Joe Flacco is the man

[jimjim5]

Brady has Bellicheck and Josh McDaniels

Flacco has JOHN Harbaugh and Caldwell

big difference there.....

I love joe, I think he is a solid Qb when he has receiving, blocking, rushing and a defense, Lets compare to Brady, he has no blocking no receiving, no defense, Oh forgot he is 6 and 2, Joe cant carry a team, Take away Boldin from his playoff run and guess what ! But no sense in arguing .

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I agree its happening, we are hoping for 8 and 8 this year . Thats whats happeneing !!

 

You might be hoping for 8-8. Im expecting AT LEAST 9-7, maybe 10-6.

 

You really cant blame this on Flacco. Hes got no running game to balance the offense and keep the defense from teeing off on him... which can be overcome with great O-line play.

 

Unfortunately the O-Line is the absolute worst in the league right now, which can be overcome to an extent if you've got receivers and TE's that consistently get open and have great chemistry...

 

Which unfortunately we only have 1 in Torrey Smith. Everyone else can pretty much be contained in man coverage and don't have joes trust yet to be open immediately.

 

But that can be overcome with an effective run game and play action...... oh wait.... mmmm. Strong Defense?

 

Yea that's it. Joes got no excuse bc he has a good defense!

[ravensdfan]

I love joe, I think he is a solid Qb when he has receiving, blocking, rushing and a defense, Lets compare to Brady, he has no blocking no receiving, no defense, Oh forgot he is 6 and 2, Joe cant carry a team, Take away Boldin from his playoff run and guess what ! But no sense in arguing .

 

Again with the credit to the QB thing.

 

Brady has an actual O line and a running game. Not to mention, aside from one less TD and 2 more INTs Joe has a better completion percentage, longer average and more yards. How is Brady getting it done exactly?

 

We're getting better production than Boldin this year out of Doss & Brown on the cheap.

 

You're right, no sense in arguing because you don't have anthing to back up your position.

[callahan09]

I love joe, I think he is a solid Qb when he has receiving, blocking, rushing and a defense, Lets compare to Brady, he has no blocking no receiving, no defense, Oh forgot he is 6 and 2, Joe cant carry a team, Take away Boldin from his playoff run and guess what ! But no sense in arguing .

No defense???  New England is ranked #5 in the NFL in scoring defense this season.

 

His team is allowing 3.1 points per game less than the Ravens, and what do you know, the Ravens lost 3 games by a field goal!  Perhaps if the Ravens had the New England defense Joe Flacco would be 6-1 right now?  And the Patriots have won 3 games by a field goal, so if they had the Ravens defense, perhaps Tom Brady would be 3-5 right now?  Who can say...

 

Tom Brady has no blocking?  Prove it... He looks like he's got plenty of time to me, but I can't find any stats for this season in terms of time to throw/time to sack, etc.  His offensive line can run block better than ours, that's for sure... His team is gaining 4.16 yards per carry, while Flacco is benefiting from the worst run game in the NFL averaging just 2.80 yards per carry.  Flacco's offensive line has been the worst in the league this year according to PFF and other metrics, and my eye test would agree with that assessment.

 

Flacco and Brady's woes are approximately equal in terms of the offensive weapons they have to work with.

 

And Brady's passing numbers are *worse than* Joe's.

 

If you want to see why Brady's winning games and Flacco isn't, look to their run game and defense.  The differences there are crucial to the difference in their win/loss record.

[callahan09]

 

Who wants to play the quarterback bias game? Below, I've listed quotes about anonymous QBs by Gregg Rosenthall and ranked them according to how the QBs look based on what's written about them. Try to guess the QB. Color emphasis is put on positives and negatives. 

 

_____ has been surgical

_____ has played at an exceptionally high level over the last month, with the first half in the [opponent] game a small exception.

_____ had an incredible first five weeks before a dip in play.

______ has been sensational, but his performance against [opponent] was the first sign that the weight of carrying an awful team is getting to him.

_____ could not have played much better the last three weeks, but I don't want to give him a total pass on uneven performances in September.

_____ played two of the best games of his career before [last week's] game, and he's been more consistent overall.

_____ has been surprisingly fun to watch. He made a number of excellent throws in [game]

_____ has enjoyed strong stretches of play before, but never quite this strong

_____ has steadily improved after a slow start.

_____ has enjoyed some high moments, but have struggled to maintain them

_____ has more interceptions than touchdown throws, but he makes five plays every week that no other quarterback can make

______ has made a ton of great throws this season and a ton of terrible decisions. He received some protection last week, and he looked like himself. Look for him to close stronger. 

_____ has been better than expected, although I wasn't expecting much.

_____ makes just enough plays, but his numbers and overall accuracy are worse

______ is in a difficult situation, but he's not overcoming it. He has missed key throws that have stalled drives.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273605/article/the-quarterback-index-its-peyton-mannings-year

 

This is how I demonstrate my opinion rather than just say it bluntly. I don't think Flacco gets a fair shake.

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing this.  Rosenthal is ridiculous.  He always seems to go out of his way to either disparage or at least not give due credit to the Ravens in any way he can.

 

This is how I demonstrate my opinion rather than just say it bluntly. I don't think Flacco gets a fair shake.

 

 

All he can say about Flacco is that he's "not overcoming a difficult situation?"  This after the last time Flacco saw the football field, he led his team on a 73-yard game-tying touchdown drive on the road against the division rival #3 ranked defense?  That's not "overcoming a difficult situation?"  Not his fault he didn't win the game because he never saw the ball again as his defense & special teams let the opponent march down the field and score the winning points with no time left on the clock.  I'd say that not "difficult" to overcome... but rather, impossible.

[gabefergy]

I agree its happening, we are hoping for 8 and 8 this year . Thats whats happeneing !!

This isn't even worth a response. You wouldnt recognize good QB play if it slapped you in the face, that much is painfully obvious.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

Again with the credit to the QB thing.

 

Brady has an actual O line and a running game. Not to mention, aside from one less TD and 2 more INTs Joe has a better completion percentage, longer average and more yards. How is Brady getting it done exactly?

 

We're getting better production than Boldin this year out of Doss & Brown on the cheap.

 

You're right, no sense in arguing because you don't have anthing to back up your position.

Just another stat junkie

 

This isn't even worth a response. You wouldnt recognize good QB play if it slapped you in the face, that much is painfully obvious.

Played QB at clemson and your right no sense in arguing with another sideline barker

[gabefergy]

Just another stat junkie

Played QB at clemson and your right no sense in arguing with another sideline barker

For your intramural flag football team?

[ravensdfan]

Just another stat junkie

 

Played QB at clemson and your right no sense in arguing with another sideline barker

 

Well I can also mention all the intangibles that you have failed to notice.

 

How much better his pocket awareness has been.

How much better he's been avoiding pressure.

How he's making plays with his feet when the play breaks down.

How we are in the top 5 for dropped passes.

 

I still see however, that while you like to throw out veiled insults to people, you've yet to produce a shred of evidence to back up your claim.

 

Typical.

[cursona pirate]

For your intramural flag football team?

AW SNAP!!!

[Purple_ICE 81]

Flacco has been hit harder than most of my golf balls, and gets up and looks for more. He is approaching John Unitas turf with his toughness.

 

Stats are great, but Joe looks at times, like a point guard. We have a weak o line ( the Ravens first in season trade) that needs help. Our running game is  subpar, and we have one WR, and a couple of rookies learning the ropes.

 

Joe is putting the ball in the correct place, under near constant pressure. He gets hit by two defenders at once several times a game.

 

He is worth the $$$$$$, and is underrated by every one but Ron Jaworski.

 

And me !

YES. We need to become more pass happy, put the ball in Joes hands and build around him this offseason. Its time to load Flacco up with weapons just as every other big name QB in this league has. Outside of Torrey Smith, Ray Rice. Dennis Pitta and maybe Marlon Brown...our offense is quite mediocre. Hopefully we concentrate on o-line and receivers this offseason. We cant win when our offense cant move the chains consistently and generate more than a couple Tds. Flacco is worth the money but we need to get better usage out of him and give him the weapons he needs and deserves to prove himself indeed worthy.

[1/28/01]

Everyone sucks, but I shouldnt be nervous on every drop back that its gonna be an undethrow or a pick.

[Bltravens]

I love joe, I think he is a solid Qb when he has receiving, blocking, rushing and a defense, Lets compare to Brady, he has no blocking no receiving, no defense, Oh forgot he is 6 and 2, Joe cant carry a team, Take away Boldin from his playoff run and guess what ! But no sense in arguing .

Brady has one of the best blocking lines over the last decade.  What are you talking about?  

[BallHawker]

How is Joe so inaccurate? Even more than JASON CAMPBELL! He missed so many open WRs running crossing patterns.

[jimjim5]

How is Joe so inaccurate? Even more than JASON CAMPBELL! He missed so many open WRs running crossing patterns.

Maybe because he was running for his life?

[theFRANCHISE]

Played QB at clemson and your right no sense in arguing with another sideline barker

 

A lot of people here have played college football.

 

A lot of people here also aren't playing in the NFL.

 

So, everyone's in the same boat.

 

Let's please stick to debating the topic, not debating each other's credentials.

[gabefergy]

How is Joe so inaccurate? Even more than JASON CAMPBELL! He missed so many open WRs running crossing patterns.

It's kind of hard to say how open any receivers were just watching the broadcast. He missed a couple of throws and I have no clue what he was thinking on that INT, but he was under duress constantly. It's happened all year really. No running game. Playing from behind. The defenses can just pin their ears back and rush the QB behind a shaky OL. It's not a formula for success.

[flaccopoe]

If Flacco played for almost any other team, he would be killing it right now.  Imagine what he could do in NYG with Cruz, Myers, Nicks and Randle...

[Guest RBates]

Maybe because he was running for his life?

Not at all what game were you watching?

[Guest RBates]

If Flacco played for almost any other team, he would be killing it right now.  Imagine what he could do in NYG with Cruz, Myers, Nicks and Randle...

Exactly what Eli is doing they are about the same player. Joe is a little better. 

[flaccopoe]

Exactly what Eli is doing they are about the same player. Joe is a little better. 

 

Except Eli has 6 more INT and 1 more lost fumble than Flacco, despite having a MUCH better receiving corps.

[Guest RBates]

Except Eli has 6 more INT and 1 more lost fumble than Flacco, despite having a MUCH better receiving corps.

I did say Joe is a little better.  Not much.  They both are average QB's

[Guest RBates]

YES. We need to become more pass happy, put the ball in Joes hands and build around him this offseason. Its time to load Flacco up with weapons just as every other big name QB in this league has. Outside of Torrey Smith, Ray Rice. Dennis Pitta and maybe Marlon Brown...our offense is quite mediocre. Hopefully we concentrate on o-line and receivers this offseason. We cant win when our offense cant move the chains consistently and generate more than a couple Tds. Flacco is worth the money but we need to get better usage out of him and give him the weapons he needs and deserves to prove himself indeed worthy.

Its really not as i have stated in other threads we lose games when Flacco has over 40 attempts a game.  He's not that kind of QB  but he is paid like he is.

[Guest RBates]

Joe Flacco use to be a great game manager that has a deep ball.  Now, I think he is reaching trying to live up to a contract that he knows he doesn't deserve.

 

 I'm sorry that Hail Mary in the middle of the field was the dumbest play i have seen in a while.  It looked like a end of half or end of game bomb. 

[Hardbaugh]

Joe Flacco use to be a great game manager that has a deep ball.  Now, I think he is reaching trying to live up to a contract that he knows he doesn't deserve.

 

 I'm sorry that Hail Mary in the middle of the field was the dumbest play i have seen in a while.  It looked like a end of half or end of game bomb. 

 

 

On the mark here!

 

Joe in the past had enough cast around him to make up for the warts in his game. Cam tried to hide Joe's weaknesses, he knew his game, he understood Joe was limited.   Joe sought the highest payday in football and will never be able to live up to that contract because putting up gaudy numbers will never be his type of game. He is too inconsistent with his ball placement and accuracy.   The great quarterbacks have the ability to stack 65 plus completion Pct. seasons something Joe has never met.  This is all Joes doing because of the contract he demanded.

 

I would have had much more respect for him if he like Ray Rice said I feel I'm worth more but will settle for this.  Rice is a team player , Flacco cashed in and took care of himself at the teams expense.

 

What ever happened to the "Joe just wins"  crowd?  I guess hiding under the same rock as the " Joe will turn it on in his sixth year" gang.

 

Like I have always said , Joe  is a mediocre quarterback that got paid way too much and benefited by the cast around him.

 

When his real money kicks in and the Ravens jettison other talent that should be here like Boldin, the chickens will be coming home to roost. We haven't seen anything yet.

[kassaiscool]

It gets on my nerves when people make excuses for flacco. Throughout Joes career he has consistently under thrown, overthrown, and just flat out missed wrs wide open. Think about if Joe was drafted by the bucs or something. Do you think he would even have anything similar to this contract? I don't think so. He came into a great situation, but to be honest I don't trust him even as a vet now. He has greatly benefited from this organization, great defense over the years, great owner, solid talent on offense and to his credit he won a super bowl. But to me hes a very average qb on a consistently good team. His stats also back up what I'm saying, and weirdly his stats have been regressing as hes going into his prime years.

[arnie_uk]

It gets on my nerves when people make excuses for flacco. Throughout Joes career he has consistently under thrown, overthrown, and just flat out missed wrs wide open. Think about if Joe was drafted by the bucs or something. Do you think he would even have anything similar to this contract? I don't think so. He came into a great situation, but to be honest I don't trust him even as a vet now. He has greatly benefited from this organization, great defense over the years, great owner, solid talent on offense and to his credit he won a super bowl. But to me hes a very average qb on a consistently good team. His stats also back up what I'm saying, and weirdly his stats have been regressing as hes going into his prime years.

great situation? Your having a laugh

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

For your intramural flag football team?

yep thats it , were is all the trash talk this morning , guess i do know what i am talking about !!

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

Well I can also mention all the intangibles that you have failed to notice.

 

How much better his pocket awareness has been.

How much better he's been avoiding pressure.

How he's making plays with his feet when the play breaks down.

How we are in the top 5 for dropped passes.

 

I still see however, that while you like to throw out veiled insults to people, you've yet to produce a shred of evidence to back up your claim.

 

Typical.

guess i knew what i was talking about huh ..........how about yesterday for evidence !!!!!........now who knows what there talking about ??

[Speed Kills]

I have been saying this entire thread that Flacco has played mediocre this year and the mediocrity continued yesterday. He HAS to be better for this football team to win. The good? he made some nice plays on the touchdown drives and the nice two point conversion that kept the game close the whole way. The bad? We never had the lead, he missed more than a few throws including that HORRIBLE int. and once again he started the game TERRIBLY by leading the offense to 3 and out after 3 and out drive. It definitely isn't his fault we lost the game, that falls on the defense for not getting off the field and giving him one more chance and for Tandon botching that punt that led to a TD, but if he just plays better in the first half then maybe he doesn't need that one more chance at the end.