Awful offensive line

[BMORE_96]

Our O-line has arguably been our worst unit on the team over the past two games. With two stud rbs, we are not able to get them decent holes, not great. Just decent.

 

Mckinnie still cant run block, which is why we will draft a left tackle high next year.

 

Osemele has underwhelmed after extreme offseason expectations including a pro bowl berth

 

Gino is not very good in pass pro or run protection. He is at best average so far.

 

Yanda is Yanda.

 

Oher has done alright in pass protection from what ive seen, shut down kruger. but no push in run game.

 

With our neutered passing game, we need this run game and the o line to go with it. This is where next game lies as well with JJ Watt

 

the addition of gino should not have had such a drastic effect on a o line that won a super bowl last year.

 

what happened?

[Poes Crows]

Our O-line has arguably been our worst unit on the team over the past two games. With two stud rbs, we are not able to get them decent holes, not great. Just decent.

 

Mckinnie still cant run block, which is why we will draft a left tackle high next year.

 

Osemele has underwhelmed after extreme offseason expectations including a pro bowl berth

 

Gino is not very good in pass pro or run protection. He is at best average so far.

 

Yanda is Yanda.

 

Oher has done alright in pass protection from what ive seen, shut down kruger. but no push in run game.

 

With our neutered passing game, we need this run game and the o line to go with it. This is where next game lies as well with JJ Watt

 

the addition of gino should not have had such a drastic effect on a o line that won a super bowl last year.

 

what happened?

 

Our O-Line has been mediocre in opening holes for the Run for some time.  It did provide some time for Flacco when Joe had his Possession Receivers in the lineup.

 

The Truth about the 2012 Ravens is that they were a delicate balance of skill and strength and that chemistry was altered in the post season.

[Guest RBates]

I absolutely hate the zone blocking we are doing.  Could Gino on the line make that much of a difference?  I doubt it.  It has to be the scheme because all of a sudden K.O  is getting beat as well.

[The Raven]

I absolutely hate the zone blocking we are doing.  Could Gino on the line make that much of a difference?  I doubt it.  It has to be the scheme because all of a sudden K.O  is getting beat as well.

 

Gino can't make this much of a difference. Gino isn't the one that makes McKinnie and Oher mediocre run blockers. The only things I'll blame on Gino are the protection calls and his own shoddy run blocking.

 

Interestingly, his pass blocking has been fine, aside from his protection calls. 

 

And yes, I know I've been extremely vocal about it, but I despise the ZBS with our players. 

[ravensfan160]

Disastrous is a bit strong don't you think? If you want disastrous look at the Steelers. I would say our o-line has underperformed but still played okay. Our offense as a whole has been pretty solid considering all the turnover. What we did against Denver looks really good when you consider what the Giants did and against Cleveland we would have put up 28 points on a really good defense if not for two dropped touchdowns.

[dirtybird10]

I wouldn't say disasterous but it has not been good. However, one has to realize that we just played two really good defenses. The Browns are the browns but they have some stout guys up front, and its not going to get much better Sunday against Houston.

[jimmypowder]

Who's the new oline coach that was supposed to be so good ? Haven't seen his supposed skill reflected in the Oline play at this juncture .

[Edgar]

Disastrous is a bit strong don't you think? If you want disastrous look at the Steelers. I would say our o-line has underperformed but still played okay. Our offense as a whole has been pretty solid considering all the turnover. What we did against Denver looks really good when you consider what the Giants did and against Cleveland we would have put up 28 points on a really good defense if not for two dropped touchdowns.

It has the potential to be a disaster going forward. If we can't routinely gain positive yards (one or two even) and plays are being blown up before they start, it will have a domino effect on the passing game and that will be a disaster waiting to happen.

 I do have a sense that Gino will improve and the line as a whole will improve. It will have to. It is the key. We have to make people respect the run, obviously.

[ellicottraven]

I think you are overreacting a little! Our O-line hasn't performed great but will start getting better as the season rolls on. Relax.

[izvoodoo]

I feel like saying our Oline is disastrous is pretty disrespectful to the disastrous olines in the league. Pittsburg is disastrous.  Our Oline is just mediocore.  

[Cawtious]

Help is healing up right now.  Hopefully by the Miami game one aggressive and flat out mean C/G will be ready to help out.  

 

One thing that is huge for an O-LINE is the chemistry and ability to move with fluidity and footwork without getting in each other's way.  Timing is everything when it comes to run blocking.  The unit needs to stabilize and work on their timing.  Calling out accurate defensive schemes is hugely important and that takes time and experience.  Gino has to keep working hard on that part of his game.  

 

The other thing is see is guys pushing defenders back and then releasing them.  They need to stick to their blocks and drive their man out of the hole and prevent them from being able to bounce off the block and engage the RB.  Pancake them!   

[Ravenseconbeast]

GIno has to learn how to get better @ run offense.   The guy isn't punching a lot of holes in the middle for our RBs

[PolishRifle]

The pass protection is decent. Joe had enough time to complete passes in the second half of the game against the Browns, who have a really good Dline.

 

The run blocking sucks. That's the issue. Disastrous is a bit harsh. I still believe, that this unit can get it together. There were some nice flashes, but we have to see that more consistently.

[H8R]

Honestly... Yanda hasn't been dominate either . I like his nastiness but he's been beat on more then a few occasions.

[GTRavens]

Two games.

[T3hRaven]

Honestly... Yanda hasn't been dominate either . I like his nastiness but he's been beat on more then a few occasions.

His individual grade is fine, unless you've done some deep film study it's possible the stink of the line play in general might be affecting how Yanda 'looks'.

[The Raven]

Yanda's gotten beat a few times, and I know some of you have grown tired of this excuse, but it's the ZBS.

 

A way to beat the ZBS is to have your linemen just shoot through the line and get penetration. The reason this is so effective is that in the scheme, the first step an offensive guard take on the outside stretch is backwards, in what is known as the "bucket step."  When the guard steps back and the three tech just shoots off, it's not easy for the guard to recover to seal his man off. This has happened to Yanda quite a few times between this year and last, but it happens a lot in this scheme. I've seen it happen against Houston too.  It doesn't happen to Yanda enough to worry. 

[H8R]

Yanda's gotten beat a few times, and I know some of you have grown tired of this excuse, but it's the ZBS.

A way to beat the ZBS is to have your linemen just shoot through the line and get penetration. The reason this is so effective is that in the scheme, the first step an offensive guard take on the outside stretch is backwards, in what is known as the "bucket step." When the guard steps back and the three tech just shoots off, it's not easy for the guard to recover to seal his man off. This has happened to Yanda quite a few times between this year and last, but it happens a lot in this scheme. I've seen it happen against Houston too. It doesn't happen to Yanda enough to worry.

Maybe so, he just doesn't seem to be as strong in years past maybe he's still coming back from the shoulder

[BloodRaven]

Two games.

 

Well said.

 

Yanda's gotten beat a few times, and I know some of you have grown tired of this excuse, but it's the ZBS.

 

A way to beat the ZBS is to have your linemen just shoot through the line and get penetration. The reason this is so effective is that in the scheme, the first step an offensive guard take on the outside stretch is backwards, in what is known as the "bucket step."  When the guard steps back and the three tech just shoots off, it's not easy for the guard to recover to seal his man off. This has happened to Yanda quite a few times between this year and last, but it happens a lot in this scheme. I've seen it happen against Houston too.  It doesn't happen to Yanda enough to worry. 

 

From what I remember (high school) the bucket step is a fast half step backwards which would square your shoulders left or right before you fire out of your stance. It always seemed stupid to me but you could make it work if you had quick feet.

[The Raven]

Well said.

 

 

From what I remember (high school) the bucket step is a fast half step backwards which would square your shoulders left or right before you fire out of your stance. It always seemed stupid to me but you could make it work if you had quick feet.

 

Different coaches have different meanings for the bucket step, and some coaches teach it differently. Some have you step deeper, and some teach shallower steps. In high school, my coach taught us to take one step so that we'd make a 135 degree angle, but here at my college, the OL coach has them take a really deep step and a shallow cross over step at times. It's all dependent on the scheme and the players I guess.

 

Regardless, it can put you at a disadvantage against a quick penetrating three tech. But, there's also not many other ways to get that guy blocked on the stretch. I'd rather have them just take a 90 step, or better yet, just call a sweep and have him pull....

[redlobster]

What effect if any, will the possibility of low blocks being banned have on ZBS for offensive lines? Obviously it is just talk but with the amount of people getting hurt from the low blocks, I would imagine a change is around the corner

[The Raven]

What effect if any, will the possibility of low blocks being banned have on ZBS for offensive lines? Obviously it is just talk but with the amount of people getting hurt from the low blocks, I would imagine a change is around the corner

 

I don't think it will affect the ZBS. Obviously, cut blocks make the scheme easier, but the scheme can still be run effectively without them.

[flaccopoe]

Yanda had a very hot-cold day.  He prevented Watt from having a monster day, but still let Watt have a lot of stuffs and shut down any openings for Pierce.  Pierce was finally able to break through on the right side in garbage time, but was otherwise eaten on the right side.  Oher did much worse against his man.  If the run game is to thrive, then they're going to have to learn to create gaps and not be pushed back.

[rmw10]

Really not a fan of the ZBS.  I think we have a better personnel for more of a power blocking scheme.

[JamesRaven]

Pass protection was overall pretty good I thought, run blocking however was awful and needs to improve.

[Static]

We have yet to play an average- to below average defense. So lets cut some slack.

[hawkprey]

I'm guessing the problem between players and coaching gets fixed during the bye week like it did for our defense the last two times we changed coordinators.

[flaccopoe]

Pass protection was overall pretty good I thought, run blocking however was awful and needs to improve.

 

At least it wasn't a sack fest.  It was a stuff fest.

[JoeCool#5]

Gino did solid with the pass protection. Running blocking has been an issue for him. Heck the running blocking has been an issue for the entire OL this season. Its has been pretty putrid to say the least. Considering you didn't hear J.J. Watt name much. I give the OL a solid "C".

[NaveSenrag]

Did anyone else see Gino flip Watt?