The official ____, sucks, cut____, melt thread - Week 7

[PurpleCityLights]

Oh, you're a stat guy. Based on your comment, there is 99.1 % probability that you've never played the game. Like that??

The game is based on matchups, (athelic advantage) and skill. Probability, is a small part of the game. Metrics should not be the end-all-be-all for governing situational football; nor should emotion.

Logic rules, not probability. That is where Harbs has failed in his decision making process.

Talk to em Jim!!!!

[jimjim5]

...99.1% probability he's never played football? From where did that come? You don't know that.

 

I pulled out my comment probability card. It told me what percentage of former players vs non-players vs casual fans believe that Harbs made "smart football decisions" in his last couple of games.

 

Hyberbole, if you will, but not really.

[The Raven]

Ya know what's sad? All of Ozzie's moves seem to have worked out. The players we lost were adequately replaced. And we're still struggling. Sucks!

[jimjim5]

Ya know what's sad? All of Ozzie's moves seem to have worked out. The players we lost were adequately replaced. And we're still struggling. Sucks!

 

Except Micheal Huff and Boldin. If the FO has a part in final cuts, getting rid of Laquan Williams, Antony Allen were decisions which I think weakened the roster.

 

We could have lived without Spears and Huff to keep Boldin.

[izvoodoo]

Except Micheal Huff and Boldin. If the FO has a part in final cuts, getting rid of Laquan Williams, Antony Allen were decisions which I think weakened the roster.

 

We could have lived without Spears and Huff to keep Boldin.

Spears and Huff hardly count against the cap.  More likely it'd keep Canty and Dumerville from being on the team.

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

You know which player I'm starting to lose hope in? Kyle Juszczyk...

 

Yeah, granted; Juice is considered more of a "project" than anything else, at the moment. But, he's said to be way too small to be a tight end in the pros and just too slow to be a h-back in the NFL. So, honestly, it's assumed he will be the team's fullback, once Leach is gone.

 

However, I just feel the Ravens are wasting a roster spot with Juice. The only playing time Kyle has gotten has been on special teams and, from what I've seen, he's slow and terrible to set-up blocks for Jacoby Jones. By the time J.J. hits his stride, Juszczyk has barely found an opposing player to get in front of. Juice's spot on special teams use to be Anthony Allen's; and, while A.A wasn't capable of doing anything else, Allen was unappreciated when it came to special teams. Sure, special team players are a dime-a-dozen and they come-and-go; yet, certain players do a better job at.

 

I don't know, though, with Juice. Harbaugh keeps saying the team is trying to fit Kyle into the offense. I just don't see it happening, this season. Plus, it's the idea of keeping a 4th-round, rookie fullback for the future on the this year's roster that is just puzzling. We better hope this team still uses a fullback, down the road, seeing how this year's squad hasn't used Vonta Leach that much as a FB. How embarrassing it would have been to draft a fullback, in the fourth round, and not even use him.

[flynismo]

You know which player I'm starting to lose hope in? Kyle Juszczyk...

Yeah, granted; Juice is considered more of a "project" than anything else, at the moment. But, he's said to be way too small to be a tight end in the pros and just too slow to be a h-back in the NFL. So, honestly, it's assumed he will be the team's fullback, once Leach is gone.

However, I just feel the Ravens are wasting a roster spot with Juice. The only playing time Kyle has gotten has been on special teams and, from what I've seen, he's slow and terrible to set-up blocks for Jacoby Jones. By the time J.J. hits his stride, Juszczyk has barely found an opposing player to get in front of. Juice's spot on special teams use to be Anthony Allen's; and, while A.A wasn't capable of doing anything else, Allen was unappreciated when it came to special teams. Sure, special team players are a dime-a-dozen and they come-and-go; yet, certain players do a better job at.

I don't know, though, with Juice. Harbaugh keeps saying the team is trying to fit Kyle into the offense. I just don't see it happening, this season. Plus, it's the idea of keeping a 4th-round, rookie fullback for the future on the this year's roster that is just puzzling. We better hope this team still uses a fullback, down the road, seeing how this year's squad hasn't used Vonta Leach that much as a FB. How embarrassing it would have been to draft a fullback, in the fourth round, and not even use him.

All these issues we are having and you are concerned about Juice, lol...cut him slack for this season, we knew from the start that he wouldn't have a big role this year. His invisibility is a scheme/opportunity thing. I'm sure next season we will start phasing him into the offense

[The Raven]

You know which player I'm starting to lose hope in? Kyle Juszczyk...

 

Yeah, granted; Juice is considered more of a "project" than anything else, at the moment. But, he's said to be way too small to be a tight end in the pros and just too slow to be a h-back in the NFL. So, honestly, it's assumed he will be the team's fullback, once Leach is gone.

 

However, I just feel the Ravens are wasting a roster spot with Juice. The only playing time Kyle has gotten has been on special teams and, from what I've seen, he's slow and terrible to set-up blocks for Jacoby Jones. By the time J.J. hits his stride, Juszczyk has barely found an opposing player to get in front of. Juice's spot on special teams use to be Anthony Allen's; and, while A.A wasn't capable of doing anything else, Allen was unappreciated when it came to special teams. Sure, special team players are a dime-a-dozen and they come-and-go; yet, certain players do a better job at.

 

I don't know, though, with Juice. Harbaugh keeps saying the team is trying to fit Kyle into the offense. I just don't see it happening, this season. Plus, it's the idea of keeping a 4th-round, rookie fullback for the future on the this year's roster that is just puzzling. We better hope this team still uses a fullback, down the road, seeing how this year's squad hasn't used Vonta Leach that much as a FB. How embarrassing it would have been to draft a fullback, in the fourth round, and not even use him.

 

I completely disagree. Slow is not a word I'd use to describe him. Obviously, he's not a blazer, but this dude has some athleticism. Also, you're incorrect in saying that he's terrible in setting up blocks. He's actually been pretty good at that. Once he gets acclimated to the NFL and on to the field, he'll be good to go.

 

Smh... Losing hope in a rookie player that hasn't had a chance to see the field.

[billick]

Kyle Juszczyk...

 

 

4th round picks are special team players. The fans on this board said he would " be doing it all ".

 

Don't blame him. I got sick of the hype a long time ago.

[H8ME]

Hmm let's take this one by one.  Harbs took over a team that was 5-11 the year prior.  Oh yea, they were knocking down the door to the Super Bowl right?  Harbs took over a team where every big star thought they were the bees knees, had no discipline and the entire locker room was literally divided (I'm sure you weren't a fan then, but the locker room was split: the defense on one side and the offense on the other.  Harbs changed that immediately, for the better).   Harbaugh had to walk into the Castle as a rookie head coach with every big personality and jerk (McAllister, looking at you) all testing him and he made big changes and brought mostly everyone together.  Oh yea and he went to the AFCCG his first year.  With a rookie QB and a rookie RB.  For the first time in NFL history.  

 

On and on it goes, every year something happens to this team, like the year we were literally starting almost all second/third stringers on defense for over half the year because we had so many injuries.  I'm sure you weren't a fan then, but it was pretty amazing the way John duct taped this team together.  Every interview from the players had nothing but high praise.  This wasn't just lip service;  John has EARNED the respect of his players and they him.  He's had to play his brother twice; before both games everyone liked to say they'd rather have Jim anyway because of his, 'fire'....nobody said that after two straight losses to John, one for a Super Bowl.  Last year the team had lost a bunch of games and got super angry at each other and John.  He weathered the storm, because he's a great coach and we won the Super Bowl.  I'm sure you weren't a fan until after we won, but that's just a short, short summary of how I've seen John progress as a coach.  

 

I'm sure you're unaware, but there's this thing called, 'networking,'.  It's where people in a position to get people they know and trust to work with them because trust is important in any job, no less so than a football organization.  Do you just randomly put your finger in a phone book and pick out a doctor, or do you ask friends and family who THEY go to so you can get a better bead on how to proceed?  You're probably having trouble figuring out where I'm going with this, I apologize.  You're hiring a babysitter.  Do you get one off the street, one you've heard some good things about or a person you know?  Who do you trust most with your kids?  I hope you have a better understanding of how every.  Single.  Coach. In the league.  Conducts business.

 

Oh yea and Mattison?  In 2008 we were the second ranked defense.  IN 2009 we were the third ranked defense.  In 2010 we were the 10th ranked.  Oh yea and that was with Carr and Williams starting as it was the aforementioned year with all of our injuries.  Oh yea, and 'Ruki at starting SS.  Good times though, right?  Yea, Mattison was awful.

 

What I've just written out is the truth, guy.  If you think the problem with this team is, 'familly friends,' than what happened last year?  What happened in 2008, 2011 and 2012 (I'm sure you don't know, but we went to the AFCCG in those years)?  What's happened for the past five years when we've made the playoffs and won at least one playoff game each year?  Mike Tomlin is a good coach.  John Harbaugh is a good coach.  Bad head coaches flame out in a hurry (Cam) and good head coaches take the slow burn approach (Andy Reid) but NO head coach 'lucks' his way into a Super Bowl victory.  There's too much time, there's too much turmoil and there's too much a head coach has to do to GET to that position for some smarmy message board warrior to come along and attempt to snatch it away with some pithy little sayings about, 'luck, or trying to convince anyone that a single player (even Ray Lewis) was the ONLY reason we did anything.  It's ridiculous, it's insulting and quite frankly if I were you, I'd be really embarrassed.

 

Never knew a message board 'warrior' had that much power.  Frankly, YOU should be embarrassed by that juvenile statement.  Furthermore, what a message board 'warrior' does have the power to do is.....participate in this forum and type their opinion(s).  And you are allowed to type your ramblings too.

 

Did you not know that?

[The Raven]

Never knew a message board 'warrior' had that much power.  Frankly, YOU should be embarrassed by that juvenile statement.  Furthermore, what a message board 'warrior' does have the power to do is.....participate in this forum and type their opinion(s).  And you are allowed to type your ramblings too.

 

Did you not know that?

 

So instead of making a logical counter-argument, you just go for a personal attack that isn't even relevant.

[flynismo]

So instead of making a logical counter-argument, you just go for a personal attack that isn't even relevant.

Look around you...it's par for course around here.
I understand that the site administrators want a clean and cordial message board, and I understand why they get on my case sometimes, because I am guilty of the occasional personal attack as well, but geez...can we also establish a reasonable and intelligent community?

[jimjim5]

Kyle Juszczyk...

 

 

4th round picks are special team players. The fans on this board said he would " be doing it all ".

 

Don't blame him. I got sick of the hype a long time ago.

 

I see that, but the desparate Ravens coaches tried to put him in the lineup a game or two ago.

 

I have always looked at this dude as a big drafting mistake. Leach being re-signed proves that to me.

[The Raven]

Look around you...it's par for course around here.

 

I know I've made my fair share of personal attacks, but that's only after someone proves incapable of intelligent discourse.

[flynismo]

I know I've made my fair share of personal attacks, but that's only after someone proves incapable of intelligent discourse.

I wasn't directing my comment towards you, fyi, and edited it to reflect that.

[The Raven]

I wasn't directing my comment towards you, fyi, and edited it to reflect that.

 

Yeah, I gotcha man.

 

I mean, is a little bit of reason too much to ask?

[dirtybird10]

I completely disagree. Slow is not a word I'd use to describe him. Obviously, he's not a blazer, but this dude has some athleticism. Also, you're incorrect in saying that he's terrible in setting up blocks. He's actually been pretty good at that. Once he gets acclimated to the NFL and on to the field, he'll be good to go.

 

Smh... Losing hope in a rookie player that hasn't had a chance to see the field.

Not to mention I have seen a lot of special teams plays with Juice involved. To me nothing I have seen is really encouraging or discouraging. I don't know why we moved up to get him, but I'll leave that to Ozzie and coaches who must see much more than we do. 

[CalvinSmoke]

I am excited for John Simon though

[Tank 92]

That was a great show of offence during our playoff run, wish we could return to playing like that....

 

 

I think we will soon be much better.   Patience..............

[Ravenseconbeast]

Hope Simon rise to the challenge and get into a starting role.   It'll b disappointing if his on the same role as a depth ST next year...

[rmw10]

Hope Simon rise to the challenge and get into a starting role.   It'll b disappointing if his on the same role as a depth ST next year...

 

Simon's not going to be starting any time soon.  Suggs, Dumervil, and Upshaw are all above him and will remain that way.  Simon doesn't cover near well enough to start.  If he gets to play on defense, it's going to be as a situational pass rusher.

[Ravenseconbeast]

So instead of making a logical counter-argument, you just go for a personal attack that isn't even relevant.

 

Talk about irony.

 

Personal attack is something you do 24/7 on this forum.   You need to learn to shut it sometimes.  

[billick]

I was told Juice could do it all, many times. On this board. HHMMMMMM?

[berad]

24 hour rule is up and this thread has become more about griping about others than about the team's performance