Trade Ray Rice... Hear me out for a second

[Purple_ICE 81]

I can't deny that Rice has a critical role in our Super Bowl run. There's no question. Grubbs isn't playing bad from what I've seen. He doesn't have the best LT next to him though. No excuses. I'm not a big fan of Grubbs and meant my comment more to say I'd rather invest in the OL than a RB. I love KO and he looked dominant last year. It's a shame he is having his back issues because I believe our struggling OL is heavily his fault.

As for Ray, he hasn't been the same since last year. He has had a balance problem since last year. I've seen him lose his balance quite a bit. I think it went unnoticed because we found ways to win and the OL played better than right now. Rice is injured but his current struggles aren't necessarily new and acute but are somewhat chronic and present as far back as last year.

Rice is just having an off year...im sure he is still dealing with the hip flexor and our o-line has not helped him out one bit. Bottom line I think there is no way in hell Ozzie trades him...no Trent Richardson nonsense in Bmore,  our season aint over yet

[GrimCoconut]

Rice is just having an off year...im sure he is still dealing with the hip flexor and our o-line has not helped him out one bit. Bottom line I think there is no way in hell Ozzie trades him...no Trent Richardson nonsense in Bmore, our season aint over yet

But he had issues last year that were masked by good run blocking. I do agree that we are very very very unlikely to trade Rice right now and probably ever. Maybe you missed where I said that. I'm not being sarcastic here. I don't think we'll trade Ray. You don't trade a potentially game changing player before you try to change the schemes, coaches, etc. We've invested too much into Rice to remove him now. That's a last resort.

[TDubbs]

Ray RIce carried the offense for years on a rookie contract, a total workhorse. Was a big player in helping us win the Superbowl last year, AFTER he got paid. This is the first year he's dealt with a significant injury, 6 years in, and he still is out there competing. But now we're ready to write him off the moment he's hit a rough patch after all he's done for us? 

 

A. I've still got faith in his work ethic, and I think he's still got productive years ahead of him. 

B. He's a fixture on this team and in the community 

C. Because of salary cap implications, he's not going anywhere, so all the speculation is a dead end! 

[jimjim5]

Rice is just having an off year...im sure he is still dealing with the hip flexor and our o-line has not helped him out one bit. Bottom line I think there is no way in hell Ozzie trades him...no Trent Richardson nonsense in Bmore,  our season aint over yet

 

My opinion and my OPINION only..... back me up if you wish.

 

Rice is having an off year because he decided to change his physical makeup.

 

He got stronger two years ago, but he lost speed, quickness, and lateral quickness as a result. He went to the same school of thought as Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Dawan Landry when they fell in love with the weights and got slow. It wasn't a huge deal the last two years because the team was stacked. This made up for any player's deficiencies (speed).

 

And, with respect to Rice, he was on top of his strength training (or so it seemed from his physique). however, lost his quickness. This is why Pierce looked so explosive compared to Rice last year. Funny thing is, look at how Pierce has lost that gear or explosive look after gaining 10 pounds of muscle.

 

This opinion is based on what I see. I am not sure if I could say it's empiracal evidence, but you can learn a lot by watching and experience. I know for fact, when I gained too much muscle combined with weight, I lost a bit of quickness. The strength felt good, be it left me missing my physical gift of quickness. When I stopped putting a full effort to nutrition and lifting, I GOT SOFT and little nagging pains. Rice LOOKS soft and not chiseled to me. I think he didn't go hard with his strength and/or nutrition in the off-season. I think he is paying for this now.

 

I just think Rice has to much weight on his frame.

 

 

just my two cents..

[easternshore97]

Nope. I think it's too early to give up on Gino and even then I wouldn't spend a first round pick on any center in this class. Go look at my post in the draft forum called My Top 5. You'll see pretty much who I would take.

I know I know...I was just saying C in general. Didn't mean to infer you were giving up on him. I thought that was the one to highlight because everyone else would flip if I said RG, LT, LG or even RT for that matter since Wagner would appear to be the incumbent

[TimeEdReed]

If they put on muscle on purpose then why are they dancing around in the backfield so much instead of just making one cut and then hitting whatever's there? That's how Lynch runs, and I wish we had someone that looked like him at this point.

[Brandon22]

I agree with you and think we should get some high picks and the cowboys are in the market for a RB so here is our chance

[jazz1988]

If nobody notice that Ray Rice look alot better last nite than I dont know what to tell you but to say I can't wait until he gets alot more healthy so he can shut up the people who keep saying he's declining .

[RedFire]

Ray RIce carried the offense for years on a rookie contract, a total workhorse. Was a big player in helping us win the Superbowl last year, AFTER he got paid. This is the first year he's dealt with a significant injury, 6 years in, and he still is out there competing. But now we're ready to write him off the moment he's hit a rough patch after all he's done for us?

A. I've still got faith in his work ethic, and I think he's still got productive years ahead of him.
B. He's a fixture on this team and in the community
C. Because of salary cap implications, he's not going anywhere, so all the speculation is a dead end!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

Just because we owe a bonus you wouldn't take two first rounders from a team and then some for Ray Rice.

I dunno how you pass up a Herschel Walker type offer when we can possibly get his value and then some for cheap in the long run?

[TimeEdReed]

The Ravens won't do it.  If there's one thing they've proven as an organization, they are way too loyal to players that are expendable.  If the player is a fan and media favorite.... they are staying.

 

I'm sorry but what are you talking about???? Ed Reed? JJ? Ellerbee? Pollard? Boldin? Heap? Mason? Kruger? We sent the franchise's all time leading rusher to a division rival, when has Ozzie ever let emotions reign over business?

[TimeEdReed]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

Just because we owe a bonus you wouldn't take two first rounders from a team and then some for Ray Rice.

I dunno how you pass up a Herschel Walker type offer when we can possibly get his value and then some for cheap in the long run?

 

If there's a team out there who's insane enough to make that offer for an aging RB, sure. I don't see it happening. We can't do anything this year at RB except add more anyway, we are already dangerously thin.

[berad]

 
My opinion and my OPINION only..... back me up if you wish.
 
Rice is having an off year because he decided to change his physical makeup.
 
He got stronger two years ago, but he lost speed, quickness, and lateral quickness as a result. He went to the same school of thought as Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Dawan Landry when they fell in love with the weights and got slow. It wasn't a huge deal the last two years because the team was stacked. This made up for any player's deficiencies (speed).
 
And, with respect to Rice, he was on top of his strength training (or so it seemed from his physique). however, lost his quickness. This is why Pierce looked so explosive compared to Rice last year. Funny thing is, look at how Pierce has lost that gear or explosive look after gaining 10 pounds of muscle.
 
This opinion is based on what I see. I am not sure if I could say it's empiracal evidence, but you can learn a lot by watching and experience. I know for fact, when I gained too much muscle combined with weight, I lost a bit of quickness. The strength felt good, be it left me missing my physical gift of quickness. When I stopped putting a full effort to nutrition and lifting, I GOT SOFT and little nagging pains. Rice LOOKS soft and not chiseled to me. I think he didn't go hard with his strength and/or nutrition in the off-season. I think he is paying for this now.
 
I just think Rice has to much weight on his frame.
 
 
just my two cents..

Pierce was himself until he hurt his leg against the Bucs in the preseason. He's probably still nursing it to some extent.

[PurpleCityLights]

Bernard got his knee injury in college ........

[codizzle]

Hashtag Madden

[HoldingCall]

Obviously trading him in the middle of this season is out of the question. But moving on from him next year is perhaps a different story. I don't know how his contract works or what we'd have to do but I can't imagine he's going to be worth the money for three more seasons. He'd really have to turn it on and blow everyone's doors off the remainder of this year to change my mind. Best case scenario I guess would be drafting a RB of the future and reducing Rice's carries with a three headed attack, as well as using him more in the passing game than as a pure runner.

I agree with this! Trading Rice during the middle of this season I think creates more problem than it solves. After the season, anything goes.

[HoldingCall]

 
My opinion and my OPINION only..... back me up if you wish.
 
Rice is having an off year because he decided to change his physical makeup.
 
He got stronger two years ago, but he lost speed, quickness, and lateral quickness as a result. He went to the same school of thought as Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Dawan Landry when they fell in love with the weights and got slow. It wasn't a huge deal the last two years because the team was stacked. This made up for any player's deficiencies (speed).
 
And, with respect to Rice, he was on top of his strength training (or so it seemed from his physique). however, lost his quickness. This is why Pierce looked so explosive compared to Rice last year. Funny thing is, look at how Pierce has lost that gear or explosive look after gaining 10 pounds of muscle.
 
This opinion is based on what I see. I am not sure if I could say it's empiracal evidence, but you can learn a lot by watching and experience. I know for fact, when I gained too much muscle combined with weight, I lost a bit of quickness. The strength felt good, be it left me missing my physical gift of quickness. When I stopped putting a full effort to nutrition and lifting, I GOT SOFT and little nagging pains. Rice LOOKS soft and not chiseled to me. I think he didn't go hard with his strength and/or nutrition in the off-season. I think he is paying for this now.
 
I just think Rice has to much weight on his frame.
 
 
just my two cents..

I have wondered the same because I know weights can do this if overdone, but I have no way of knowing whether this is indeed his case. If that is the problem it could affect him for a year.

[ravensfan520]

Re sign Berry cut somebody that plays special teams only... berry can be a third back in case our backs just aren't healthy. It won't cost a lot and he can play special teams as well... plus he knows this offense even though it not great right now he knows the system.

[easternshore97]

I wonder if Pats fans have started the same thread on Tom Brady

 

Heard a stat today that his been +60% pass completion his entire career but this year he's at 55%

[easternshore97]

 

My opinion and my OPINION only..... back me up if you wish.

 

Rice is having an off year because he decided to change his physical makeup.

 

He got stronger two years ago, but he lost speed, quickness, and lateral quickness as a result. He went to the same school of thought as Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Dawan Landry when they fell in love with the weights and got slow. It wasn't a huge deal the last two years because the team was stacked. This made up for any player's deficiencies (speed).

 

And, with respect to Rice, he was on top of his strength training (or so it seemed from his physique). however, lost his quickness. This is why Pierce looked so explosive compared to Rice last year. Funny thing is, look at how Pierce has lost that gear or explosive look after gaining 10 pounds of muscle.

 

This opinion is based on what I see. I am not sure if I could say it's empiracal evidence, but you can learn a lot by watching and experience. I know for fact, when I gained too much muscle combined with weight, I lost a bit of quickness. The strength felt good, be it left me missing my physical gift of quickness. When I stopped putting a full effort to nutrition and lifting, I GOT SOFT and little nagging pains. Rice LOOKS soft and not chiseled to me. I think he didn't go hard with his strength and/or nutrition in the off-season. I think he is paying for this now.

 

I just think Rice has to much weight on his frame.

 

 

just my two cents..

I actually noticed how wide he was after the Mile HIgh Miracle in Denver. You might be right that it is having some affect. Maybe dropping 10 or 12 pounds could do him some good.

 

The thing is if he does drop that weight, Ravens gotta think about taking away some touches so he doesn't get too beat up.

 

The guy is 26 though, and the offensive line or the offensive line scheme has not been optimal

[jimjim5]

Re sign Berry cut somebody that plays special teams only... berry can be a third back in case our backs just aren't healthy. It won't cost a lot and he can play special teams as well... plus he knows this offense even though it not great right now he knows the system.

 

Thats a good idea. Biggest roster mistake was carrying two fullbacks. The roster didn't need K Juice. It needed three running backs. the third runningback would be fast or big and good special teamer.

 

Sounds like Antony Allen fits too... hmmm.

[ROH522155]

Im just saying, its better to not be so emotionally attached to people and know that everyone, sadly including joe, should be expendable.. thats how good teams stay good..

 

ex. see heap, reed, o. brown, ellerbe, kruger

 

Sorry but the franchise quarterback is not expendable. 

 

I see what you're saying though.

[TDubbs]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

Just because we owe a bonus you wouldn't take two first rounders from a team and then some for Ray Rice.

I dunno how you pass up a Herschel Walker type offer when we can possibly get his value and then some for cheap in the long run?

 

That type of trade would be a no brainer. But that was when RB's were valued much more. We'd get a single 1st for Rice and that's about it, which isn't worth it unless it was a Top 15 pick. 

[ravensfan520]

Thats a good idea. Biggest roster mistake was carrying two fullbacks. The roster didn't need K Juice. It needed three running backs. the third runningback would be fast or big and good special teamer.

Sounds like Antony Allen fits too... hmmm.

Allen wouldn't be a bad pick either... I am a fan of Berry since the "U". Berry was recruited as a DB so he would be a great pick up on special teams and is a good runner.

[ravensfan520]

That type of trade would be a no brainer. But that was when RB's were valued much more. We'd get a single 1st for Rice and that's about it, which isn't worth it unless it was a Top 15 pick.

Next year the trade would be worth it.. a first and maybe a late round pick... but not now in the middle of the season.

[Sami84]

i dont think rayrice will fetch more then a 3rd round pick.

[PurpleCityLights]

doesn't matter who we have running the ball if the O-line's not fixed.

[Guest RBates]

SMH and then were would our check down be. Pierce is hurt almost every game.  Are you kidding me.  Good running backs are not a dime a dozen.  There are a few elite backs and then every body else. 

[Tank 92]

SMH and then were would our check down be. Pierce is hurt almost every game.  Are you kidding me.  Good running backs are not a dime a dozen.  There are a few elite backs and then every body else.

RR is more valuable than some think. He'll get straight and be a beast after the bye.

You are right. Pierce is always nicked and it seems that he will never be an every down RB.

[billick]

^{Ray Rice is not going anyplace.}

[flynismo]

When I suggested this two years ago, people said it was absolutely the most ridiculous thing ever. So I don't expect you to get any better of a response.

His value is already diminishing. Returns on RBs just won't be that good. Everyone is already laughing at Indianapolis for what they gave up for Richardson.

The Ravens won't do it. If there's one thing they've proven as an organization, they are way too loyal to players that are expendable. If the player is a fan and media favorite.... they are staying.

But one thing they could do is get rid of all the fullbacks. This team/staff just doesn't know how to use them, and it's a waste of a spot on the field. That's killing the run game more than anything else. It's a clear signal where the run is going. And the backs aren't using the FB effectively. No defense respects Flacco or the passing game... so they clog the middle up close to the line.

Getting rid of the fullback and putting in another receivers at least thins the defense out slightly, giving more room for a single back set to find some holes.

They might also force Flacco to watch/practice some play action fakes that actually resemble a handoff. You know, so the defense actually pauses for a second to find the ball.

Two things:

1. Two years ago, we felt we got a great deal. I felt then the same I do now -- four years was too long a contract for a RB with so much mileage (Rutgers ran him to the ground as well). I wanted to see a three year deal, and more cap friendly in case things turned out the way it has now.

2. Flacco has the worst PA moves I've ever seen.