Emotional Leadership Void?

[ratedr]

He played with Ray and went up against o-lineman his entire career.. I'd like to think that he knows a little more than we do

Siragusa hasn't been on the team in a decade. I'm fairly confident I know more about the team than he does.

[TonyTone1192]

It's ignorant to act like elite athletes getting paid millions of dollars, most of whom are highly competitive individuals, are going to be motivated by some nut dancing on the sidelines and spouting off Bible quotes.

I never stated that we needed Lewis back, but an emotional leader is needed on the field at this moment.
Not every player is the same, yeah the fact that these guys are getting paid millions should have them playing to the best of their abilities week in and week out but some players are natural born leaders who others flock to.
I'd say Lewis is crazy, not a nut.

[ratedr]

I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation.....

It's Flacco's fault!

If only Flacco could motivate us to log off.

No thread topic formed against you shall prosper.

[TonyTone1192]

Siragusa hasn't been on the team in a decade. I'm fairly confident I know more about the team than he does.

Lol whatever you say sunshine

[T3hRaven]

If only Flacco could motivate us to log off.

No thread topic formed against you shall prosper.

 

Between you and fly, at least some people are keeping things light.  I actually laughed at that one.

[flynismo]

If only Flacco could motivate us to log off.

Instead, I've held on to the mouse too long and got sacked by this train-wreck of a thread

[TonyTone1192]

You know what they say about people who assume?

It's simple. Go back to that Flacco comment about Ray's "enthusiasm". That's all you need to know about what kind of effect waving pom pom has on a pro athlete who is playing for not just professional pride, but millions of dollars and for the many fans who support them. Just get off it man....

Like I said before, some guys buy into it and some don't. Flacco has always had a calm demeanor so I'm not surprised that he didn't agree with Lewis. But to say that he didn't have a positive affect on our team with his leadership is absurd.
There's more to the game than that meets the eye

[flynismo]

Like I said before, some guys buy into it and some don't. Flacco has always had a calm demeanor so I'm not surprised that he didn't agree with Lewis. But to say that he didn't have a positive affect on our team with his leadership is absurd.
There's more to the game than that meets the eye

No, I didnt say "he didn't have a positive affect on our team with his leadership".

I said thinking that waving pom poms motivates pro athletes is absurd. Very big difference.

 

Unless of course, you are one of those people who think that being a leader (on or off a football field) consists of that rah rah go team stuff....in which case, I feel sorry for you.

[T3hRaven]

Lol there is more to sports than X's and O's.

So I'm guessing you had a problem with the way Lewis went about his business. I'm guessing you don't like Brees pumping his guys up.
I'm guessing you are/were the guy who played sports with no emotion

 

I never needed somebody to motivate me, those kind of peppy guys were annoying and I was generally pissed anyway.  Of course I drew a lot of penalties in every sport I played because of that.  

 

That's my secret captain, I'm always angry.

 

 

I still don't know a single person who plays a sport and doesn't want to win the game.  Maybe this generation of mine with those stupid participation trophies doesn't value competition anymore.

[T3hRaven]

No, I didnt say "he didn't have a positive affect on our team with his leadership".

I said thinking that waving pom poms motivates pro athletes is absurd. Very big difference.

 

Unless of course, you are one of those people who think that being a leader (on or off a football field) consists of that rah rah go team stuff....in which case, I feel sorry for you.

 

Ray Lewis' value as a leader came more from his knowledge of the game.  He knew where everyone was, he had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen, and he knew how to mentor guys on the little things to help them get better.  That was his value, not the dancing, the screaming, or the Jesus.

 

[flynismo]

Ray Lewis' value as a leader came more from his knowledge of the game.  He knew where everyone was, he had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen, and he knew how to mentor guys on the little things to help them get better.  That was his value, not the dancing, the screaming, or the Jesus.

 

 

It's Flacco's fault

[flynismo]

I am not, by any means making the statement that we lack leadership, but I do believe that we lack that EMOTI leader.

Yeah, we know what you said. And it's still hilarious

[ROH522155]

 

We've been using the ZBS since 2010, Juan Castillo is not the issue.

 

I got a concussion just from watching this.

[BloodRaven]

This doesn't feel like a Championship team, it feels like a team of young guys and mercs for hire, the accountability and trust between players is gone.

[PurpleCityLights]

We need Lewis to come Lay Hands on our young players, or maybe stand on the sidelines holding a Bible in one hand & some Jesus juice in the other......

[BloodRaven]

We need Lewis to come Lay Hands on our young players, or maybe stand on the sidelines holding a Bible in one hand & some Jesus juice in the other......

 

All joking aside why would he come back with the way our fanbase turned on him? everyone was mad but nobody wants to admit he was right.

[757RavensFan]

I don't know if it was mentioned, but when we lost Anquan, we lost the emotional leader of the offense. On many occasions Qs actions on the field and his emotions towards the Off on the sideline provided that spark. We've all seen him yelling trying to get his teammates to do their jobs and do it well. We lost just as much emotional leadership losing Q as we did by losing Lewis.

[berad]

Ray Rice gets emotional sometimes but not in the same way Ray Lewis would. More like a sulk or a whine.

 

Just an observation. When things are not going well, or he's playing poorly, Ray Rice will not be doing too well either.

[The Raven]

Sigh.....

I'm not being a butthole here, but have you ever played any kind of sports, ever? And yes, little league baseball or Pop Warner counts.

If so, did you ever play with that big mouthed, obnoxious guy who felt he was the "emotional leader"?

Come to think of it, maybe you are right. I always wanted to punch people like that straight in the mouth, so I guess their emotional "leadership" helped me want to be more physical.

 

Amen to that!

 

Emotional leadership? More like attention seeking if you ask me.

[Militant X 1]

I highly doubt there is a "emotional" leadership void on this team.  imo, the problem is that these 11 guys (on offense in particular), need to put their BIG BOY underwear on each game and go out there and dust off the man in front of them!

 

#Mili

[flynismo]

All joking aside why would he come back with the way our fanbase turned on him? everyone was mad but nobody wants to admit he was right.

It is rather strange how people mock him for the very things they have been praising him for the past 17 years. And for the record, in case you have been reading through this thread, I am not one of those people. I just think it is completely silly and juvenile to think that waving pom poms has any effect whatsoever -- even after the OP conceded that most players do not even buy into it, as evidenced by Flacco's comments. Ray was great, a man among boys. But not because of the rah rah go team nonsense.

[ratedr]

I highly doubt there is a "emotional" leadership void on this team. imo, the problem is that these 11 guys (on offense in particular), need to put their BIG BOY underwear on each game and go out there and dust off the man in front of them!

#Mili

Agreed.

[flynismo]

I don't know if it was mentioned, but when we lost Anquan, we lost the emotional leader of the offense. On many occasions Qs actions on the field and his emotions towards the Off on the sideline provided that spark. We've all seen him yelling trying to get his teammates to do their jobs and do it well. We lost just as much emotional leadership losing Q as we did by losing Lewis.

Flacco does the same thing.

 

I think what the OP does not understand is that it is not the YAY TEAM! nonsense that matters. The OP needs to understand what being a leader means -- and the traits of  leader is universal, not just on a football field. And anybody here that has ever held a role of leadership, whether it be in their careers, at home as a parent or as a teammate in a sport, can very easily tell you that 90% of being a great leader is simply knowing and refining yourself. First you need to be the person that you want everyone else to be. Then you need to learn how to follow before you can lead. And when you do those things and are ready to lead others to the promised land, you quickly realize how silly it is to expect being a glorified cheerleader producing the outcome that you want to achieve. You'll know it's silly, because as a leader, you know that you have to do whatever needs done to help a man fix himself and grow.

That last sentence is one of the traits that made Ray Lewis a great leader -- holding others accountable for themselves. Or as people around here used to think: Bring (random-troublemaker) here, Ray will keep him in line!

 

I'm starting to ramble now, and this is such a hugely complex topic (leadership, not whether or not the Ravens need to hire some extra cheerleaders), so I guess there is no point in continuing, but I really do wish people would get over this leadership talk just because Ray isn't here.

[ratedr]

It's a miracle that 31 other teams in the league have managed to function without Ray Lewis.

[redrum52]

RAH RAH go team!! :229031_cheer:

 

That will fix our problems for sure!

OF COURSE.  It has NOTHING to do with our ABYSMAL o-line play.  We need cheerleaders in the huddle.  Receiver isn't the problem, rb isn't the problem, qb isn't the problem, the secondary isn't the problem.. THE O-LINE NEEDS TO GET THEIR DAMN MIND RIGHT.  The second this happens, this team will be feared.

[flynismo]

OF COURSE.  It has NOTHING to do with our ABYSMAL o-line play.  We need cheerleaders in the huddle.  Receiver isn't the problem, rb isn't the problem, qb isn't the problem, the secondary isn't the problem.. THE O-LINE NEEDS TO GET THEIR DAMN MIND RIGHT.  The second this happens, this team will be feared.

 

That's all the cheerleading this team needs -- an OL that acts like they give a damn

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

No need because I already know how Flacco felt about Rays speeches, I understand not everyone will buy in, but there's a reason why he's getting a statue and why he was the "heart and soul" of our team for years. He got guys to buy into what he was preaching.

I'm not saying that if we get an emotional leader then all of our problems will be solved, I'm not naive. But I do believe it will help, especially while our o-line struggles

 

Here, maybe this will help.

 

You've made the statement that you do realize we are able to play at a certain level by saying we can score when we need to. So we need to then ask a question.

 

What is the difference in our team at those points when we are able to score at will? Then really think about the answer.

 

Because for your point about an emotional leader to be correct, then that means someone is already stepping up as an emotional leader in the 4th quarter when the games on the line - and he's just waiting until then to lead with emotion.

 

Quite frankly, I don't think even you believes that.... you're just at a point now where you cant come up with answers to youre searching for one. Its ok. We all are.

 

Again, come back to that question "Why can we score when we need to, but not the rest of the game?" While the problem is complex, I do think the answer is quite simple.

 

When the games on the line, the offense and coaches stop "trying" and start doing. We need points and need them in a hurry so we go into a fast paced, short huddle/no huddle type offense, with Joe making a lot of adjustments at the line. It's not running more or passing more, its calling the play based on what the defense is showing - bc even our run game improves in the 4th quarter when we hurry up. The pace also helps our line in that it wears the defense down and doesn't give them time to hide from Gino what they're going to do. It forces the defense to play things more straight forward.

 

For some reason we seem hesitant to go with that for an entire game. We'd rather try and stick to some formula of run vs pass balance, and running a certain % on first down. I think it's too many voices in the room, not necessarily the wrong voices but too many... and Joe's isn't being heard loudly enough bc hes not that kind of guy.

 

But my eyes tell me the common denominator when the offense rolls is that its hurry up, Joe audible-ing and adjusting at the line. We just outsmart ourselves with silly gameplans we stick with for way too long when theyre having no success whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

BTW completely unrelated, but has anyone else noticed Ray Rice diving into pressure. Like opportunity to bounce it outside? Nope I'll dive right into their from 7. 5 yard check down in open space? Nah I'll run right to the only tackler within 10 yards and dive right at his feet. Whats going on with him?

[flynismo]

BTW completely unrelated, but has anyone else noticed Ray Rice diving into pressure. Like opportunity to bounce it outside? Nope I'll dive right into their from 7. 5 yard check down in open space? Nah I'll run right to the only tackler within 10 yards and dive right at his feet. Whats going on with him?

 

 

You know, I've been wondering myself. He is still banged up, and we all know how god has forsaken our OL, but Rice has made some very questionable decisions as well. It's something to monitor, that's for sure

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

You know, I've been wondering myself. He is still banged up, and we all know how god has forsaken our OL, but Rice has made some very questionable decisions as well. It's something to monitor, that's for sure

 

Yea... I know the Oline isn't helping anything - there's not a whole lot any back in the league can do when consistently hit 3 yards behind the LOS. but even on plays that he gets to the 2nd level or in space he stutter steps and falls, or even at times seems to cut back into tacklers when there was a lane or an edge in the direction he was running.

 

To me it seems to be a vision problem. He's not seeing all his options and is therefore very indecisive which is slowing him down and forcing poor decisions.

 

EDIT: Personally I think he's bulked up too much which has taken away some quickness and upset his sense of balance and comfort in his body.

[TonyTone1192]

All joking aside why would he come back with the way our fanbase turned on him? everyone was mad but nobody wants to admit he was right.

Thank you!