Joe Flacco is the man

[Tank 92]

Is it just me, or is the only QB that's taken a bigger beating than Joe over the last few weeks the guy he was playing against on Sunday (Tannehill)?

 

 

Big Jen?

[I AM LEGEND]

Flacco is tough...no question

But With that being said..

he holds on to the ball a tad bit to long...and his play this year is anything to applaud. I don't think the line is as much to blame as receivers not holding onto the ball in some of those games.

Flacco, the line, and receivers have all performed average to below average.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Flacco is tough...no question

But With that being said..

he holds on to the ball a tad bit to long...and his play this year is anything to applaud. I don't think the line is as much to blame as receivers not holding onto the ball in some of those games.

Flacco, the line, and receivers have all performed average to below average.

Yup I agree with you, but him holding to the ball is because the Wrs have struggled getting separation.

[PolishRifle]

Flacco is tough...no question

But With that being said..

he holds on to the ball a tad bit to long...and his play this year is anything to applaud. I don't think the line is as much to blame as receivers not holding onto the ball in some of those games.

Flacco, the line, and receivers have all performed average to below average.

 

Yes, it's almost as if Joe has to get familiar with new receivers he can't fully trust yet and stands behind an Oline, that does a poor job blocking.

[jimjim5]

Flacco is tough...no question

But With that being said..

he holds on to the ball a tad bit to long...and his play this year is anything to applaud. I don't think the line is as much to blame as receivers not holding onto the ball in some of those games.

Flacco, the line, and receivers have all performed average to below average.

 

He holds the ball long because the plays take a long time to develop and the line should hold longer than 4 seconds so he can make the play. This is why they the Ravens are changing their blocking scheme... so Joe can have time like Manning and Brady. Imagine what kind of QB Flacco could be with time in the pocket and a system like his elite peers.

[jimmypowder]

Of course, according to the national broadcasters, the only  QB in the NFL is Peyton Manning.

 

Can they talk about anyone else? No.

So many good quarterbacks,  Joe is right up there and has more playoff wins.

 

of course, he got the big bucks, I am sure it will pay off. We do need some help at those other positions discussed..

 

Go Ravens!!! Let's get another ring!!!!

Manning is the regular season king but when it gets cold and windy during playoff time he won't be the same QB.

[ravens533]

At this point, Joe's wife and the trainers must be taking very good care of Joe. The o-line isn't.  Hang in there Joe. This team needs you. And Ravens fans love you.

[runamuk]

I wouldn't want any other qb seriously. Joe fits in Baltimore and I hope he stays healthy for a very long time .

[Fang]

Joe is top 5 in this league. I'll defend that statement all day any time. To hell with pretty stats. I'll take W's over any stat anyone can come up with.

 

1. Peyton Manning

2. Drew Brees

3. Joe Flacco

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Tom Brady

 

But when the post season and cold weather arrives:

 

1. Joe Flacco

2. Tom Brady

3. Eli Manning

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Drew Brees

.

.

9. Peyton Manning

[ellicottraven]

Joe is top 5 in this league. I'll defend that statement all day any time. To hell with pretty stats. I'll take W's over any stat anyone can come up with.

 

1. Peyton Manning

2. Drew Brees

3. Joe Flacco

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Tom Brady

 

But when the post season and cold weather arrives:

 

1. Joe Flacco

2. Tom Brady

3. Eli Manning

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Drew Brees

.

.

9. Peyton Manning

While not many may agree with you, I totally do, if and this is a big "if" Flacco can get his game to be more consistent. In cold weather I think Flacco is the best QB in the league or for that matter in the post season. In the regular season to rank him up that high, I would be hesitant. Top 12 absolutely just the way he plays this year. To get into the top 5, a little more consistency and no 5 pick games would be helpful.

[ellicottraven]

If Flacco can correct two flaws in his game he will be a great QB. I think his problems are holding on to the ball a little longer than he should because when he does he is not very pocket aware. Second, I think when he is searching for a receiver to throw to he literally allows defenses to read exactly what he is reading and therefore either disrupt the play or intercept him.

 

If he should eliminate these flaws, he will be a great QB and amongst the best in the league.

[arnie_uk]

Joe is top 5 in this league. I'll defend that statement all day any time. To hell with pretty stats. I'll take W's over any stat anyone can come up with.
 
1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Joe Flacco
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Tom Brady
 
But when the post season and cold weather arrives:
 
1. Joe Flacco
2. Tom Brady
3. Eli Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Drew Brees
.
.
9. Peyton Manning

youve got him too high normally, I personally think he's at 6 but jumps to one in dec and jan

[Fang]

While not many may agree with you, I totally do, if and this is a big "if" Flacco can get his game to be more consistent. In cold weather I think Flacco is the best QB in the league or for that matter in the post season. In the regular season to rank him up that high, I would be hesitant. Top 12 absolutely just the way he plays this year. To get into the top 5, a little more consistency and no 5 pick games would be helpful.

 

Well when he beats Aaron Rodgers on Sunday my ranking will have more validity.

[Hardbaugh]

I'd just wish for one week this guy would put up numbers in line with the money the Ravens invested in him.

 

 

Flacco is 38th in quarterback rating.  Quite frankly that sucks and if any other position on the team was in the top three pay scale of their respective position while in the same territory/ statistical rankings the Flacco fans would have their heads.

 

Flacco is an average Joe.  Actually right now he's below average Joe.

[arnie_uk]

Well when he beats Aaron Rodgers on Sunday my ranking will have more validity.

qbs don't beat qbs

[Ravenslifer]

Joe is top 5 in this league. I'll defend that statement all day any time. To hell with pretty stats. I'll take W's over any stat anyone can come up with.

 

1. Peyton Manning

2. Drew Brees

3. Joe Flacco

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Tom Brady

 

But when the post season and cold weather arrives:

 

1. Joe Flacco

2. Tom Brady

3. Eli Manning

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Drew Brees

.

.

9. Peyton Manning

 

Brady hasn't been that good in the postseason recently - compared to Rodgers, since 2009 Rodgers has 18 TDs to 5 picks, while Brady has 16 TDs to 10 picks, or 10 TDs to 9 picks if you take out that performance against the Denver Tebows.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'd just wish for one week this guy would put up numbers in line with the money the Ravens invested in him.

 

 

Flacco is 38th in quarterback rating.  Quite frankly that sucks and if any other position on the team was in the top three pay scale of their respective position while in the same territory/ statistical rankings the Flacco fans would have their heads.

 

Flacco is an average Joe.  Actually right now he's below average Joe.

 

Joe has literally been on the money with every throw when hes had more than a second to stand in the pocket. When the world isn't crumbling around him he's been excellent - and when it has been crumbling hes been inconsistent... which I don't think is all that crazy.

 

But you're right, id prefer someone like tom brady - he never has down games or throws lame duck interceptions... oh wait.

 

I know you hate the guy... we get it. And I know if I say I like Joe im just a homer... but can we please let the guy play a game with protection and all his weapons healthy and then come talk.

 

And I'd like to hear what you think about Ray Rice... he must be AWFUL too bc his numbers are worse relative to other rbs in the league than Joe's are. There must not be any outside factors contributing to his poor play.

[ellicottraven]

When Joe gets time, he sets records and wins Super Bowls. Just imagine if he had the system they have over in Denver, and had guys like DT, Welker, Decker and Thomas...the whining about Flacco would come to a stop. Well, probably not, certain people would still find something to complain about...

You know now that Ryan has lost Julio for the season and Roddy is hurt, we'll find out a lot about Ryan! I bet you he will fare far worse than Flacco has even though Ryan still has Gonzalez.

The true comparison can begin now. Give Flacco Julio and Torrey with Gonzalez and he'll set the football world on fire!

[ellicottraven]

I'd just wish for one week this guy would put up numbers in line with the money the Ravens invested in him.
 
 
Flacco is 38th in quarterback rating.  Quite frankly that sucks and if any other position on the team was in the top three pay scale of their respective position while in the same territory/ statistical rankings the Flacco fans would have their heads.
 
Flacco is an average Joe.  Actually right now he's below average Joe.

I agree with the 38th ranking because it is a stat. However, can you look at that list and tell me which of those 37 QBs ranked higher than Flacco, would be able to go to Denver and beat Peyton in a sling fest. Then go to New England and beat Brady and then go on to New Orleans and then win SB MVP.

Not to mention equal Joe Montana's record that has been there for God knows how long! When you find those 37 please let us all know, so we can pay more attention to those stats you bring up!

[ellicottraven]

Well, dip me in poop and roll me in corn meal!    What a refreshing topic!!!
 
Joe is a beast and we're fortunate to have him on this Team. Many a weaker man would have crumbled by now facing the hits he has taken. ".......get a little pissed and go back out and throw the ball again".......... gotta be Wacco for Flacco!!!!

Disgustingly LOL!

[RavensAllTheWay]

I'd just wish for one week this guy would put up numbers in line with the money the Ravens invested in him.

 

 

Flacco is 38th in quarterback rating.  Quite frankly that sucks and if any other position on the team was in the top three pay scale of their respective position while in the same territory/ statistical rankings the Flacco fans would have their heads.

 

Flacco is an average Joe.  Actually right now he's below average Joe.

 

Stats never tell the whole story.  But hey, if they mean that much to you, they'll come soon.  I guess numbers tell you all you need to know about what you're seeing, huh?  I guess the pick 6 he threw, which wasn't his fault, nullifies the fact that he led a game winning drive right afterwards.  I guess 0 TD to 1 INT is automatically a bad game, every game, regardless of any other factors.

 

And I guess Eli is a terrible QB because his passer rating is lower than Joe's right now.  That clearly nullifies two SB rings and playoff success, just like Joe's low numbers clearly are more important than game winning drives and a SB winning playoff run. 

 

And I guess paying a QB to put up huge numbers but not win is money better spent than a QB who does nothing but win and has us tied atop the division once again.

 

The fact that he won a SB when people said he was average or worse and will never win one makes those people wrong to a point that they can't recover from.

[berad]

I'm sure Ozzie is all upset his fantasy team isn't playing better but, hey, he shouldn't have been such a homer and drafted all Ravens.

The fantasy game is warping how people look at players. I play it but, c'mon, I understand the difference between a good fantasy QB and a good NFL QB. Yes, they are different.

[Tank 92]

I'm sure Ozzie is all upset his fantasy team is playing better but, hey, he shouldn't have been such a homer and drafted all Ravens.

The fantasy game is warping how people look at players. I play it but, c'mon, I understand the difference between a good fantasy QB and a good NFL QB. Yes, they are different.

 

 

Exactly.  Jordy and Cobb will ride the pine for me next week!  :P

[ellicottraven]

Stats never tell the whole story.  But hey, if they mean that much to you, they'll come soon.  I guess numbers tell you all you need to know about what you're seeing, huh?  I guess the pick 6 he threw, which wasn't his fault, nullifies the fact that he led a game winning drive right afterwards.  I guess 0 TD to 1 INT is automatically a bad game, every game, regardless of any other factors.
 
And I guess Eli is a terrible QB because his passer rating is lower than Joe's right now.  That clearly nullifies two SB rings and playoff success, just like Joe's low numbers clearly are more important than game winning drives and a SB winning playoff run. 
 
And I guess paying a QB to put up huge numbers but not win is money better spent than a QB who does nothing but win and has us tied atop the division once again.
 
The fact that he won a SB when people said he was average or worse and will never win one makes those people wrong to a point that they can't recover from.

But come on Eli is a terrible QB who is nothing close to Joe! He and Ben got lucky with good defenses man... neither Eli nor Ben carried their team to a SB win like Joe did!

[Hey Diddle]

In Flacco I Trust! 

 

All ways, I still can't believe he throw that 5th pick in Buffalo.  His leadership is great, he is very football smart, thinks before he speaks!  I remember a Marlon Brown quote he said, he wasn't worried when the Ravens where down because Joe is never worried, that's the QB I want, one that stays calm when the sky is falling, the anti-Romo.

[rlh445]

Flacco is tough...no question

But With that being said..

he holds on to the ball a tad bit to long...and his play this year is anything to applaud. I don't think the line is as much to blame as receivers not holding onto the ball in some of those games.

Flacco, the line, and receivers have all performed average to below average.

 

Flacco holds onto the ball because he's trying to make something out of nothing.  He refuses to quit on every play.  It's frustrating to watch sometimes, but he's not doing because he's dumb or because he's, 'a deer in the headlights,', he's doing it to try and give his guys time to get open and make a play.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Flacco holds onto the ball because he's trying to make something out of nothing. He refuses to quit on every play. It's frustrating to watch sometimes, but he's not doing because he's dumb or because he's, 'a deer in the headlights,', he's doing it to try and give his guys time to get open and make a play.

+35

[Ravensfan23]

Yes, it's almost as if Joe has to get familiar with new receivers he can't fully trust yet and stands behind an Oline, that does a poor job blocking.

This is exactly correct. There are times on the sidelines where Flacco is literally informing WRs how they should run routes. Not in a negative way, but in a way where he expects them to be in a position they simply aren't. On 1 Winning Drive this week, theyy showed how DT was supposed to run a hard slant, but instead ran a delayed route. The outcome of the play was incomplete on 3rd down and the perception that Flacco's accuracy was off. However in reality the ball was placed exact where it needed to be and if DT ran the correct route it probably results in a 1st down and possibly a score.


Also they showed how Torrey screwed up on a couple of plays, one was actually a catch and another came on a 9 route that might had resulted in a TD in the Bills game we lost by 3. How huge would that had been. These guys just aren't constantly winning for Joe the way Broncos win for Peyton or the Saints win for Brees. That's not to say joe has been prefect because he hasn't, but more often then not Joe is doing the right things, but the things arounf him breakk down. Of course with no finger pointing from Joe.

Then you look at the oline and it's just criminal the way they are getting Joe abused. I'm honestly amazed he's not shell shocked like Boller was. He gets destroyed and just picks himself up, brushes off and on to the next play. It's funny how the anti Flacco people only show up wheen things aren't going well, but fail to acknowlegde the things causing the bad play. Brad Jackson is a guy I didn't think fit in this catergory, but the more he talks the more I notice it. That's another topic but I'm really starting to dislike that guy. The oline is playing below average and it's nearly impossible to expect any QB to excell behind them. Yet we constantly ask Flacco to do so and more often then not he does.

[Hardbaugh]

I agree with the 38th ranking because it is a stat. However, can you look at that list and tell me which of those 37 QBs ranked higher than Flacco, would be able to go to Denver and beat Peyton in a sling fest. Then go to New England and beat Brady and then go on to New Orleans and then win SB MVP.

Not to mention equal Joe Montana's record that has been there for God knows how long! When you find those 37 please let us all know, so we can pay more attention to those stats you bring up!

 

 

Any quarterback can get on a roll for four games.

 

Flacco picked an opportune time to start playing like a great quarterback but like the clock striking midnight for Cinderella , as the confetti was being swept up on Super Bowl Sunday the morphing back into Average Joe was complete.

[rlh445]

Any quarterback can get on a roll for four games.

 

Flacco picked an opportune time to start playing like a great quarterback but like the clock striking midnight for Cinderella , as the confetti was being swept up on Super Bowl Sunday the morphing back into Average Joe was complete.

 

I'd be interested to see your obviously well researched breakdown on the myriad of quarterbacks that routinely tie Joe Montana's records in the playoffs.  Please, please post your findings.