Trade Ray Rice... Hear me out for a second

[TT_05_Stang]

What are you people smoking?

 

My tires flat... guess I need to get rid of the lambo engine!

 

Do you see how much Peirce and RR have to hesitate? There is no holes for them to run through... Our Lines are absolutely absurd... Honey Boo Boo is wrecking our lines... 

 

There is no excitement in our lines, no movement, Joe is being hurried/sacked, RR and Peirce are being tackled behind the line...

 

Yet we want to get rid of the lambo engine, because its not performing like it used to with a flat tire...

[jimjim5]

What are you people smoking?

 

My tires flat... guess I need to get rid of the lambo engine!

 

Do you see how much Peirce and RR have to hesitate? There is no holes for them to run through... Our Lines are absolutely absurd... Honey Boo Boo is wrecking our lines... 

 

There is no excitement in our lines, no movement, Joe is being hurried/sacked, RR and Peirce are being tackled behind the line...

 

Yet we want to get rid of the lambo engine, because its not performing like it used to with a flat tire...

 I get your point, but the other guys have a point too.

 

What if the replacement tires are worn to the steel???

 

Everything has a use-life.

[TT_05_Stang]

The Tires statement was in reference to the Line. I agree the Line needs changed... as for the Lambo Engine Ray Rice? When has he failed us to this point? Because the O-Line has been the issue all year. Sure RR had a hip injury... AP had way worse... AP is Older than RR. RR has not been hurt all the time. and until this years horrible O-Line... we were 29 and 4 when RR got 30 touches a game... This year Flacco is having to do everything and we have become a one dimensional team... easy to defend...

[GrimCoconut]

The Tires statement was in reference to the Line. I agree the Line needs changed... as for the Lambo Engine Ray Rice? When has he failed us to this point? Because the O-Line has been the issue all year. Sure RR had a hip injury... AP had way worse... AP is Older than RR. RR has not been hurt all the time. and until this years horrible O-Line... we were 29 and 4 when RR got 30 touches a game... This year Flacco is having to do everything and we have become a one dimensional team... easy to defend...

I like Rice and I doubt he goes anywhere. This topic is more hyperbole than anything and if you're sensitive to the subject I'd suggest avoiding it. Not trying to tell you what to do. Just recognizing that this isn't a popular opinion and if it understandably bothers you then just ignore it.

With that said, it's not on the OL when Rice loses his balance and falls without contact. I've seen him fall without contact going back to past year. His struggles are absolutely partially related to the OL. No question. It is, however, a mistake to assume it's all on the OL. Fwiw, I would rather change coaches before changing a player like Rice.

[TT_05_Stang]

It doesnt bother me... I am jsut trying to analyse the thinking process... which thats is what this thread is about.

 

I havnt noticed that RR had an issue with slips behind the line of scrimmage. Is this widely known? I will have to keep an eye out for this.

 

OL and DL are 80% of this teams issues.

 

Facts are Facts...

 

Playoffs last year, but also during the year...

1. How many times was Joe hurried?

2. How many times was he sacked?

3. How many yards did RR and Peirce make?

 

The first two items in that list corresponds greatly with #3... as it shows who is dominating the line of scrimmage. Just some numbers but the first two numbers have over doubled by this time last year, and the last item(running yards) has declined tremendously...

 

Just for reference... Joe's been sacked 20 times so far this season. He was sacked 35 times throughout the entire season and playoffs... He was hurried less than 15 snaps a game in 2012 playoffs. He is hurried this year over 70% of the time(pulling that number from the hip)... Those numbers dont lie... The line of scrimmage is being dominated by the opponent...

[billick]

Trade him for Boldin.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Pierce and Rice both had great years last year.

 

Pierce and Rice have both had a horrendous year so far.

 

I don't think they are the problem.

[balimore]

He is still a top ten rb. Bernard pierce is also not running well, it's our line that got our rbs scared to shoot the gaps. If there are any. And our predictable play calling is not helping at all. 

 

I'm a Ray Rice fan till my man retires. He has done so much not only for the Ravens, but more importantly he has done so much outside the game. He has been getting a lot of undeserved hate this season from some people.

[Guest RBates]

What are you people smoking?

 

My tires flat... guess I need to get rid of the lambo engine!

 

Do you see how much Peirce and RR have to hesitate? There is no holes for them to run through... Our Lines are absolutely absurd... Honey Boo Boo is wrecking our lines... 

 

There is no excitement in our lines, no movement, Joe is being hurried/sacked, RR and Peirce are being tackled behind the line...

 

Yet we want to get rid of the lambo engine, because its not performing like it used to with a flat tire...

Lmao You are so right. 

[Guest RBates]

RR is more valuable than some think. He'll get straight and be a beast after the bye.

You are right. Pierce is always nicked and it seems that he will never be an every down 

I can't wait.  I think we will see Rice of old very soon.  Pierce may be able to be an every down back he needs to improve in the passing game though. 

[flynismo]

I can't wait. I think we will see Rice of old very soon. Pierce may be able to be an every down back he needs to improve in the passing game though.

What makes you say that about Rice? Did I miss something, or is this just hopeful thinking (not that there is anything wrong with that)?

Pierce, I'm more worried about bringing him along as a pass blocker. I've always thought of him as a McGahee clone...which is a good thing, before anyone gets the wrong idea.

[Guest RBates]

What makes you say that about Rice? Did I miss something, or is this just hopeful thinking (not that there is anything wrong with that)?

Pierce, I'm more worried about bringing him along as a pass blocker. I've always thought of him as a McGahee clone...which is a good thing, before anyone gets the wrong idea.

I feel like the offense as a whole made strides in Pitt.  I like some of the things we are doing late in games. Rice trucking people was my first indication that he will return to form.  We just need to open up the playbook early and keep the defense guessing.

Flacco looked pretty good last game other than the miss on the Jacoby throw i can't think of another negative play.

 

 Look if I'm optimistic about what I'm seeing in Flacco and the Ravens offense, everyone should be on board. Lord knows, I have been critical of that unit since day one.  

 

Pierce is a good back.  Much like Mcgahee.  I think he has potential to be a lot better than him though. 

[izvoodoo]

What makes you say that about Rice? Did I miss something, or is this just hopeful thinking (not that there is anything wrong with that)?

Pierce, I'm more worried about bringing him along as a pass blocker. I've always thought of him as a McGahee clone...which is a good thing, before anyone gets the wrong idea.

That one cut and go style.

[flynismo]

Look if I'm optimistic about what I'm seeing in Flacco and the Ravens offense, everyone should be on board.

Lol, good point! I'm on the train with ya

[gabefergy]

Outside of the obvious contract issues, we have zero depth at RB!

I doubt there is much of a market for him considering his recent play. Although I will say, I think he showed some signs of life last week. We really need him if there is any hope to turn the season around.

[GrimCoconut]

Watch Ray Rice go into beast mode after the bye and make us all look stupid lol.

[Purple Punishment]

What value would Rice have on the market?

Teams are seeing a complete free fall in his production. Do you think they are going to give a high or a couple of high draft picks to us as a roll of the dice? I don't think so at all. We are stuck with him so let's hope he can turn it around.

[flynismo]

Watch Ray Rice go into beast mode after the bye and make us all look stupid lol.

Let's hope.

For the record, I think this bye week will do him a world of good. It is very obvious that his hip is a big reason for his play this year.

[flynismo]

That one cut and go style.

Not just that, similar size and build, usually very good at finding and hitting small holes for positive gains, and just a lot stronger than you'd think. Not a guy you'll bring down with arm tackles, that's for sure

[T3hRaven]

Apparently Tomlinson agreed with Cosell about Ray Rice losing his balance and the best days of Rice being behind him.  This contract is going to come back to bite us in the rear.

[flynismo]

Apparently Tomlinson agreed with Cosell about Ray Rice losing his balance and the best days of Rice being behind him. This contract is going to come back to bite us in the rear.

Like yourself, I have never been sold on Rice being a top of the line pure running back. As a dual threat, he is probably the best in the game, but as a pure runner, he's always been very good, not a top 3 kinda guy.

That said, I could care less what they say. Rice is playing hurt. I have a feeling that he will be back to 100% after the bye, and along with some schematic changes, we will see a resurgence from Rice.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Apparently Tomlinson agreed with Cosell about Ray Rice losing his balance and the best days of Rice being behind him.  This contract is going to come back to bite us in the rear.

 

Sometimes he does look top heavy, and you can tell he doesn't have the balance he used to.

 

But I do think he becomes more like the Rice we're used to, and that his struggles were more on the line that on him individually.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

I agree with this! Trading Rice during the middle of this season I think creates more problem than it solves. After the season, anything goes.

What problem will it create ???.........No running game ??.....We already got that . Cant trade him because of the cap money we are stuck with. He is just another washed up runner who cant shed a tackle anymore. And lets be a bit realistic about this he was never a top of the line back. He was a solid back at best who has been fed the ball so many times because of the other issues we have had on offense (ie: wideouts and a complete O line etc.)

[jazz1988]

Apparently Tomlinson agreed with Cosell about Ray Rice losing his balance and the best days of Rice being behind him.  This contract is going to come back to bite us in the rear.

 

I'm not buying it . I know Cosell is respectable man when it comes to evaluating players on film but theres no way he never been wrong . 

[jimjim5]

Sometimes he does look top heavy, and you can tell he doesn't have the balance he used to.

 

But I do think he becomes more like the Rice we're used to, and that his struggles were more on the line that on him individually.

 

Look at following three pictures

 

 

2010

 

vs

 

 

 2012 - 2013 (playoffs vs. Denver)

 

 

 now - 2013

 

2008 vs 2012, and now - Those are two different physiques.

 

I think he will become that guy again if he got rid of the bulk that has made him top heavy. He is young enough to thin-out and become that monster we knew from 2008-2011. But like another poster stated, it wouldn't happen this year. However, Ray Rice can be Ray Rice of last year.

 

I guess when he became the featured back when McGahee left, he bulked up to shoulder the load. I don't know if the Ravens coaches suggested this, but I think adding that bulk took away his high-level quickness and Spiderman-like balance.

 

The Ravens seem have a lot of players change their physical makeup to "fit' a role for the team. I always wondered if this was the case for Rice, because Rice was never a great between the tackles guy. Adding strength and weight would seem logical to handle the load to run between the tackles often. However, it is darn near impossible to gain both weight and speed/quickness.

 

Funny thing is, I never noticed any other good to great RB's change their stature.

[rlh445]

Hey, I remember this thread.  Remember last year when there was a thread panning Rice, and I came in and posted some great Youtube vids of Ray and what he brought to the table when everyone was talking about him never being able to shoot through a hole, or get away from tacklers and other nonsense?  I then went on to say, 'Just watch guys, he's gonna shut you up,' and the next game was at San Diego.  He shut everyone up.  I'm still behind the man one hundred percent.  I hope Rice is reading this thread right now.

[flynismo]

Look at following three pictures



2010

vs



2012 - 2013 (playoffs vs. Denver)



now - 2013

2008 vs 2012, and now - Those are two different physiques.

I think he will become that guy again if he got rid of the bulk that has made him top heavy. He is young enough to thin-out and become that monster we knew from 2008-2011. But like another poster stated, it wouldn't happen this year. However, Ray Rice can be Ray Rice of last year.

I guess when he became the featured back when McGahee left, he bulked up to shoulder the load. I don't know if the Ravens coaches suggested this, but I think adding that bulk took away his high-level quickness and Spiderman-like balance.

The Ravens seem have a lot of players change their physical makeup to "fit' a role for the team. I always wondered if this was the case for Rice, because Rice was never a great between the tackles guy. Adding strength and weight would seem logical to handle the load to run between the tackles often. However, it is darn near impossible to gain both weight and speed/quickness.

Funny thing is, I never noticed any other good to great RB's change their stature.

The football phrase "top heavy" has nothing to do with adding half an inch to your biceps. It is a problem with the running motion. Secure the ball, and get low.

[T3hRaven]

The football phrase "top heavy" has nothing to do with adding half an inch to your biceps. It is a problem with the running motion. Secure the ball, and get low.

 

I think it was used during draft time to describe Brandon Williams since 90% of his body mass is in his arms.

 

But yeah, Rice looks like a different player this year.  And not even different from his one great season, different from his productive ones.  I hope it's just the injury, but I fear his decline is being accelerated by his lack of size and heavy workload early in his career.

[jimjim5]

The football phrase "top heavy" has nothing to do with adding half an inch to your biceps. It is a problem with the running motion. Secure the ball, and get low.

 

your wrong.

 

I think it was used during draft time to describe Brandon Williams since 90% of his body mass is in his arms.

 

But yeah, Rice looks like a different player this year.  And not even different from his one great season, different from his productive ones.  I hope it's just the injury, but I fear his decline is being accelerated by his lack of size and heavy workload early in his career.

 

Thank you.

 

The phrase "top heavy" has been around for awhile. I have never heard your description of top heavy. - Ever

 

credit to the the Free Dictionary

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/top-heavy

 

top-heav·y (tphv)

adj. top-heav·i·er, top-heav·i·est

1. Likely to topple because of an uneven distribution of weight, with the majority being at the top.

2. Accounting Overcapitalized.

3. Having a disproportionately large number of administrators.

[RavNMadMan]

Ray RIce carried the offense for years on a rookie contract, a total workhorse. Was a big player in helping us win the Superbowl last year, AFTER he got paid. This is the first year he's dealt with a significant injury, 6 years in, and he still is out there competing. But now we're ready to write him off the moment he's hit a rough patch after all he's done for us? 

 

A. I've still got faith in his work ethic, and I think he's still got productive years ahead of him. 

B. He's a fixture on this team and in the community 

C. Because of salary cap implications, he's not going anywhere, so all the speculation is a dead end! 

 

What you said.