Joe Flacco is the man

[flynismo]

So again, you guys are basing Flacco off of one stretch he had? I guess the coaches is purposely keeping Flacco out of the shotgun and running no huddle to hurt the team? Us CC's ( couch coaches ) think we know better than the actual coaches,lol. Also, Flacco has no weapons at all, huh?

You would be crazy to think that Jaws is the only one that watch tape of Flacco. This is how off the wall you guys are..... if Jaws were to say the opposite about Flacco you guys would rip him a part to try to discredit him,lol.

Grow up man, I'm striking a nerve? This post is not at all related to the topic at hand. If you want to BS around, go do that with your kids or something b/c I'm here to talk about the Ravens and to try to stay on topic..... If this is the best you can do to try to defend Flacco by using this lame statement, just block me or stop responding to my post. You were one of the logical guys in here and that's why I kept this going for so long ( my brother told me to leave these forums alone b/c I will find myself in situations like these a lot which is fine to me as long as it stays within reason and logic..... this is down time for me )

Grow up, striking a nerve? Really man?
It was a simple and logical suggestion, because you are the one whose nerve was getting struck because we make "excuses" for Flacco. Why is a Cowboys fan on a Ravens forum complaining about "excuses" for the Ravens QB? Sounds pretty trollish to me.

[flynismo]

So again, you guys are basing Flacco off of one stretch he had? I guess the coaches is purposely keeping Flacco out of the shotgun and running no huddle to hurt the team? Us CC's ( couch coaches ) think we know better than the actual coaches,lol. Also, Flacco has no weapons at all, huh?

You would be crazy to think that Jaws is the only one that watch tape of Flacco. This is how off the wall you guys are..... if Jaws were to say the opposite about Flacco you guys would rip him a part to try to discredit him,lol.

Grow up man, I'm striking a nerve? This post is not at all related to the topic at hand. If you want to BS around, go do that with your kids or something b/c I'm here to talk about the Ravens and to try to stay on topic..... If this is the best you can do to try to defend Flacco by using this lame statement, just block me or stop responding to my post. You were one of the logical guys in here and that's why I kept this going for so long ( my brother told me to leave these forums alone b/c I will find myself in situations like these a lot which is fine to me as long as it stays within reason and logic..... this is down time for me )

Grow up, striking a nerve? Really man?
It was a simple and logical suggestion, because you are the one whose nerve was getting struck because we make "excuses" for Flacco. Why is a Cowboys fan on a Ravens forum complaining about "excuses" for the Ravens QB? Sounds pretty trollish to me.

[ravensdfan]

So again, you guys are basing Flacco off of one stretch he had? I guess the coaches is purposely keeping Flacco out of the shotgun and running no huddle to hurt the team? Us CC's ( couch coaches ) think we know better than the actual coaches,lol. Also, Flacco has no weapons at all, huh?

 

 

 

No not at all. You can watch tape on the games prior to the playoff run as well. Shoot, we've been screaming it in this forum since 2009. It was our biggest complaint about Cam. The handcuffs.

 

I don't know why they're doing it because it is obvious beyond belief to see, right there in front of your face. Do they think Rice won't get his touches if Flacco has control? Is Harbaugh the true control freak & not Cam? Did they tighten the leash due to other personnel issues? Is it the pass protect issues that had them concerned?

 

Unlike those who try to lay claim to knowing everything about what goes on, I don't make any such claims. I can only go by what I see and hear not only on the field but in the Behind the Bench videos. It is clear the control has once again been yanked this season, despite the obvious upgrade to our offensive production when Flacco has more control.

[wayne]

Wow. So  we're now to point of blaming the passing game's woes for the running games lack of production? Are you serious? Beyond the loss of Q, I'm pretty sure Pitta has been out for most of the season, forcing the team to rely on the likes of Stokley and Clark to move the chains underneath. Not only has Gradkowski not replaced Birk, he's been one of the worst centers in the league. Osemele reportedly dealt with a back injury until he had to shut it down and Shipley has been poor as a replacement. McKinnie was garbage before getting traded, Oher has been mostly woeful and Yanda hasn't fully gotten over his should surgery from earlier in the year. And that's not even talking about the well-documented running scheme changes.

 

But, no, let's ignore all those developments and pretend they haven't affected the offense.  

It has affected the O this greatly though and plenty of guys are playing hurt, especially offensive lineman and if Yanda is that hurt where it's killing his production, next man up. Also, was Oher mostly woeful last season? Also, yes..... the passing game can hurt the running game and vice versa...... you didn't know that? Also, even with Pitta back, O still looks at a disarray. We could get Julio Jones, at great offensive line, the whole 9 and if Flacco plays bad, finger still will be pointed elsewhere. Also, get over that amazing stretch Joe had last season fellas b/c I feel that wasn't the norm as many others do. Flacco reminds me of Eli so far b/c Eli was being compared to some of the greatest QB's when he was having his moment and he has had more moments than Flacco.

[wayne]

No not at all. You can watch tape on the games prior to the playoff run as well. Shoot, we've been screaming it in this forum since 2009. It was our biggest complaint about Cam. The handcuffs.

 

I don't know why they're doing it because it is obvious beyond belief to see, right there in front of your face. Do they think Rice won't get his touches if Flacco has control? Is Harbaugh the true control freak & not Cam? Did they tighten the leash due to other personnel issues? Is it the pass protect issues that had them concerned?

 

Unlike those who try to lay claim to knowing everything about what goes on, I don't make any such claims. I can only go by what I see and hear not only on the field but in the Behind the Bench videos. It is clear the control has once again been yanked this season, despite the obvious upgrade to our offensive production when Flacco has more control.

I highly doubt that man. They paid Flacco this huge contract to keep the cuffs on him and it was clearly understood with Cam that it was one of the problems? Those are professional coaches....... you think we see something they don't? If this is true though, the coaches must don't have faith in Flacco to give him the keys b/c if they did and they felt the team would be set up in a better position to give Flacco the keys, what would stop them from doing it....... just makes 0 sense man,lol.

 

" I know doing something the " A " way will give our team a better chance to win than doing it the " B " way but I'm gonna still do it the " A " way and go against the grain ", LOL!

[wayne]

Again, maybe people need to deal with the reality that we have ourselves a good game manager in Joe with the potential to put the teams on his back at times. That stretch he head....... let it go, it's history. The solely set expectations for Joe based on that one stretch, set your expectations for Joe set over his whole career. Almost every starting QB that has played has had their " amazing " moments and while I would put Joe ahead of most with what he did last season in those 4 games, I want let that make me expect more of him.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

It has affected the O this greatly though and plenty of guys are playing hurt, especially offensive lineman and if Yanda is that hurt where it's killing his production, next man up. Also, was Oher mostly woeful last season? Also, yes..... the passing game can hurt the running game and vice versa...... you didn't know that? Also, even with Pitta back, O still looks at a disarray. We could get Julio Jones, at great offensive line, the whole 9 and if Flacco plays bad, finger still will be pointed elsewhere. Also, get over that amazing stretch Joe had last season fellas b/c I feel that wasn't the norm as many others do. Flacco reminds me of Eli so far b/c Eli was being compared to some of the greatest QB's when he was having his moment and he has had more moments than Flacco.

So are you implying the run game is this bad because of Flacco? You miss interpret "excuses" for facts. Worse running game since probably start of franchise, was at a point most sacked qb in a game, most dropped passes, are these excuses or facts? We've seen what he can do with an Oline and average wrs (average is what we've always had) imagine with a stud group of receivers.

[wayne]

So are you implying the run game is this bad because of Flacco? You miss interpret "excuses" for facts. Worse running game since probably start of franchise, was at a point most sacked qb in a game, most dropped passes, are these excuses or facts? We've seen what he can do with an Oline and average wrs (average is what we've always had) imagine with a stud group of receivers.

Look what yall are implying about why Joe is playing so bad ( yall are using about 5-7 excuses while I'm only stating a possible one ). You say he has no run game as one of the reasons so you don't think the run game is suffering maybe b/c no team respects our passing game? It's a ying and a yang to the run and the passing game...... both affects each other greatly, it's not one sided.For example , you think Moreno is that good in Denver or b/c teams have to respect the pass so much that it's open the door for the run game. For a moment, people was writing off Moreno until Manning came this season.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Look what yall are implying about why Joe is playing so bad ( yall are using about 5-7 excuses while I'm only stating a possible one ). You say he has no run game as one of the reasons so you don't think the run game is suffering maybe b/c no team respects our passing game? It's a ying and a yang to the run and the passing game...... both affects each other greatly, it's not one sided.For example , you think Moreno is that good in Denver or b/c teams have to respect the pass so much that it's open the door for the run game. For a moment, people was writing off Moreno until Manning came this season.

Ofcourse they affect each other..... to an extent. You deserve a "Come On Man" lol! How can Flacco passing help the oline block better lol, is it going to heal yanda shoulder, or KOs back, or make Micheal Oher better? Come on Wayne I know you know better.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Were going to keep going in circles. Lets agree to disagree. I like Flacco and criticize him when he sucks, but there's no way I'm blaming this season on him. Hopefully next year they'll fix things then we can see if it's truly him.

[wayne]

Ofcourse they affect each other..... to an extent. You deserve a "Come On Man" lol! How can Flacco passing help the oline block better lol, is it going to heal yanda shoulder, or KOs back, or make Micheal Oher better? Come on Wayne I know you know better.

Do you really think the O-line just fell completely off the face of the earth in 1 season....... or is there possibly other elements and why they aren't that effective this season and I got to hit you with a Come man b/c O-lines don't just fall off like that in 1 season basically with the same guys we had last season. Yea, the brought in a new O-line coach that could be the main reason why but it.s possible that since our passing game is in shambles, teams could be focusing more on stopping the run, especially since the run game has been the strength of this team like since forever. It's a possibility man....... just like it's possible all the excuses you guys give to Flacco could be the reason he's sucking it up now.  If Yanda shoulder is hurt that bad, he shouldn't be in the game ( plenty of O-lineman across the league is banged up ). Oher has always been Oher, even in that amazing 4 game stretch last season.

 

Bottom line is I feel the reason the FO didn't address the O that much in the offseason including letting Boldin go was b/c they felt Joe could make his WR's and like others have pointed out, they are seeing that was a mistake. Like Ray Lewis said and I', sure him being the defensive specimen that he was can evaluate talent at the QB position, Joe is not the type of QB they trying to make him out to be. Get the run game going and feed Joe off the PA. Stop trying to make him out like he's Brady or Manning.

[flynismo]

It has affected the O this greatly though and plenty of guys are playing hurt, especially offensive lineman and if Yanda is that hurt where it's killing his production, next man up. Also, was Oher mostly woeful last season? Also, yes..... the passing game can hurt the running game and vice versa...... you didn't know that? Also, even with Pitta back, O still looks at a disarray. We could get Julio Jones, at great offensive line, the whole 9 and if Flacco plays bad, finger still will be pointed elsewhere. Also, get over that amazing stretch Joe had last season fellas b/c I feel that wasn't the norm as many others do. Flacco reminds me of Eli so far b/c Eli was being compared to some of the greatest QB's when he was having his moment and he has had more moments than Flacco.

That's the beauty of being a Ravens fan....we don't have to "get over" everything Flacco has done for this team. That's for 31 other teams to deal with.

[beanfigger]

Getting to the point..... what has the offense playing this bad in just one season coming off the incredible run and SB win? Can't be Bolding b/c most of you guys crushed Boldin on here. What else did Flacco lose on offense? Also, for a run game to be working all these years and to just drop off the face of the earth, maybe that's a testament to the passing being more of the focal point and the sets we come out in....... b/c I don't see how in one season the run game can go from good to bad. Birk was that big of a difference.... I think not and Birk wasn't his All Pro self that he was in Minnesota.

 

How can the offense play so great in it's last 4 games of the season and we lose basically Boldin and Birk and now we are playing this bad? Was those two guys that valuable to the team and the way you guys crushed Boldin, I would surely think that's not the case.

 

Sometimes you make good points to try and set people straight, but this is a terrible post.  You make no sense here.  There are so many things about this post that are incorrect that it's hard for me to start.  This isn't even anti-Flacco.  It's anti-football analysis.

[wayne]

Were going to keep going in circles. Lets agree to disagree. I like Flacco and criticize him when he sucks, but there's no way I'm blaming this season on him. Hopefully next year they'll fix things then we can see if it's truly him.

I will give him a slight pass but if I give him a pass, I have to give many others a pass like Ray Rice for instance. I just hate to see you guys faces if we were to surround Joe with a All Star cast and God forbids he still suck it up,lol.

[5aiah]

So again, you guys are basing Flacco off of one stretch he had? I guess the coaches is purposely keeping Flacco out of the shotgun and running no huddle to hurt the team? Us CC's ( couch coaches ) think we know better than the actual coaches,lol. Also, Flacco has no weapons at all, huh?

 

You would be crazy to think that Jaws is the only one that watch tape of Flacco. This is how off the wall you guys are..... if Jaws were to say the opposite about Flacco you guys would rip him a part to try to discredit him,lol.

 

Grow up man, I'm striking a nerve? This post is not at all related to the topic at hand. If you want to BS around, go do that with your kids or something b/c I'm here to talk about the Ravens and to try to stay on topic..... If this is the best you can do to try to defend Flacco by using this lame statement, just block me or stop responding to my post. You were one of the logical guys in here and that's why I kept this going for so long ( my brother told me to leave these forums alone b/c I will find myself in situations like these a lot which is fine to me as long as it stays within reason and logic..... this is down time for me )

1. You have a point here. Most people are basing it off of the stretch because he performed so well and 4 games in "win or go home" situation can be a pretty good indicator of ability. But I agree that the majority think they know better than the actual coaching staff. I've seen him lead terrible no huddle 3 and outs that add stress and pressure on the defense as well as successful ones. I think limiting him is best to avoid romo like mishaps.

 

2. Valid point.

 

3. This season isn't on Flacco. He's improving like the rest of the offense needs to. The fact that we can still make the playoffs is a testament to how strong the team is mentally and how tough Flacco is. Too many things went wrong that Flacco had no control over. He is doing the best he can.

[wayne]

Sometimes you make good points to try and set people straight, but this is a terrible post.  You make no sense here.  There are so many things about this post that are incorrect that it's hard for me to start.  This isn't even anti-Flacco.  It's anti-football analysis.

Like...........

[flynismo]

Do you really think the O-line just fell completely off the face of the earth in 1 season....... or is there possibly other elements and why they aren't that effective this season and I got to hit you with a Come man b/c O-lines don't just fall off like that in 1 season basically with the same guys we had last season. Yea, the brought in a new O-line coach that could be the main reason why but it.s possible that since our passing game is in shambles, teams could be focusing more on stopping the run, especially since the run game has been the strength of this team like since forever. It's a possibility man....... just like it's possible all the excuses you guys give to Flacco could be the reason he's sucking it up now. If Yanda shoulder is hurt that bad, he shouldn't be in the game ( plenty of O-lineman across the league is banged up ). Oher has always been Oher, even in that amazing 4 game stretch last season.

Bottom line is I feel the reason the FO didn't address the O that much in the offseason including letting Boldin go was b/c they felt Joe could make his WR's and like others have pointed out, they are seeing that was a mistake. Like Ray Lewis said and I', sure him being the defensive specimen that he was can evaluate talent at the QB position, Joe is not the type of QB they trying to make him out to be. Get the run game going and feed Joe off the PA. Stop trying to make him out like he's Brady or Manning.

Let's use some deductive reasoning here.....
We lose a HOF center.
Both of our OG have played hurt.
We bring in one of Jerry's kids to tamper with the OL.

So tell me, is that enough to destroy an OL?

[wayne]

1. You have a point here. Most people are basing it off of the stretch because he performed so well and 4 games in "win or go home" situation can be a pretty good indicator of ability. But I agree that the majority think they know better than the actual coaching staff. I've seen him lead terrible no huddle 3 and outs that add stress and pressure on the defense as well as successful ones. I think limiting him is best to avoid romo like mishaps.

 

2. Valid point.

 

3. This season isn't on Flacco. He's improving like the rest of the offense needs to. The fact that we can still make the playoffs is a testament to how strong the team is mentally and how tough Flacco is. Too many things went wrong that Flacco had no control over. He is doing the best he can.

These guys should be coaches and we need to fire our whole coaching staff and hire them,lol. Also, I agree, he needs a leash on him like Romo does..... take more freedom away from Joe and the better the team will be.

[Gordo52]

Again, maybe people need to deal with the reality that we have ourselves a good game manager in Joe with the potential to put the teams on his back at times. That stretch he head....... let it go, it's history. The solely set expectations for Joe based on that one stretch, set your expectations for Joe set over his whole career. Almost every starting QB that has played has had their " amazing " moments and while I would put Joe ahead of most with what he did last season in those 4 games, I want let that make me expect more of him.

That's your reality. And please don't claim this team if you're a cowboys fan first.

Every good QB manages games. Joe is Great at times. Good for most of the time and terrible at times. When it really matters he's great, which is all that matters....Let it go? A lot of QB's have amazing moments but only 1 like his. It is in the past but worth bringing up since some people call him a "game manager" and act like it was all a fluke. It would be crazy to have expectations like that anyway. What he did during those 4 games was nothing short of amazing.

I expected more out of him too but when things crumble around him I can't fault him for everything like some posters do. I think he's already proved that he's more than a "game manager" and that's not even debatable in my mind.

[beanfigger]

I will give him a slight pass but if I give him a pass, I have to give many others a pass like Ray Rice for instance. I just hate to see you guys faces if we were to surround Joe with a All Star cast and God forbids he still suck it up,lol.

 

If you're wondering if Flacco fans would like to see what he'd do with a talented offensive cast, the answer is yes.  Any Flacco fan would love to "risk" looking bad if it meant we were making the offensive players around Joe better to see what he'd do.  Out of curiosity, would you like to see him succeed in that scenario?  It seems you and others would love to see him fail after we put pieces around him just so you can say, "I told you so," rather than actually see him and this team succeed like that.

[wayne]

Let's use some deductive reasoning here.....
We lose a HOF center.
Both of our OG have played hurt.
We bring in one of Jerry's kids to tamper with the OL.

So tell me, is that enough to destroy an OL?

Birk was playing aight last season so don't act like we had the Birk in his Minnesota years. There were threads made on how Birk was getting dominated at times so lets not act like Birk was a all pro center last season. Also, there are plenty of lineman that play hurt. Hell, everyone in the league is playing hurt at this time of the year, it's the NFL man. If they are that hurt where it's hurting the team, next man up. Now, the last part as far as tampering with the line, that seems like that is one of the main reasons but the other 2, I'm not buying it.

[beanfigger]

Like...........

 

First, you fail to mention the injuries to Pitta, Osemele and Jacoby Jones as factors in our offensive struggles, not to mention others we've brought in like Stokely.  Second, if you're somehow implying that one of the worst rushing offenses in history is somehow Flacco's fault I can't even argue with you because we are on such separate wavelengths that I'm not even sure we speak the same language.  To try and put our offensive struggles this year on Flacco and the passing game first is nonsense.  The line is the main culprit, followed by the running game, and then the passing game.  Flacco has certainly struggled, but let's keep things in perspective.  He has to play better, but everyone around him has fallen on their face so often this season that you look silly pointing one finger at him.

[The Raven]

I will give him a slight pass but if I give him a pass, I have to give many others a pass like Ray Rice for instance. I just hate to see you guys faces if we were to surround Joe with a All Star cast and God forbids he still suck it up,lol.

 

Then give Rice a pass, it's that simple. If the oline sucks the whole offense sucks. Football 101.

 

Also, see the playoffs. He was surrounded with a cast that carried the weight and he blew up defenses. Imagine what he could do with Denver's guys... Please think logically. 

 

These guys should be coaches and we need to fire our whole coaching staff and hire them,lol. Also, I agree, he needs a leash on him like Romo does..... take more freedom away from Joe and the better the team will be.

 

Proven wrong, see playoffs

[wayne]

That's your reality. And please don't claim this team if you're a cowboys fan first.

Every good QB manages games. Joe is Great at times. Good for most of the time and terrible at times. When it really matters he's great, which is all that matters....Let it go? A lot of QB's have amazing moments but only 1 like his. It is in the past but worth bringing up since some people call him a "game manager" and act like it was all a fluke. It would be crazy to have expectations like that anyway. What he did during those 4 games was nothing short of amazing.

I expected more out of him too but when things crumble around him I can't fault him for everything like some posters do. I think he's already proved that he's more than a "game manager" and that's not even debatable in my mind.

Again, that's false an there are others on here ( not including the media ) that says the same thing. It really mattered when we played the Patriots and it really matters when we face the Bengals so we will see how much weight that statement you just said holds...... not unless you just basing everything off the 4 game stretch,lol?

[The Raven]

I'm convinced that Wayne here gets Romo and Flacco confused :D

[wayne]

First, you fail to mention the injuries to Pitta, Osemele and Jacoby Jones as factors in our offensive struggles, not to mention others we've brought in like Stokely.  Second, if you're somehow implying that one of the worst rushing offenses in history is somehow Flacco's fault I can't even argue with you because we are on such separate wavelengths that I'm not even sure we speak the same language.  To try and put our offensive struggles this year on Flacco and the passing game first is nonsense.  The line is the main culprit, followed by the running game, and then the passing game.  Flacco has certainly struggled, but let's keep things in perspective.  He has to play better, but everyone around him has fallen on their face so often this season that you look silly pointing one finger at him.

First off, even if we had a healthy Pitta and Jacoby Jones and Osemele from the start, you have guys on here that will still say Flacco has 0 to work with so that X's that out. Also, the O-line has been giving Flacco reasonable time like in the past 4-5 games so you can X that out.. I'm not saying other factors hasn't contributed in Flacco's awful play but that's football and he isn't the first QB faced with adversary. You don't show the world how great you are with a stud stacked cast, you show them how great you are with little around you.

[wayne]

I'm convinced that Wayne here gets Romo and Flacco confused :D

No I don't. Flacco and Romo on the contrary is more similar than you know ( I watch both of them play every game of the season ). The difference is it seems Romo shines through the first 3 quarters and Flacco doesn't but in the 4th in clutch situations, Romo folds and Flacco steps up. Unfortunately, that is not the case this season.

[The Raven]

First off, even if we had a healthy Pitta and Jacoby Jones and Osemele from the start, you have guys on here that will still say Flacco has 0 to work with so that X's that out. Also, the O-line has been giving Flacco reasonable time like in the past 4-5 games so you can X that out.. I'm not saying other factors hasn't contributed in Flacco's awful play but that's football and he isn't the first QB faced with adversary. You don't show the world how great you are with a stud stacked cast, you show them how great you are with little around you.

 

Joe just got sacked four times against New England. The previous three games he had time, and he didn't turn the ball over. But, that showed how terrible his receivers are. So that X's that out ;)

[5aiah]

These guys should be coaches and we need to fire our whole coaching staff and hire them,lol. Also, I agree, he needs a leash on him like Romo does..... take more freedom away from Joe and the better the team will be.

Not take away more freedom, but limit him in certain situations and don't give him rope to hang himself. The better Joe is at taking over the offense the better we will be but he isn't exactly there yet.

[5aiah]

No I don't. Flacco and Romo on the contrary is more similar than you know ( I watch both of them play every game of the season ). The difference is it seems Romo shines through the first 3 quarters and Flacco doesn't but in the 4th in clutch situations, Romo folds and Flacco steps up. Unfortunately, that is not the case this season.

Wait you're a cowboys fan? Seriously? Also Flacco is the exact opposite of Romo in style and skill.