Joe Flacco is the man

[ratedr]

Even Brady can't save his receivers, and Brady actually has a good OL and a run game

[ROH522155]

I have HardBaugh blocked but I can't help but read his posts anyway. It's like a terrible car crash. It hurts to look, but you just can't turn away.

[Speed Kills]

He is not even remotely being outplayed by Andy Dalton.  You can't look at statistics.  There's more to the story than simple stat lines... there are 11 players on offense, and ALL of them are a factor in the quarterbacks stat line.

 

Dalton has had the benefit of AJ Green catching everything that comes his way, whereas Flacco has a lot of receivers who don't attack the ball and make a play on it.  Case in point, Flacco's pass to Jacoby Jones last week against the Steelers wasn't caught, because Jacoby doesn't go up after the ball, he keeps his hands low like he's cradling for a punt and waits for the ball to come to him.  On the other hand, Dalton throws a couple of very underthrown passes to Green the other day against the Jets, and Green goes up, attacks the ball, and comes down with them.  Green had to slow or stop his route and come back to the ball much more more so than Jacoby had to slow up for that ball I described...

 

The only difference between the QBs in this situation is that one can throw the ball worse and still have a top of the NFL receiver come down with it, and the other can throw a pretty good ball, and has no receivers to come down with it.  

 

Dalton also benefits from having a quality rushing game support him.  His team is gaining at least 3 yards on over 59% of their carries.  Flacco's team is gaining at least 3 yards on just 41% of their carries, which is the worst in the NFL, on top of being the worst yards per attempt in the NFL.  NFL average is 53% in terms of percentage of carries that go for 3+ yards, so Dalton's team is quite a bit above average, and Flacco's team is way below average (again, worst in the NFL).

 

Dalton has a quality O line, Flacco has the worst O line in the NFL.  The receiving talent on these two teams is a night and day difference.

 

Do you honestly think Flacco couldn't do what Dalton is doing if he was on the Bengals, or think that Dalton could do as well as Flacco is doing on this team?

Dalton was AFC player of the MONTH. He is having a great season, I know he has AJ Green, but he is having a better season than Flacco and you are crazy to think otherwise. He has better stats and more wins. End of discussion.

[callahan09]

Dalton was AFC player of the MONTH. He is having a great season, I know he has AJ Green, but he is having a better season than Flacco and you are crazy to think otherwise. He has better stats and more wins. End of discussion.

I don't care about some AFC Player of the Month award... these same awards are given out by people who decide things like the Pro Bowl... 2008, they select Kerry Collins, despite a rookie Joe Flacco being the first rookie in NFL history to start every game and bring his team to the playoffs, AND Flacco had the higher QB rating, more yards, and more touchdowns.

 

2009, they select Vince Young, who had a lower QB rating than Flacco, about half as many yards and half as many touchdowns, and fewer wins, as well as David Garrard who had a lower QB rating, fewer yards, and fewer touchdowns (and didn't even have a winning record).

 

2010, they select Matt Cassel over Flacco, who once again had a higher QB rating than the guy who got selected (as well as more wins and more yards, higher completion percentage and yards per attempt)

 

2011, they select rookie Andy Dalton (like they should have selected Flacco in his rookie year), only Dalton had, one again now, a lower QB rating than Flacco, fewer yards, more interceptions with the same number of touchdowns, and fewer wins (in addition to losing head to head to Flacco and getting swept by Flacco's team).

 

2012, they select rookie Andrew Luck (like they should have selected Flacco in his rookie year, again I say), only Luck had a much lower QB rating and was worse in each of the efficiency stats that goes into the QB rating (yards per attempt, completion percentage, touchdown percentage, and interception percentage), and his team won approximately the same number of games (both at 10 wins at Week 16 of the season, only Flacco didn't play most of the season finale, and Flacco had a 1st place schedule, Luck had a last place schedule).

 

I could make a case, as I just did, that Flacco should have been a Pro Bowler in all 5 of his seasons so far, and that each of those five seasons someone was picked over him that didn't deserve it more than him.

 

So I don't care who these people pick as the player of the month.  Dalton is benefiting hugely from a far superior offensive line, run game support, and receiving corps than Flacco is.  Dalton is playing well enough to take advantage of his decidedly advantageous situation.  Flacco is playing better than that, and making plays when everything around him is going rubbish.

[PolishRifle]

Dalton was AFC player of the MONTH. He is having a great season, I know he has AJ Green, but he is having a better season than Flacco and you are crazy to think otherwise. He has better stats and more wins. End of discussion.

 

The Ravens roster is all new and that takes alot of time to get used to. Joe lost some of his most reliable weapons and that does effect the way people play in general. If you look how Joe has been adjusting to the lackluster pass protection early in the season or the many drops (the whole reason this topic was started btw), the lack of run game or the way the coaches couldn't decide what the identity of the Baltimore Ravens offense would be (hopefully that is solved after that Steelers game), Joe does really well this season (better than most QBs do or did in comparable situations).

 

You might have a point that Dalton looks sharp this season and he probably deserves his AFC player of the month award, but the month is OCTOBER! Who cares!?! It kills me, when people talk how Joe has to live up to his contract. He already did last year by winning the Ravens a SB and don't try to tell me that he wasn't a crucial piece of that championship. The Cowboys and other teams pay their QBs way more just, because they think they have a chance to win ONE SB with their guys. We already have that. The fanbase seems really spoiled this season. Sorry, but that's how I feel when I see all the complains about Rice or Harbs. Geez.

[Speed Kills]

The Ravens roster is all new and that takes alot of time to get used to. Joe lost some of his most reliable weapons and that does effect the way people play in general. If you look how Joe has been adjusting to the lackluster pass protection early in the season or the many drops (the whole reason this topic was started btw), the lack of run game or the way the coaches couldn't decide what the identity of the Baltimore Ravens offense would be (hopefully that is solved after that Steelers game), Joe does really well this season (better than most QBs do or did in comparable situations).

 

You might have a point that Dalton looks sharp this season and he probably deserves his AFC player of the month award, but the month is OCTOBER! Who cares!?! It kills me, when people talk how Joe has to live up to his contract. He already did last year by winning the Ravens a SB and don't try to tell me that he wasn't a crucial piece of that championship. The Cowboys and other teams pay their QBs way more just, because they think they have a chance to win ONE SB with their guys. We already have that. The fanbase seems really spoiled this season. Sorry, but that's how I feel when I see all the complains about Rice or Harbs. Geez.

It equally kills me that we gave him that contract and people are so quick to make excuses for this offense and not place some of the blame on Joe. He makes 20 million dollars! I understand he is not the main problem, but it kills me that people think he is playing like a pro bowler when in reality he is not, he is playing mediocre. All i want is just a few people to recognize and acknowledge he needs to step up and play better since he isn't throwing the ball to pro bowlers. Your right I am spoiled. Part of the reason we paid him that contract is because he elevated his game in the postseason to historical great levels. I don't expect that kind of play every game, but I do expect from him what I have gotten in the past which is to elevate his game just high enough for us to win. Whether that means throwing for 300 yards and a few td's to outplay Tom Brady or throw for 155 yards to squeak out a win vs the browns. This year we are 3-4 and he isn't doing that as well as in the past. All I am saying is this needs to improve and he needs to lead this team to wins the second half of the year for us to make the playoffs. I expect him to do this and this to happen.

[AsianRice]

Dalton was AFC player of the MONTH. He is having a great season, I know he has AJ Green, but he is having a better season than Flacco and you are crazy to think otherwise. He has better stats and more wins. End of discussion.

lol....how many times Dalton bailed the team out when it really counts? 0

 

How many playoffs he wins? 0

 

MVP SB ring? opps....playoff winless

 

Dalton natural choker when game on his shoulder? yes..

 

Dalton Clutch? not in playoff...

 

 

Conclusion: Dalton is 2.0 Matty Ice....

[Tank 92]

lol....how many times Dalton bailed the team out when it really counts? 0

 

How many playoffs he wins? 0

 

MVP SB ring? opps....playoff winless

 

Dalton natural choker when game on his shoulder? yes..

 

Dalton Clutch? not in playoff...

 

 

Conclusion: Dalton is 2.0 Matty Ice....

 

 

Thank You. But I have to say, I think ryan is much better than dalton

 

Joe IS The Man!

[Tank 92]

I don't care about some AFC Player of the Month award... these same awards are given out by people who decide things like the Pro Bowl... 2008, they select Kerry Collins, despite a rookie Joe Flacco being the first rookie in NFL history to start every game and bring his team to the playoffs, AND Flacco had the higher QB rating, more yards, and more touchdowns.

 

2009, they select Vince Young, who had a lower QB rating than Flacco, about half as many yards and half as many touchdowns, and fewer wins, as well as David Garrard who had a lower QB rating, fewer yards, and fewer touchdowns (and didn't even have a winning record).

 

2010, they select Matt Cassel over Flacco, who once again had a higher QB rating than the guy who got selected (as well as more wins and more yards, higher completion percentage and yards per attempt)

 

2011, they select rookie Andy Dalton (like they should have selected Flacco in his rookie year), only Dalton had, one again now, a lower QB rating than Flacco, fewer yards, more interceptions with the same number of touchdowns, and fewer wins (in addition to losing head to head to Flacco and getting swept by Flacco's team).

 

2012, they select rookie Andrew Luck (like they should have selected Flacco in his rookie year, again I say), only Luck had a much lower QB rating and was worse in each of the efficiency stats that goes into the QB rating (yards per attempt, completion percentage, touchdown percentage, and interception percentage), and his team won approximately the same number of games (both at 10 wins at Week 16 of the season, only Flacco didn't play most of the season finale, and Flacco had a 1st place schedule, Luck had a last place schedule).

 

I could make a case, as I just did, that Flacco should have been a Pro Bowler in all 5 of his seasons so far, and that each of those five seasons someone was picked over him that didn't deserve it more than him.

 

So I don't care who these people pick as the player of the month.  Dalton is benefiting hugely from a far superior offensive line, run game support, and receiving corps than Flacco is.  Dalton is playing well enough to take advantage of his decidedly advantageous situation.  Flacco is playing better than that, and making plays when everything around him is going rubbish.

 

 

Dalton and the rest of the bungles have a butt whoopin' coming to them in a couple of weeks.  That will straighten out this BS.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

Brady, Stafford, Cutler, Luck, RG3, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Wilson, Newton then maybe Flacco

[Tank 92]

Brady, Stafford, Cutler, Luck, RG3, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Wilson, Newton then maybe Flacco

 

 

Mike, no offense, but I think you've bumped your head.

[GrimCoconut]

Brady, Stafford, Cutler, Luck, RG3, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Wilson, Newton then maybe Flacco

So you think Joe Flacco is the best quarterback in the NFL? I suppose that's debatable but I wouldn't necessarily agree. I assume you mean that because there's no way you can rank Newton, Wilson, RG3, Luck, Stafford, Cutler ahead of Joe.

[PurpleCityLights]

I'd just wish for one week this guy would put up numbers in line with the money the Ravens invested in him.


Flacco is 38th in quarterback rating. Quite frankly that sucks and if any other position on the team was in the top three pay scale of their respective position while in the same territory/ statistical rankings the Flacco fans would have their heads.

Flacco is an average Joe. Actually right now he's below average Joe.

True, but you know you cant talk bad about Flacco of Nazareth around here...

[gabefergy]

True, but you know you cant talk bad about Flacco of Nazareth around here...

You can talk bad all you want, but then you will be properly lambasted for not having a clue about football.

[Richmond_Raven]

True, but you know you cant talk bad about Flacco of Nazareth around here...

[AsianRice]

Thank You. But I have to say, I think ryan is much better than dalton

 

Joe IS The Man!

yeah, I forgot Ryan just won his first ever playoff last year since joining the league....it makes Dalton out of reach...

[JoeCool#5]

Dalton was AFC player of the MONTH. He is having a great season, I know he has AJ Green, but he is having a better season than Flacco and you are crazy to think otherwise. He has better stats and more wins. End of discussion.

Yeah Dalton is soo good, He can crap the bed with 3 ints and a fumble and STILL have a chance to win the game In OT. Yeah he is TOTALLY better than Flacco and his 9 playoff wins..

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

Mike, no offense, but I think you've bumped your head.

LOL....maybe but Joe is 8 and 8 in last 16 regular season games, so much for elite !!

[gabefergy]

LOL....maybe but Joe is 8 and 8 in last 16 regular season games, so much for elite !!

You seem to have forgotten about the best postseason performance ever by a QB. We'll let that slide though.

[ravensdfan]

LOL....maybe but Joe is 8 and 8 in last 16 regular season games, so much for elite !!

 

lol

 

Why are you throwing out the playoffs? Do they somehow not count?

 

I agree though. Flacco really needs to brush up on his defense, blocking, receiving and rushing in order to notch some wins.

 

Not to mention ST.

 

I do love how the Flacco Hating Society members love to give him all the credit for losses but claim he gets none for wns.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

lol

 

Why are you throwing out the playoffs? Do they somehow not count?

 

I agree though. Flacco really needs to brush up on his defense, blocking, receiving and rushing in order to notch some wins.

 

Not to mention ST.

 

I do love how the Flacco Hating Society members love to give him all the credit for losses but claim he gets none for wns.

I love joe, I think he is a solid Qb when he has receiving, blocking, rushing and a defense, Lets compare to Brady, he has no blocking no receiving, no defense, Oh forgot he is 6 and 2, Joe cant carry a team, Take away Boldin from his playoff run and guess what ! But no sense in arguing .

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

You seem to have forgotten about the best postseason performance ever by a QB. We'll let that slide though.

No way could I forgot anything, but this year we have to count on him as a big time leader and playmaker and guess what that aint happening is it ?

[MrPlankton]

I love joe, I think he is a solid Qb when he has receiving, blocking, rushing and a defense, Lets compare to Brady, he has no blocking no receiving, no defense, Oh forgot he is 6 and 2, Joe cant carry a team, Take away Boldin from his playoff run and guess what ! But no sense in arguing .

 

I don't think you've been watching the Patriots.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

So you think Joe Flacco is the best quarterback in the NFL? I suppose that's debatable but I wouldn't necessarily agree. I assume you mean that because there's no way you can rank Newton, Wilson, RG3, Luck, Stafford, Cutler ahead of Joe.

Cant argue with an expert on QB's !!

[hawkprey]

Who wants to play the quarterback bias game? Below, I've listed quotes about anonymous QBs by Gregg Rosenthall and ranked them according to how the QBs look based on what's written about them. Try to guess the QB. Color emphasis is put on positives and negatives. 

 

_____ has been surgical

_____ has played at an exceptionally high level over the last month, with the first half in the [opponent] game a small exception.

_____ had an incredible first five weeks before a dip in play.

______ has been sensational, but his performance against [opponent] was the first sign that the weight of carrying an awful team is getting to him.

_____ could not have played much better the last three weeks, but I don't want to give him a total pass on uneven performances in September.

_____ played two of the best games of his career before [last week's] game, and he's been more consistent overall.

_____ has been surprisingly fun to watch. He made a number of excellent throws in [game]

_____ has enjoyed strong stretches of play before, but never quite this strong

_____ has steadily improved after a slow start.

_____ has enjoyed some high moments, but have struggled to maintain them

_____ has more interceptions than touchdown throws, but he makes five plays every week that no other quarterback can make

______ has made a ton of great throws this season and a ton of terrible decisions. He received some protection last week, and he looked like himself. Look for him to close stronger. 

_____ has been better than expected, although I wasn't expecting much.

_____ makes just enough plays, but his numbers and overall accuracy are worse

______ is in a difficult situation, but he's not overcoming it. He has missed key throws that have stalled drives.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273605/article/the-quarterback-index-its-peyton-mannings-year

 

This is how I demonstrate my opinion rather than just say it bluntly. I don't think Flacco gets a fair shake.

[gabefergy]

No way could I forgot anything, but this year we have to count on him as a big time leader and playmaker and guess what that aint happening is it ?

It is happening actually.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

I don't think you've been watching the Patriots.

there not 6 and 2??

[GrimCoconut]

The only issue I really have with Joe is I don't see him making OL adjustments like some of the best in the game can. That's the one area I'd like to see him improve.

[MrPlankton]

there not 6 and 2??

 

They are but they have a serviceable running game and an offensive line that can block, something this team doesn't have right now.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

It is happening actually.

I agree its happening, we are hoping for 8 and 8 this year . Thats whats happeneing !!