Joe Flacco is the man

[GrimCoconut]

This is a great article about the ravens qb and totally supports why I was hoping that we had put the franchise tag on Flacco and hoped the Browns or some other team would have given us there first to get him.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#story/bs-sp-preston-column-ravens-1104-20131103/

In all reality we would have had enough cap space for the years that are coming for future talent... Make no mistake Flacco had a great playoff run last year but we are now seeing what he does without his security blanket of Boldin Pitta and luck of Jones of last year.

Well, Flacco is still a great QB and every QB needs a supporting cast. That's par for the course. No QB can do it alone. Look at Brady, Manning, and Brees and even Rodgers.

[SecretAgentMan]

Well, Flacco is still a great QB and every QB needs a supporting cast. That's par for the course. No QB can do it alone. Look at Brady, Manning, and Brees and even Rodgers.

And for any of  those who refute this

 

Manning in his prime had Wayne, Harrison, and Clark

Brady had Welker, Moss, and a solid TE Watson

Brees had LT. And now has Colston, Graham, Sproles

Manning has Thomas, Decker, Welker, Julius

Brady last year had Welker, Lloyd, Gronk, Hernandez

Rodgers had(he's hurt) Cobb, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, and at one point Greg Jennings

 

Good QBs make the 3s and the fours, but all these guys had legit #1s and #2s. Flacco doesn't have a #2 that's HEALTHY.

[Militant X 1]

This is a great article about the ravens qb and totally supports why I was hoping that we had put the franchise tag on Flacco and hoped the Browns or some other team would have given us there first to get him.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#story/bs-sp-preston-column-ravens-1104-20131103/

In all reality we would have had enough cap space for the years that are coming for future talent... Make no mistake Flacco had a great playoff run last year but we are now seeing what he does without his security blanket of Boldin Pitta and luck of Jones of last year.

 

article: In fact, Flacco has played like he has throughout most of his career where he has been inconsistent and streaky. He has been far from elite. Overall, he is a good quarterback, but his play varies from game to game, half to half and even quarter to quarter.

 

^ on the money!

 

#Mili

[theFRANCHISE]

Everyone talks about the contract and blames Flacco for asking for that kind of money.

 

If you were offered the opportunity for a raise at your job, wouldn't you want the same? Why should Flacco catch heat for accepting the market value for a Super Bowl MVP QB who tied an NFL postseason record after winning back-to-back division titles and making consecutive playoff appearances?

 

If you want something to blame, blame the market for an NFL QB. If you want a person to blame, don't blame Flacco; blame Mark Sanchez's agent for negotiating a contract extension far above his value up to that point, while Sanchez himself set a low bar for Flacco to far surpass.

 

You hate Flacco now and say you were all "right all along" about him, but you weren't saying these things when you were enjoying the bask of his championship glow. This doesn't preclude him from criticism; rather, these accolades should exclude him from undue criticism.

 

Don't blame Flacco for the team's struggles if you won't also point the finger at everyone else who shares a hand in it. Don't blame Flacco if you won't also give him credit for the things he does well.

[FerrariFan87]

Yeah, it's all Flacco's fault that the defense couldn't stop the Browns in their last drive... same with Pittsburgh... and Green Bay.

 

Of course he's partially to blame for the offense's horrendous performance, but he's FAR from our biggest problem, and his contract really has nothing to do with it.

[Ravensfanspls]

Everyone talks about the contract and blames Flacco for asking for that kind of money.

 

If you were offered the opportunity for a raise at your job, wouldn't you want the same? Why should Flacco catch heat for accepting the market value for a Super Bowl MVP QB who tied an NFL postseason record after winning back-to-back division titles and making consecutive playoff appearances?

 

If you want something to blame, blame the market for an NFL QB. If you want a person to blame, don't blame Flacco; blame Mark Sanchez's agent for negotiating a contract extension far above his value up to that point, while Sanchez himself set a low bar for Flacco to far surpass.

 

You hate Flacco now and say you were all "right all along" about him, but you weren't saying these things when you were enjoying the bask of his championship glow. This doesn't preclude him from criticism; rather, these accolades should exclude him from undue criticism.

 

Don't blame Flacco for the team's struggles if you won't also point the finger at everyone else who shares a hand in it. Don't blame Flacco if you won't also give him credit for the things he does well.

I get so sick of all the people that don't know much about football they listen to one idiot say these things and BAM! its everywhere. All you ever hear is we lost all these players because of Flacco, He's not worth the money, He ruined this team. Drives me damn near insane. I usually just act like i don't know anything about football when people start talking about Flacco these days. It's working out quite well.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Yeah, it's all Flacco's fault that the defense couldn't stop the Browns in their last drive... same with Pittsburgh... and Green Bay.  i see what you did there.....forgot to put bills game here?...pretty sure defense did their job on that game

 

Of course he's partially to blame for the offense's horrendous performance, but he's FAR from our biggest problem, and his contract really has nothing to do with it.

 

and thats all i ask.  that people understand flacco is part of the problem.   he needs to get better as much as everyone else in this team.  

[Sami84]

Im going to be honest. I think manziel is going to be a clutch version of tony romo. Id give flacco away for a first rounder and save us a tonne of money for the future. Flacco is what he is. An inconsistant qb. Take out his playoff run last year and you see the true picture. Oh and no, if i loved my team id never "take it to them, and want 120 mill" . His agent, joe linta has quite a rep too.

[ravensdfan]

 

Yeah, it's all Flacco's fault that the defense couldn't stop the Browns in their last drive... same with Pittsburgh... and Green Bay.  i see what you did there.....forgot to put bills game here?...pretty sure defense did their job on that game

 

Of course he's partially to blame for the offense's horrendous performance, but he's FAR from our biggest problem, and his contract really has nothing to do with it.

 

and thats all i ask.  that people understand flacco is part of the problem.   he needs to get better as much as everyone else in this team.  

 

 

Of course the Bills game isn't there.

 

Defense eats 3 of our 5 losses. GB, Pitt and Browns.

Entire team eats Denver.

Offense and/or Flacco I don't care which way you want to spin it, eats the Buffalo game.

 

For the record, Flacco did get better against the Browns. He was responsible all on his own for the majority of our first downs. We had 19. We made 11 first downs passing and Flacco made another 2 or 3 (don't feel like looking it up right now) with his feet.

 

The defense got the ball with 6 minutes and 45 seconds left. They couldn't get off the field. This loss sits on the defense. You want to criticize Flacco and that's fine when it's deserved. But no one around here holds the defense accountable at all and it's getting old. The defense apologists around here far outweigh the Flacco apologists. Some are even in serious denial.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Of course the Bills game isn't there.

 

Defense eats 3 of our 5 losses. GB, Pitt and Browns.

Entire team eats Denver.

Offense and/or Flacco I don't care which way you want to spin it, eats the Buffalo game.

 

For the record, Flacco did get better against the Browns. He was responsible all on his own for the majority of our first downs. We had 19. We made 11 first downs passing and Flacco made another 2 or 3 (don't feel like looking it up right now) with his feet.

 

The defense got the ball with 6 minutes and 45 seconds left. They couldn't get off the field. This loss sits on the defense. You want to criticize Flacco and that's fine when it's deserved. But no one around here holds the defense accountable at all and it's getting old. The defense apologists around here far outweigh the Flacco apologists. Some are even in serious denial.

 

In your head this really must make sense to you.   

[Poes Crows]

Im going to be honest. I think manziel is going to be a clutch version of tony romo. Id give flacco away for a first rounder and save us a tonne of money for the future. Flacco is what he is. An inconsistant qb. Take out his playoff run last year and you see the true picture. Oh and no, if i loved my team id never "take it to them, and want 120 mill" . His agent, joe linta has quite a rep too.

 

Manziel is going to be a huge NFL BUST

 

Let's not encourage our aimless Front Office with Manzeal

[Ravensfanspls]

I love how we are having one rough season and people want to get rid of our SB MVP QB... You people make me sick. Say what you will about Flacco but if it wasn't for that man we WOULD NOT of won last years super bowl. I hate fans like this seriously.

[Sami84]

I love how we are having one rough season and people want to get rid of our SB MVP QB... You people make me sick. Say what you will about Flacco but if it wasn't for that man we WOULD NOT of won last years super bowl. I hate fans like this seriously.

Here is the thing. He has been playing like this for years. Outside of 2010 when he generaly had a good season hes never actualy had anything more then above average seasons. He is capable of playing good in spurts but he is inconsistant and for every 2 good games he plays he plays 2 stinkers the next. That purple patch in the playoffs should not negate the fact that we have been on flaccos back for years because he has generaly been average.

[Ravensfanspls]

Here is the thing. He has been playing like this for years. Outside of 2010 when he generaly had a good season hes never actualy had anything more then above average seasons. He is capable of playing good in spurts but he is inconsistant and for every 2 good games he plays he plays 2 stinkers the next. That purple patch in the playoffs should not negate the fact that we have been on flaccos back for years because he has generaly been average.

Actually even with your logic yes it should lol. But you're crazy.. This guy wins games how many times has he had those game winning drives? Or have Evans or Houshmandzadeh dropped big passes. This guy is easily a top 10 QB in this league if not higher.. Just because he doesn't put up Brees numbers every week he sucks? I'm pretty sure even with Brees's video game numbers last year they missed the playoffs...This is our QB for the next 10 years and i am completely fortunate and happy to say that and so should all of you.

[gabefergy]

I find it hilarious that people want to peg Flacco as being inconsistent, but ignore the fact that our RBs are averaging 2.7 YPC. 2.7!!!! How can any QB be consistent with that type of support? The fact that we are even in these games is solely due to to Flacco and he is dealing with probably the worst situation of any QB in the NFL besides Chad Henne.

[PolishRifle]

I find it hilarious that people want to peg Flacco as being inconsistent, but ignore the fact that our RBs are averaging 2.7 YPC. 2.7!!!! How can any QB be consistent with that type of support? The fact that we are even in these games is solely due to to Flacco and he is dealing with probably the worst situation of any QB in the NFL besides Chad Henne.

 

I think Joe was great in the second half of that game against the Browns. He wasn't in the first, though. I feel, if he had played well in the whole game, we atleast would've been in a better position to win.

 

I am not pegging on Flacco here. I'm a huge Flacco supporter, but he played really well in the second and had a really bad first half and it certainly isn't the first game he performed like that.

 

Yes, the running game is bad, but the passing game isn't putting the fear of god in defenses either. If we set up the run better with the pass, Rice will have more success rushing.

[gabefergy]

I think Joe was great in the second half of that game against the Browns. He wasn't in the first, though. I feel, if he had played well in the whole game, we atleast would've been in a better position to win.

I am not pegging on Flacco here. I'm a huge Flacco supporter, but he played really well in the second and had a really bad first half and it certainly isn't the first game he performed like that.

Yes, the running game is bad, but the passing game isn't putting the fear of god in defenses either. If we set up the run better with the pass, Rice will have more success rushing.

I'm not saying he played great, because he didn't but we tried to use that approach and we couldnt even run against a six man box. We don't have enough weapons in the passing game to really threaten defenses without any sembalnce of being able to run the ball. NFL defenses are too good when you are completely one dimensional on offense.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

a QB can't do his job without supporting cast playing at least decent

a QB cannot win you (close) games in the 4th if he hasn't got the ball in his hands

a QB with Joe's level of play and cap hit for the first three years is more than a franchise can wish for

[arnie_uk]

I think Joe was great in the second half of that game against the Browns. He wasn't in the first, though. I feel, if he had played well in the whole game, we atleast would've been in a better position to win.
 
I am not pegging on Flacco here. I'm a huge Flacco supporter, but he played really well in the second and had a really bad first half and it certainly isn't the first game he performed like that.
 
Yes, the running game is bad, but the passing game isn't putting the fear of god in defenses either. If we set up the run better with the pass, Rice will have more success rushing.

did you not notice the shift in the play calling in the second half tho? They used quicker shorter passes over the middle, more attempts of 5 to 8 yards on first down putting us second and short.

Now that is not excusing flacco in any way because that was one of the worst 28 minutes of a half i think I've seen for him until the td drive. But I don't think this offense, both passing and running is being put in a position to succeed. If one of the run game or pass game stayed at a high level consistently you could say one person ie joe or ray is playing poorly.

But when both are crapping the bed regularly that's down to scheme, coaching, play calling.

[Richmond_Raven]

I love how we are having one rough season and people want to get rid of our SB MVP QB... You people make me sick. Say what you will about Flacco but if it wasn't for that man we WOULD NOT of won last years super bowl. I hate fans like this seriously.

Preach

[codizzle]

Hey!!!! All of you need to stop hating on our leading rusher, aight?

[1/28/01]

Everyone sucks. Flacco is not absolved of his poor play because of a single playoff run. Was it awesome? Yes, but stop whining when he gets lambasted for playing like the rest of his regular season career has dictated.

[Tank 92]

Everyone sucks. Flacco is not absolved of his poor play because of a single playoff run. Was it awesome? Yes, but stop whining when he gets lambasted for playing like the rest of his regular season career has dictated.

 

 

If you think Flacco has been consistently performing badly as the O line and RBs have been you must not be watching the games.

[Hardbaugh]

I love how we are having one rough season and people want to get rid of our SB MVP QB... You people make me sick. Say what you will about Flacco but if it wasn't for that man we WOULD NOT of won last years super bowl. I hate fans like this seriously.

 

Don't fall off the soapbox it may hurt!

 

When teams pay for past performance they are in danger of making big mistakes. The contract is gross overpayment and will haunt the team for years to come. 

 

Whomever thought up the idea of flushing 4 or 5 seasons down the toilet for a Super Bowl victory that has already passed should never be able to make another personnel decision again.    If the Ravens can't compete with Flacco's contract this season and next they are in big trouble.  2016 and beyond numbers are laughable as well as the 20.1 AAV.

 

The front office didn't have the stomach to make the right choice which was float him out there and let the market decide his numbers. The Ravens would have received two firsts if he went elsewhere and would have been in much better shape going forward as a franchise.

 

History will decide who is correct whether it be the few dissenters or the Flacco apologists.  My money is on the few dissenters who's population is growing with every game.

[The Raven]

Saying this as a realist and not a Flacco fanboy.

 

Joe is carrying the offense on his damn back and it is not even arguable. Joe, Torrey, and Marlon are the only players that haven't been disappointments on offense. Give Joe a line and you'll see him light people up. He doesn't even need a run game. Give him protection and one more semi-reliable receiver and he will dominate. 

 

Yes, I know he hasn't played well at points. I know he's struggled. But look at the protection he gets, or rather, the protection he doesn't get.

[callahan09]

Flacco was inconsistent until he threw the INT.  After the INT, he was brilliant.

 

He wasn't bad leading up to that INT, he was up and down.  He made some beautiful plays, and he also left some plays on the field.  The first pass of the game was a little behind Jones.  I've seen Tom Brady do that a hundred times, it happens.  Sometimes the receiver still catches it, and this ball wasn't impossible to catch, but it just didn't happen.

 

The second pass of the game was unplayable, no chance of it being caught.  There we have a 3 and out.  Not a good start to the game.

 

But then on the next drive, he throws a couple beauties and we have our first 1st down of the game.  So we go from 2 bad plays to 2 good ones, then we have another bad one, behind Thompson, potential pick, but the defender doesn't make the play on it.  So we're down again.  But then on the very next play, he completes a beautiful pass while scrambling on the run to Doss for a first down.  We're up again.

 

The drive stalls when he throws it to far out wide for Brown, but this could just have easily been a safe placement of the throw because Brown was very well covered.  No chance at a play for the offense or defense on this one.  3rd down, absolutely nobody is even remotely open and 3 pass rushers get in from all sides to sack Flacco.  We get a field goal.

 

Next drive, Flacco throws to the coverage side of Dickson, poor placement, but no way Dickson would have caught it on his other shoulder either, the coverage was too good.  Next throw, backed up into his own end zone and with a defender right in his face, he tries to throw under duress to an open Doss underneath but he misses him due to the pressure in his face and needing to try to loft it over the head of the defender right in front of him, and it wouldn't have been a first down anyway.  That's a 3 and out.  Neither of the passes on this drive were good, but they were also hung out to dry situations where there was really no positive play he could have made.  Flacco did nothing positive on this drive, but the whole drive was a failed effort and nothing he could have done would have made the result any different.  At least he didn't get sacked for a safety or turn the ball over deep in our own territory.

 

The next drive, on first down we have a rushing play for a loss, so Flacco's 2nd down nice completion to Jones isn't good enough for a first down due to the over-10 yards needed, setting up 3rd down, where a free rusher comes straight up the middle and sacks him for a 3 and out drive.  This 3 and out was in no way Flacco's fault.

 

On the following drive, Flacco throws a quick release to Rice but he's tackled as soon as the ball arrives right at the line of scrimmage.  Next play, Flacco throws to Smith's left while Smith breaks out of his route to the right, this doesn't look at all like an inaccurate throw, but a miscommunication, Flacco thought Smith was going to break left, but he broke right.  Next play, Flacco is running for his life and just throws the ball away.  3 and out.

 

Following drive, he is under massive pressure again and gets hit while throwing and it's just an incompletion, but on the next play he scrambles for a first down.  The next play is that ridiculous decision to throw into triple coverage, for some reason the ball comes out weird and doesn't go nearly far enough downfield and gets tipped, then picked off.  Bad decision and a bad throw.

 

The point of this recap is to show how there was a lot of up and down mixed in there.  He had some missed plays, but he also had a lot of really good plays, and plenty of plays where he was just hung out to dry by the pass protection, and even a couple plays where the coverage was just legitimately too good to make anything out of.

 

After that interception, it was like a light came on.  He played great for the rest of the game, missing on only 3 passes that I saw, and 2 of them look like they were just miscommunication issues with the receiver's expected route.

 

He made lots of great plays, still under lots of pressure.  After his one legitimate overthrow he throws a perfect strike to Dickson who bobbles and drops it, and then on the following play Yanda and Rice totally fail on their blocks and he gets sacked, forcing us to punt.

 

We entered the second half of this game down by just 4 and Flacco plays a great 2nd half, but the running game doesn't even manage to get 20 yards, the offensive line has him running for his life and getting sacked on 3rd downs, Dickson drops a key first down reception, and we STILL had a great chance to win the game if the defense could just have gotten the ball back to us with nearly 7 minutes and 3 timeouts in our pocket, but they failed.

 

I absolutely think that PFF's score of Flacco being the worst player on our team for this game is ridiculous.  He played an up-and-down first half and a great second half while the offensive line, run game, special teams, and defense never played well at any point in the game, which to me means that while Flacco didn't play perfectly, he wasn't our worst piece of the puzzle by a long shot.

[Ravensfanspls]

Don't fall off the soapbox it may hurt!

 

When teams pay for past performance they are in danger of making big mistakes. The contract is gross overpayment and will haunt the team for years to come. 

 

Whomever thought up the idea of flushing 4 or 5 seasons down the toilet for a Super Bowl victory that has already passed should never be able to make another personnel decision again.    If the Ravens can't compete with Flacco's contract this season and next they are in big trouble.  2016 and beyond numbers are laughable as well as the 20.1 AAV.

 

The front office didn't have the stomach to make the right choice which was float him out there and let the market decide his numbers. The Ravens would have received two firsts if he went elsewhere and would have been in much better shape going forward as a franchise.

 

History will decide who is correct whether it be the few dissenters or the Flacco apologists.  My money is on the few dissenters who's population is growing with every game.

:lol3:

[1/28/01]

If you think Flacco has been consistently performing badly as the O line and RBs have been you must not be watching the games.

Okay, where did I say that? At all? Like even once?

[cursona pirate]

And for any of  those who refute this

 

Manning in his prime had Wayne, Harrison, and Clark

Brady had Welker, Moss, and a solid TE Watson

Brees had LT. And now has Colston, Graham, Sproles

Manning has Thomas, Decker, Welker, Julius

Brady last year had Welker, Lloyd, Gronk, Hernandez

Rodgers had(he's hurt) Cobb, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, and at one point Greg Jennings

 

Good QBs make the 3s and the fours, but all these guys had legit #1s and #2s. Flacco doesn't have a #2 that's HEALTHY.

Thread closed. 

[Tank 92]

Okay, where did I say that? At all? Like even once?

 

 

Yeah, OK.  Guess I misinterpreted "everyone sucks".