Joe Flacco is the man

[beanfigger]

Dude...

Andrew Luck is ridiculous.

 

He's magic.  His throws are outrageously beautiful.  Joe and the Ravens better take advantage of this time period while Brady and Peyton are closing in on the end of their career and he is just coming into his own.  I could see Luck becoming our fiercest rival QB over the next 8-10 years in the AFC.  Ravens-Colts could become the new Pats-Colts of the early 2000s and Ravens-Pats of today.

[TSizzle00]

I believe in Joe Flacco, I've seen him do what the top QBs can do so it is not impossible for him.

[izvoodoo]

He's magic.  His throws are outrageously beautiful.  Joe and the Ravens better take advantage of this time period while Brady and Peyton are closing in on the end of their career and he is just coming into his own.  I could see Luck becoming our fiercest rival QB over the next 8-10 years in the AFC.  Ravens-Colts could become the new Pats-Colts of the early 2000s and Ravens-Pats of today.

I was talking about that.

Right now all the young quarterbacks are in the NFC it seems. 

The only AFC quarterbacks if Manning and Brady were to retire would be Ben and Joe.

But man, Andrew Luck lived up to the hype.  And yeah, I do see Indy Baltimore becoming a sizeable rivalry.  I guess if Bridgewater comes in that's another guy, but they'd still be far off from contention.  

But I really enjoy watching Luck.  More than any other quarterback his age or younger. 

[Ravensfan23]

Luck proved himself to me in the Playoff game against us last season. I loved the player coming out of college but didn't like the hype. Now I'm a huge fan of his. This guy is special and I agree he will lead the Colts to be our biggest rival.

Back to Joe. What if I said Joe Flacco was having a MVP caliber year from a performance standpoint but his numbers just don't show it. Would you guys just bush me off as a delusional Flacco supporter and call me crazy?

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I'd just wish for one week this guy would put up numbers in line with the money the Ravens invested in him.
 
 
Flacco is 38th in quarterback rating.  Quite frankly that sucks and if any other position on the team was in the top three pay scale of their respective position while in the same territory/ statistical rankings the Flacco fans would have their heads.
 
Flacco is an average Joe.  Actually right now he's below average Joe.

This is absolutely the most ludicrous post I have ever read. I'd like to review the list of 37 QBs who rate above Joe. Since there are only 32 teams in the NFL, are you insinuating that all of the starting QBs in the NFL and 5 backup QBs are rated higher than Cool Hand Joe or are you including some college QBs? If indeed he is ranked that low, it only serves to prove the QB rating system is faulty. BTW, I have always believed the QB rating system has some major flaws. For instance, there are currently two starting QBs in the league with two SB rings apiece and whose teams now have a combined record of 0-10. Where are they in your rating system?

Joe has already established himself as one of the premier QBs in the league and nothing you can say will diminish his accomplishments. I agree with all of the superlatives that have been posted on this string and will add one more. Joe is unflappable and is not afraid to lose. As any successful businessman knows, one cannot be afraid to lose to succeed in the business world. Boardwalk Joe is a businessman.

It would be easy for someone like Joe to become complacent after the year he had but that's not in his makeup. I believe Joe is still hungry and as we all know "A hungry dog hunts best."

[flynismo]

Back to Joe. What if I said Joe Flacco was having a MVP caliber year from a performance standpoint but his numbers just don't show it. Would you guys just bush me off as a delusional Flacco supporter and call me crazy?

 

I would.

 

I mean, he has been royally screwed by the rest of the offense, and we likely win that week 1 game at Denver if we dont drop 8 passes, including 2 TDs, but the BUF game was a disaster, and while he played well against CLE and MIA, it wasnt enough to consider it MVP-worthy performances.

 

In a different universe, where he has a good OL and doesn't have Dickson, an UDFA rookie and a guy we cut (Doss) starting, I think the results would be MVP material.

[Neva.Mo]

Joe has all the potential in the world to be the best... Surely he's already picked Stokely's brain and asked how Manning interacted with his receivers and what type of routs he drilled them to run. One would think by this stage of the Joe's career, he would know what passing scheme to call... Let's see what kind of brain the Raven's paid for... let him loose folks!

[Ravensfan23]

I would.
 
I mean, he has been royally screwed by the rest of the offense, and we likely win that week 1 game at Denver if we dont drop 8 passes, including 2 TDs, but the BUF game was a disaster, and while he played well against CLE and MIA, it wasnt enough to consider it MVP-worthy performances.
 
In a different universe, where he has a good OL and doesn't have Dickson, an UDFA rookie and a guy we cut (Doss) starting, I think the results would be MVP material.

I plan on making a thread about this and it will definitely be a tough sell fly. With the way Peyton is playing right now, there is no way Flacco or anyone else would be considered MVP. However Joe's numbers could and should definitely be comparable to guys like Rodgers and Romo right now.

Admittedly it's a lot of ifs at play for me because in reality Flacco is only as good as who surrounds him, no different to other QBs. When I say a MVP type performance, I mean in things that he can control. Now I'm not delusional enough to think that Joe Flacco should be a MVP canidate nor am I gonna act as if he's been perfect this year.

It's more so to the point of what you just said. If the performaces around him were better. Is Peyton on a tear right now without his oline blocking well and WRs making plays? I say no. From what I'm seeing in Joe he is grading out to about 8.5 on a 10 point scale imo. You mention the Browns game. He had 3 drops worth 80yds and 2Tds in that game. We all know about the Broncos game with all the drops. Just last game there were 155yds and at least 2 Tds. Again a lot of Ifs I admit. But from the things Flacco can control he is playing some of the best football I've seen including the Super Bowl run. I had Joe graded out to only 1 negative play in the Dolphins game, that's special imo.

I really don't think Flacco nor the overall offense is that far off and we might see a big time performance sometime real soon Fly.

[ellicottraven]

If you really want to know why Joe Flacco is the man, here is an article that I strongly suggest you read in its entirety. Here is the link:

http://russellstreetreport.com/flacco-is-a-winner-and-earning-every-penny/

[TSizzle00]

I wonder how many points Peyton can score if his WRs drop passes.

[runamuk]

Read that he got hit over 20 times on Sunday

I knew it was allot but I didn't know it was that bad. this keeps up he's going to get hurt.

[runamuk]

He's magic.  His throws are outrageously beautiful.  Joe and the Ravens better take advantage of this time period while Brady and Peyton are closing in on the end of their career and he is just coming into his own.  I could see Luck becoming our fiercest rival QB over the next 8-10 years in the AFC.  Ravens-Colts could become the new Pats-Colts of the early 2000s and Ravens-Pats of today.

I agree 100 % what I don't get is why the love for kaepernick and Wilson and none for luck. that kid has ten times the talent of both Wilson and kaepernick

[jimmypowder]

I agree 100 % what I don't get is why the love for kaepernick and Wilson and none for luck. that kid has ten times the talent of both Wilson and kaepernick

You are absolutely correct . Luck will surpass both of those QB's easily when its all said and done.

[blackbird29]

Anyone watch Sunday Countdown on espn? They had a headline that said Flacco was flustered. So I am thinking great another rip on our QB. But then the piece started and Jaworski and Sal P. weren't bashing him at all. Actually praised him a bit. Kinda nice to see him get some respect from somewhere!

[A Fish Called Yanda]

He has been flustered.  That's what happens when your o-line is a sieve.

 

:D

[Rav'n Maniac]

He has been flustered.  That's what happens when your o-line is a sieve.
 
:D

More like a storm drain.

[blackbird29]

Yeah Cris Carter just made the comment that 120 million dollars doesn't get you much these days but its not Joe's fault right? So blame the protection.

[blackbird29]

Who exactly has been protecting him? Nobody.

Who exactly does he have to throw the ball to? Torrey..that's it. Last week they only had 3 wr's dressed. Then one of his TE's has more drops than catches, and the other can catch but can't run.

Joe is doing just about as good as he can right now with what he's got. I can't count how many perfectly thrown balls have been dropped so far..many of those would have been big plays that would have either been a TD or put us well within FG range.

By the way, QB rating is a fictional statistic created by espn for fans who fetishize numbers over raw x's and o's. It doesn't account for the times when a qb has his man downfield but gets hit and can't step into the throw. It doesn't accout for the perfect balls dropped by a receiver. It doesn't account for a fat, out of shape, unmotivated LT getting beat leading to an interception because his arm got batted causing the ball to pop up. It doesn't account for a receiver running the wrong route, or not going back for a catchable pass. It doesn't account for a TE getting alligator arms going over the middle.

Take your QB rating to some fantasy football forum bro

Love this. Thank you.

[Tank 92]

Eric Decosta disagrees;

 

“The thing about Joe that is great is that he doesn’t get flustered,” DeCosta noted. “He may have a bad quarter, he may have a bad half, he may have a bad game, but he’s going to come back and play better every single time. [If] you have a bad first half, he comes out and has a great second half. It’s happened repeatedly. His personality lends itself to tough situations, critical situations. Players respond, and those are the things about Joe that make him special and unique.”

[TheRavenouseD2008]

More like what happens when you left tackle would rather be at a strip club then playing 

[cursona pirate]

I'm surprised Flacco just doesent run the ball or just sit down when he is about to get hit.

[Footman DCXLV]

I think they were just going for the alliteration as a catchy headline. 

 

Yeah Cris Carter just made the comment that 120 million dollars doesn't get you much these days but its not Joe's fault right? So blame the protection.

 

And, that one was about his clothes. They made fun of Antonio Cromartie and somebody else for the same thing immediately afterward.

 

As much as the Ravens still struggle to get as much positive press as certain other teams, I am pleased that I've seen several analysts point to the fact that his bigger issue is the talent around him at this point, rather than all being his fault.

[dinkmark]

If Flacco can correct two flaws in his game he will be a great QB. I think his problems are holding on to the ball a little longer than he should because when he does he is not very pocket aware. Second, I think when he is searching for a receiver to throw to he literally allows defenses to read exactly what he is reading and therefore either disrupt the play or intercept him.

 

If he should eliminate these flaws, he will be a great QB and amongst the best in the league.

 

If Flacco can correct two flaws in his game he will be a great QB. I think his problems are holding on to the ball a little longer than he should because when he does he is not very pocket aware. Second, I think when he is searching for a receiver to throw to he literally allows defenses to read exactly what he is reading and therefore either disrupt the play or intercept him.

 

If he should eliminate these flaws, he will be a great QB and amongst the best in the league.

Looks like we see the same things. Which is why he is not more than a above average QB.

[Speed Kills]

At what point when is Joe going to start playing on par with what we are paying him? I mean when you pay someone 20 mil a year I fully expect him to CONSISTENTLY play at a high level. Not stink it up for an entire half of football leading an offense to 3 and out after 3 and out. Yes he played very well in the second half. No I don't think he is a bum. Yes I think he is a top 10 QB in this league. But when you get paid 20 mil you are being paid to be a leader of this football team which he did not do today. He instilled zero sense of urgency in his teammates on offense, he has not made his receivers better so far this year like an elite QB like Brady, Brees, Manning, etc. would have and I am running out of patience a little bit. There are so many QB's in this league that make less than Flacco that are playing better then him. I am also so sick and tired of people blaming the Oline and receivers and everyone but Flacco when a good amount of the reason our offense is so bad is his fault. Bottom line is this team goes as Flacco goes and thats why we are 3-3. Instead so many of you are on here praising his toughness instead of questioning why we have paid so much money for a QB who has thrown more picks than TD's this season. I fully support him as our QB and fully expect him to turn it around, but he needs to start playing better ASAP.

[Cville-Raven]

When will Ray Rice start playing like a top 5 back?

[jimmypowder]

[quote name="Speed Kills" post="1626539" timestamp="1381697270"] At what point when is Joe going to start playing on par with what we are paying him? I mean when you pay someone 20 mil a year I fully expect him to CONSISTENTLY play at a high level. Not stink it up for an entire half of football leading an offense to 3 and out after 3 and out. Yes he played very well in the second half. No I don't think he is a bum. Yes I think he is a top 10 QB in this league. But when you get paid 20 mil you are being paid to be a leader of this football team which he did not do today. He instilled zero sense of urgency in his teammates on offense, he has not made his receivers better so far this year like an elite QB like Brady, Brees, Manning, etc. would have and I am running out of patience a little bit. There are so many QB's in this league that make less than Flacco that are playing better then him. I am also so sick and tired of people blaming the Oline and receivers and everyone but Flacco when a good amount of the reason our offense is so bad is his fault. Bottom line is this team goes as Flacco goes and thats why we are 3-3. Instead so many of you are on here praising his toughness instead of questioning why we have paid so much money for a QB who has thrown more picks than TD's this season. I fully support him as our QB and fully expect him to turn it around, but he needs to start playing better ASAP.[/quote] Did he outplay Rodgers today ? Should have had 3 tds no picks ,threw for 350 yards or so with a ZERO run game . Rodgers fumbled twice ,should have thrown at least one pick 6 to Daryl Smith ,threw one to Jimmy and I'm guessing his QB rating was lower then Joe's . . The only thing missing from your comments is to bring in Tyrod Taylor .

[Speed Kills]

Did he outplay Rodgers today ? Should have had 3 tds no picks ,threw for 350 yards or so with a ZERO run game . Rodgers fumbled twice ,should have thrown at least one pick 6 to Daryl Smith ,threw one to Jimmy and I'm guessing his QB rating was lower then Joe's . . The only thing missing from your comments is to bring in Tyrod Taylor .

See you are bringing statistics into it. Everyone knows Flacco doesn't put up the sexy statistics and I thought most Ravens fans understood stats aren't everything given how fiercely everyone defends Flacco when pundits are critical of him and reference his unimpressive stats. We Ravens fans point to the only stat that matters, wins. Did Joe win the game today? no Rodgers did and Rodgers did it without his top 2 receivers so no Joe did not outplay Rodgers today. He played well, but not better than Rodgers. Rodgers made plays when it mattered and won the game. Most importantly though, Rodgers showed everyone WHY they pay him 20+ mil a year to play QB. He elevated the players around him, most specifically his WR's and still found a way to win without his best weapons. Joe Flacco has yet to do this with his WR's. Truth hurts

[jimmypowder]

[quote name="Speed Kills" post="1626736" timestamp="1381699591"] See you are bringing statistics into it. Everyone knows Flacco doesn't put up the sexy statistics and I thought most Ravens fans understood stats aren't everything given how fiercely everyone defends Flacco when pundits are critical of him and reference his unimpressive stats. We Ravens fans point to the only stat that matters, wins. Did Joe win the game today? no Rodgers did and Rodgers did it without his top 2 receivers so no Joe did not outplay Rodgers today. He played well, but not better than Rodgers. Rodgers made plays when it mattered and won the game. Most importantly though, Rodgers showed everyone WHY they pay him 20+ mil a year to play QB. He elevated the players around him, most specifically his WR's and still found a way to win without his best weapons. Joe Flacco has yet to do this with his WR's. Truth hurts[/quote] Gotta love this . Rodgers did not play better then Flacco . 2 fumbles of which we should have recovered one near the goal line when Ngata dropped on the ball but couldn't secure it . One pick should have been a pick 6 but Daryl Smith dropped an easy catch . Thn Rodgers throws the ball to Jimmy smith For a pick So no I don't think Rodgers outplayed Flacco

[Speed Kills]

Gotta love this . Rodgers did not play better then Flacco . 2 fumbles of which we should have recovered one near the goal line when Ngata dropped on the ball but couldn't secure it . One pick should have been a pick 6 but Daryl Smith dropped an easy catch . Thn Rodgers throws the ball to Jimmy smith For a pick So no I don't think Rodgers outplayed Flacco

HE PLAYED WITH 2 WR's! Those fumbles were not recovered, so they did not change the game and Daryl Smith did not pick him off for a game changing pick 6. If If's and but's were candy and nuts then everyday would be Christmas. Rodgers elevated his backup WR's enough to win the game. Something Flacco has not done this year. Also conveniently leaving out the fact that Flacco did literally nothing for the first 3 quarters and all his stats came in the 4th...

[StingerNLG]

Jermichael Finley didnt play today?