Ray Rice and Haloti Ngata under-performing

[Sami84]

I think three is a good number we are second in the league .we are probably not going to agree I think our defense doesn't need to be fixed . that's Castillo's way of doing things breaking things that are functioning exceptionally well.

if it took harbs that many years to get rid of cam he wont  get rid ofcastillo for at least 3more  years. harbs is a loyalist.all i knowis castilodid nothing positive for the eagles last year.

 

im watching coaches film right now of he last game. its become clear. gino is 50percent of the problem.

[757RavensFan]

wehad 3 sacks yesterday. greenbay had 5.
 
nothing righht there. outside of josh sitten i dont see any world beaters on that line.

In all fairness, they only had 4. Flacco scrambled and ran out of bounds a yard short of the line of scrimmage, but technically it counts as a sack and given to the closest defender when he ran out.

[redrum52]

I was against re-signing Ray Rice because of his heavy career workload, he had nearly 1000 carries before we drafted him.

 

If we build a strong oline the ground game will take care of itself.

Said the same thing.  You focus on the o line and the running game will take care of it self.  Backs are too easy to find now in this league.  Especially since you don't need a #1 running back.  Never agreed with re signing Rice, though I did think he deserved a pay day.  Don't really agree with handing a rb a huge chunk of money considering how quickly they can begin to decline and the fact that without a line most of them are useless anyway.

[Sami84]

or your a trolling fool that needs to be ignored . which is my plan . there's nothing wrong with our defense .

our frontline is fine. but our secondary? cmon man, its lower tier.

 

ngata isnt the strong point of our d line  and hes getting paid so mich money thatwe could use elsewhere on our team.its a problem.

[redrum52]

wehad 3 sacks yesterday. greenbay had 5.

 

nothing righht there. outside of josh sitten i dont see any world beaters on that line.

GB was smart enough to realize that you can't have Rodgers just sit in the pocket and designed plays to move the pocket with him.  That's partially why he wasn't sacked us much.  That and he's good on his feet.  Maybe we should take some plays out there book and design more plays so Joe isn't a sitting duck back there.

[MrDelDante]

or your a trolling fool that needs to be ignored . which is my plan . there's nothing wrong with our defense .

 

Are you purposely ignoring my point? YOU said that there is nothing wrong with Ngata's play, and that he is getting triple teamed meaning he's not getting the stats. MY point was that if that was true, our stats for sacks and QB pressures would be a LOT higher due to our other guys utilising the space that Ngata is creating with his triple teams.

 

Ngata just isn't playing at a high level at the moment, that's all it is.

[runamuk]

if it took harbs that many years to get rid of cam he wont  get rid ofcastillo for at least 3more  years. harbs is a loyalist.all i knowis castilodid nothing positive for the eagles last year.

 

im watching coaches film right now of he last game. its become clear. gino is 50percent of the problem.

now we actually agree on something and yes I know gino is an issue. I know Castillo is not going anywhere but I pray he won't be our oc next year when Caldwell moves on

[runamuk]

our frontline is fine. but our secondary? cmon man, its lower tier.

 

ngata isnt the strong point of our d line  and hes getting paid so mich money thatwe could use elsewhere on our team.its a problem.

agree on the secondary .

[Sami84]

Are you purposely ignoring my point? YOU said that there is nothing wrong with Ngata's play, and that he is getting triple teamed meaning he's not getting the stats. MY point was that if that was true, our stats for sacks and QB pressures would be a LOT higher due to our other guys utilising the space that Ngata is creating with his triple teams.

 

Ngata just isn't playing at a high level at the moment, that's all it is.

 

 

GB was smart enough to realize that you can't have Rodgers just sit in the pocket and designed plays to move the pocket with him.  That's partially why he wasn't sacked us much.  That and he's good on his feet.  Maybe we should take some plays out there book and design more plays so Joe isn't a sitting duck back there.

agreed.

[izvoodoo]

not necessarily, I know some teams, mainly the eagles don't do big signing bonuses, they offer big Yearly salaries, guaranteeing the earlier years, and thus in the last few years thy yet full savings.

When you offer guaranteed signing bonuses your handcuffing yourself. For example joes 120 over 6 years could be

20mil bonus guaranteed
5 sal yr 1 and 2 - cap num of 9 both years
15 sal yr 3 - cap num 19
25 yrs 4 thru 6 cap number 29 yr 4 and 5, 25 for year 6

Guarantee the first three years, totalling 45 mil fully guaranteed and if you cut him in year 4 your cap savings are 25 mil sal less 8 mil dead money from the signing bonus so 17 mil yr 4 then 25 mil yr 5 and 6

No I get that, but at some point in the first 2 years you'd have a larger hit for releasing them.  He said you should never have that happen, and that is likely not possible.  

[runamuk]

our frontline is fine. but our secondary? cmon man, its lower tier.

 

ngata isnt the strong point of our d line  and hes getting paid so mich money thatwe could use elsewhere on our team.its a problem.

part of the secondary is communication the one gb touchdown I swear webb thought he had help cause he was angry . he looked as if  what the heck . I could be wrong no clue what the call was there.

[Sami84]

part of the secondary is communication the one gb touchdown I swear webb thought he had help cause he was angry . he looked as if  what the heck . I could be wrong no clue what the call was there.

thats because we have an ace special teams player and an overated prospectin matt elam who is toosmall and has no awareness the further awayhe is from the front line. 

 

thereare 2 ways we start winning these close games. we upgradethe center, or we upgradeone of the saftey positions. its as simple as that.

[izvoodoo]

thats because we have an ace special teams player and an overated prospectin matt elam who is toosmall and has no awareness the further awayhe is from the front line. 

 

thereare 2 ways we start winning these close games. we upgradethe center, or we upgradeone of the saftey positions. its as simple as that.

Dude, Elam was on the other side of the field.  It was Digs zone.

[Sami84]

Dude, Elam was on the other side of the field.  It was Digs zone.

i dont think it would have made any difference,neither of them have good zonal awarenes.

[redravenfan]

the nelson touchdown was most def a blown assignment no one in the nfl leaves nelson that alone anytime. I agree with the op about rice not sure we can justify the salary when he can't/isn't contributing . ngata is one of my favorites so not objective there gonna leave that alone.

[flynismo]

Their salaries are way too large, and this is the fault of one person.  Flacco.

[Sami84]

Their salaries are way too large, and this is the fault of one person.  Flacco.

ok we get it, itsnot all onflacco. flacco is still overpaid but hey its the market.

[GrimCoconut]

Ngata is the most overpaid person on this team followed closely by Ray Rice. He's not giving the effort I'd expect and he's hot and cold. He'll have good plays and bad ones. I'm forgiving of that but when you get paid more than 10M and you're a DT you better win more than lose and it's half and half right now.

I'm questioning whether or not Ngata loves football or plays because he makes money from it. I think it's the latter. As for Ray Rice, I'm not sure what's up with him but to say it's injury is a bit eh. He's been declining since last year. Even at the beginning of this year he's declined. So it can't be all injury.

[redravenfan]

I never said the defence didn't play well, but if Ngata is really eating up all these triple teams then either our guys aren't good enough to capitalise on the gaps that leaves, or you are in fact just talking out of your butt. A lot of our sacks have come from the outside, not through the middle. Our D-Line needs to improve and break through into the pocket.

we got pressure sending four and ngata was one of the four the dline stayed in Rodgers face all game . ngata does get double teamed allot the previous poster is right . triple team is rare but it does happen.you can't ask for them to play any better then they did

[redravenfan]

Ngata is the most overpaid person on this team followed closely by Ray Rice. He's not giving the effort I'd expect and he's hot and cold. He'll have good plays and bad ones. I'm forgiving of that but when you get paid more than 10M and you're a DT you better win more than lose and it's half and half right now.

I'm questioning whether or not Ngata loves football or plays because he makes money from it. I think it's the latter. As for Ray Rice, I'm not sure what's up with him but to say it's injury is a bit eh. He's been declining since last year. Even at the beginning of this year he's declined. So it can't be all injury.

you could be right about ngata last year he was talking about retiring to persue other things but never said when  . agree about rice too

[The Raven]

If Ngata retires after this season, which may actually be likely, what happens to his cap number? Anything?

[redravenfan]

If Ngata retires after this season, which may actually be likely, what happens to his cap number? Anything?

I was just googling that and couldn't find an adequate answer

[flynismo]

ok we get it, itsnot all onflacco. flacco is still overpaid but hey its the market.

No, I dont think you people do get it. As evidenced by your comment that he is overpaid.

[rmw10]

If Ngata retires after this season, which may actually be likely, what happens to his cap number? Anything?

We're stuck with the bonus money on the cap since it's already been paid out.

[runamuk]

Correct me if i'm wrong . the bonus accelerates and has to be paid the year a player retires but the salary is not paid

[H8R]

lol disagree totally and no I won't stop saying it .

Well then... you'll keep saying things that aren't true. that's on you...

[GrimCoconut]

If Ngata decided to retire or was cut the outcome is the same.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/haloti-ngata/

The guaranteed money is still guaranteed. He'll save us one million regardless of whether or not we decide his future or he does. He'll likely stick around but maybe we trade him for a pick and to save cap. I think if we trade him the cap hit isn't the same. I think if we find someone to take on his contract we'll be able to spread the hit out over next year and the year after.

I think we could also designate him as a June 1st release so we split the hit over two years. So it's not as unlikely as it's made out to be.

[Hey Diddle]

Ray Rice, KO, an Ngata are my three most frustrating Ravens now.  What has happend to Ray's wheels?

[Static]

Ngata will be a cap casualty and I won't feel bad about it.

[The Raven]

Well then... you'll keep saying things that aren't true. that's on you...

 

Last year, I thought you were crazy, but now there's some merit to what you're saying. Ngata has undoubtedly regressed, whether by injury, wear and tear, apathy, or all of the above.