Joe Flacco is the man

[Speed Kills]

We're 3-4 because we have no run game. Not because of Flacco not elevating his game.

His stats are better than Brady's right now. NE has a winning record because they have an actual run game.

You are missing my point. Im not saying we are 3-4 BECAUSE of Flacco not elevating his game. I am saying HE NEEDS to elevate his game if this team is to succeed which he HAS NOT done thus far and NEEDS TO DO starting this week for this team to make a playoff push. Stop making excuses for him. Don't quote stats. Flacco isn't a stats guy, he is a wins guy. I love when people want to compare him on stats people claim the only stat that matters is wins and ignore his passing stats. Now you want to say he has better stats then Brady so he MUST be playing outstanding. Just admit he can play better and needs to this coming half. I certainly expect him to

[arnie_uk]

You are missing my point. Im not saying we are 3-4 BECAUSE of Flacco not elevating his game. I am saying HE NEEDS to elevate his game if this team is to succeed which he HAS NOT done thus far and NEEDS TO DO starting this week for this team to make a playoff push. Stop making excuses for him. Don't quote stats. Flacco isn't a stats guy, he is a wins guy. I love when people want to compare him on stats people claim the only stat that matters is wins and ignore his passing stats. Now you want to say he has better stats then Brady so he MUST be playing outstanding. Just admit he can play better and needs to this coming half. I certainly expect him to

personally minus the playoff run I think he's playing the best football he has in his career. Well except the bills game

[AsianRice]

I've been saying all season that Flacco is having a MVP type performance this year without the production. We are starting to see his young weapons around him play much better and the encouraging news about Pitta is just great. I thought even the oline played a lot better in Pit. Monroe is proving to be an upgrade imo. I just thought the offense didn't have enough possessions. I think it was only 7?

 

I will continue to say that this team needs to realize Flacco is the driving force of this offense and put the ball in his hands. It almost seems like there is a fear that if you put the ball in Flacco's hands we'll become this finesse passing team and lose our physical style of play. I actually think becoming more of a passing team would actually help all areas with the exception of special teams. 

 

If defense is built to bend but don't break and get after the passer. Well if you allow Flacco to start fast and put up early points, how much more dominate would this defense be making other teams 1 dimensional? If you are allowing Flacco to complete high percentage passes early, it will only open up the deep ball and running game because the defense will be on their heels.

 

I think Caldwell is a much better QB coach then play caller and that's understandable. I've seen great improvement in Joe under Jim, however if you put the offense in Flacco's hands like reports in the offseason suggested, I think that makes Caldwell much more comfortable as a play caller. The reason being is because he gets to call a game that favors his QB which he does well, instead of having the pressure of trying to get your Pro Bowl RB and FB involved in the games.

 

I find myself saying the same things after every game now. Flacco is a STUD!!!! and until he shows me otherwise I guess i'll be a broken record.

It makes me think Caldwell should treat Joe like he did with Peyton; let the man run the offense.......run/pass ratio is varied based on the giving defense........

[Tank 92]

You are missing my point. Im not saying we are 3-4 BECAUSE of Flacco not elevating his game. I am saying HE NEEDS to elevate his game if this team is to succeed which he HAS NOT done thus far and NEEDS TO DO starting this week for this team to make a playoff push. Stop making excuses for him.

 

 

Me thinks you are wrong. If not for Joe we could be 0 and 7.

[Richmond_Raven]

pocket presence could be better

footwork needs to improve

need to quit underthrowing number 12

needs to stop throwing 5ints, thus giving game away

needs more touch on the ball, regulate arm strength

attempt to run the read option, but pass only, dont let joe actually run it

other than that, hes typical overhyped by jaws, 6-6 , quarterback with a big arm

 

[callahan09]

pocket presence could be better

footwork needs to improve

need to quit underthrowing number 12

needs to stop throwing 5ints, thus giving game away

needs more touch on the ball, regulate arm strength

attempt to run the read option, but pass only, dont let joe actually run it

other than that, hes typical overhyped by jaws, 6-6 , quarterback with a big arm

 

His pocket presence and footwork have been excellent this year.  He has been buying tons of time in the pocket and even making plays with his legs for a couple of important first downs.  The line has been giving him no time.  Most of his sacks and a lot of his interrupted throws were because the line (including Ray Rice and Dallas Clark on plenty of their own failed blocks) let free pass rushers threw to him immediately after the snap, including an asinine number of blind side pass rushers that they've been letting get to him in under 2 seconds.

 

Number 12 should have raised his hands to try to catch the ball rather than making a basket and waiting for the ball to come to him like he was catching a punt.  Jacoby is not a natural pass catcher, he is a punt returner who is asked to catch passes, something he can only do when there are no defenders anywhere near him, because he doesn't use his hands to catch. He's a body catcher, perhaps the quintessential example of one in the NFL today.  That ball is probably caught by over 50 receivers in this league, but Jacoby Jones isn't one of them.  It was also a highly timing sensitive play.  Flacco unleashed that ball when Jacoby hadn't even gotten open and blown past Gay yet.  Jacoby was at the 25 yard line when that ball came out, and he was halfway between the left hash & the sideline.... but he met the ball at the 2 yard line in the middle of the field.  That means that Jacoby had to run nearly 30 yards diagonally in order to meet that ball.  When you consider all the variables that went into it, Flacco seeing that Jones was going to GET OPEN IN A FEW STEPS (he wasn't open yet when he decided to throw the ball) and then putting it in a place he had to PREDICT he was going to be 30 yards away while the ball was in the air, it was a very nice throw, it should have been caught, and failing the catch, it SHOULD HAVE drawn pass interference, because Gay obviously interfered.

 

 

That's a receiver not helping his quarterback or himself.  If he puts his hands UP rather than making that punt catching basket, the pass interference becomes notably more evident and easier to call for the officials, and that's assuming he doesn't make the catch, which he should if he attacks it with his hands up and plucks it out of the air.

 

And about the 5 ints?  Flacco needs to stop doing that?  You mean the 1 time in his entire career he did?  And he's only thrown 1 int since?  OK...  And we all know that all those INTs weren't all his fault.  And the 1 INT he threw since that game was entirely Bryant McKinnie's fault.

 

I'm not even going to go on.  That's enough.

[Richmond_Raven]

pocket presence could be better

footwork needs to improve

need to quit underthrowing number 12

needs to stop throwing 5ints, thus giving game away

needs more touch on the ball, regulate arm strength

attempt to run the read option, but pass only, dont let joe actually run it

other than that, hes typical overhyped by jaws, 6-6 , quarterback with a big arm

[callahan09]

I'm not saying he is playing poorly. I am saying he is being outplayed by guys like Andy Dalton which is flat out unacceptable. I am tired of people saying he is playing great this year when its not true. His stats stink and more importantly the team is 3-4. His teammates aren't helping him much i get that, but he needs to play better than mediocre with this cast around him. That is why we pay him 20 mil, to elevate his game. I expect this to start this Sunday against the Browns

He is not even remotely being outplayed by Andy Dalton.  You can't look at statistics.  There's more to the story than simple stat lines... there are 11 players on offense, and ALL of them are a factor in the quarterbacks stat line.

 

Dalton has had the benefit of AJ Green catching everything that comes his way, whereas Flacco has a lot of receivers who don't attack the ball and make a play on it.  Case in point, Flacco's pass to Jacoby Jones last week against the Steelers wasn't caught, because Jacoby doesn't go up after the ball, he keeps his hands low like he's cradling for a punt and waits for the ball to come to him.  On the other hand, Dalton throws a couple of very underthrown passes to Green the other day against the Jets, and Green goes up, attacks the ball, and comes down with them.  Green had to slow or stop his route and come back to the ball much more more so than Jacoby had to slow up for that ball I described...

 

The only difference between the QBs in this situation is that one can throw the ball worse and still have a top of the NFL receiver come down with it, and the other can throw a pretty good ball, and has no receivers to come down with it.  

 

Dalton also benefits from having a quality rushing game support him.  His team is gaining at least 3 yards on over 59% of their carries.  Flacco's team is gaining at least 3 yards on just 41% of their carries, which is the worst in the NFL, on top of being the worst yards per attempt in the NFL.  NFL average is 53% in terms of percentage of carries that go for 3+ yards, so Dalton's team is quite a bit above average, and Flacco's team is way below average (again, worst in the NFL).

 

Dalton has a quality O line, Flacco has the worst O line in the NFL.  The receiving talent on these two teams is a night and day difference.

 

Do you honestly think Flacco couldn't do what Dalton is doing if he was on the Bengals, or think that Dalton could do as well as Flacco is doing on this team?

[Tank 92]

His pocket presence and footwork have been excellent this year.  He has been buying tons of time in the pocket and even making plays with his legs for a couple of important first downs.  The line has been giving him no time.  Most of his sacks and a lot of his interrupted throws were because the line (including Ray Rice and Dallas Clark on plenty of their own failed blocks) let free pass rushers threw to him immediately after the snap, including an asinine number of blind side pass rushers that they've been letting get to him in under 2 seconds.

 

Number 12 should have raised his hands to try to catch the ball rather than making a basket and waiting for the ball to come to him like he was catching a punt.  Jacoby is not a natural pass catcher, he is a punt returner who is asked to catch passes, something he can only do when there are no defenders anywhere near him, because he doesn't use his hands to catch. He's a body catcher, perhaps the quintessential example of one in the NFL today.  That ball is probably caught by over 50 receivers in this league, but Jacoby Jones isn't one of them.  It was also a highly timing sensitive play.  Flacco unleashed that ball when Jacoby hadn't even gotten open and blown past Gay yet.  Jacoby was at the 25 yard line when that ball came out, and he was halfway between the left hash & the sideline.... but he met the ball at the 2 yard line in the middle of the field.  That means that Jacoby had to run nearly 30 yards diagonally in order to meet that ball.  When you consider all the variables that went into it, Flacco seeing that Jones was going to GET OPEN IN A FEW STEPS (he wasn't open yet when he decided to throw the ball) and then putting it in a place he had to PREDICT he was going to be 30 yards away while the ball was in the air, it was a very nice throw, it should have been caught, and failing the catch, it SHOULD HAVE drawn pass interference, because Gay obviously interfered.

 

 

That's a receiver not helping his quarterback or himself.  If he puts his hands UP rather than making that punt catching basket, the pass interference becomes notably more evident and easier to call for the officials, and that's assuming he doesn't make the catch, which he should if he attacks it with his hands up and plucks it out of the air.

 

And about the 5 ints?  Flacco needs to stop doing that?  You mean the 1 time in his entire career he did?  And he's only thrown 1 int since?  OK...  And we all know that all those INTs weren't all his fault.  And the 1 INT he threw since that game was entirely Bryant McKinnie's fault.

 

I'm not even going to go on.  That's enough.

 

You're exactly right. Caldwelll has helped Joe tremendously and he's getting better every game.

 

LOL! I hear what you are saying about JJ, but look at the pic. How could he raise his arms to go at the ball? I'm assuming the ball has not entered the picture yet, and he was stopping and coming back. Looks more like PI and a bad no call than poor skills to me.

[callahan09]

You're exactly right. Caldwelll has helped Joe tremendously and he's getting better every game.

 

LOL! I hear what you are saying about JJ, but look at the pic. How could he raise his arms to go at the ball? I'm assuming the ball has not entered the picture yet, and he was stopping and coming back. Looks more like PI and a bad no call than poor skills to me.

 

You'd have to watch the whole play to see what I mean about getting his arms up... but he didn't try to raise his arms up from there.  Even following the exact moment of that picture, he should have brought his arms up.  The effect would have been hooking the arms of Gay that are in front of him, which would have made the interference even more obvious than it already was.  The interference should have been called as it was... but had he gone to raise his arms, it would have been even more obvious.  Jacoby was in that position, with his arms forming that punt receiving basket, before Gay draped himself over him (oh, yes, to answer your question, the ball has not yet arrived in that picture, but it's only about 1 frame away from entering the picture).  He should have raised his arms up sooner, rather than holding his arms in that punt catching position leading up to that point.  But that's not how Jacoby plays, unfortunately.  He plays like a punt returner.

[Grendelwulf21]

I can't read these forums much anymore, my stomach turns after reading some of these comments...

 

In other news, I do believe Flacco is doing way good this year, if our O-line could actually give him some time, I do believe we could've won more games

 

(P.S. My niece(6years old) took my GF's Flacco jersey to her class for sports day, and she got A LOT of compliments on it :D "Oooh that's a pretty color!" ELOHEL)

[Richmond_Raven]

pocket presence could be better

footwork needs to improve

need to quit underthrowing number 12

needs to stop throwing 5ints, thus giving game away

needs more touch on the ball, regulate arm strength

attempt to run the read option, but pass only, dont let joe actually run it

other than that, hes typical overhyped by jaws, 6-6 , quarterback with a big arm

[Tank 92]

You'd have to watch the whole play to see what I mean about getting his arms up... but he didn't try to raise his arms up from there.  Even following the exact moment of that picture, he should have brought his arms up.  The effect would have been hooking the arms of Gay that are in front of him, which would have made the interference even more obvious than it already was.  The interference should have been called as it was... but had he gone to raise his arms, it would have been even more obvious.  Jacoby was in that position, with his arms forming that punt receiving basket, before Gay draped himself over him (oh, yes, to answer your question, the ball has not yet arrived in that picture, but it's only about 1 frame away from entering the picture).  He should have raised his arms up sooner, rather than holding his arms in that punt catching position leading up to that point.  But that's not how Jacoby plays, unfortunately.  He plays like a punt returner.

Agreed. But regardless, PI should have been called. Arms up. Arms down, the guy was obviously all over him before the ball got there.

[Hardbaugh]

Such an MVP and a stud that he leads his offense to zero production in the first half in games. Flacco has been mediocre so far this season. He is the least of the concern as far as the offensive issues go but you are delusional if you believe he has played at an MVP level. What a joke! He needs to elevate his game the second half of the season if they have any prayer of making the playoffs

Flacco has been mediocre??? Boy you're grading on a curve.. Flacco's numbers are terrible he's with the journeyman , old and never was quarterbacks. 

[Hardbaugh]

He is not even remotely being outplayed by Andy Dalton.  You can't look at statistics.  There's more to the story than simple stat lines... there are 11 players on offense, and ALL of them are a factor in the quarterbacks stat line.

 

Dalton has had the benefit of AJ Green catching everything that comes his way, whereas Flacco has a lot of receivers who don't attack the ball and make a play on it.  Case in point, Flacco's pass to Jacoby Jones last week against the Steelers wasn't caught, because Jacoby doesn't go up after the ball, he keeps his hands low like he's cradling for a punt and waits for the ball to come to him.  On the other hand, Dalton throws a couple of very underthrown passes to Green the other day against the Jets, and Green goes up, attacks the ball, and comes down with them.  Green had to slow or stop his route and come back to the ball much more more so than Jacoby had to slow up for that ball I described...

 

The only difference between the QBs in this situation is that one can throw the ball worse and still have a top of the NFL receiver come down with it, and the other can throw a pretty good ball, and has no receivers to come down with it.  

 

Dalton also benefits from having a quality rushing game support him.  His team is gaining at least 3 yards on over 59% of their carries.  Flacco's team is gaining at least 3 yards on just 41% of their carries, which is the worst in the NFL, on top of being the worst yards per attempt in the NFL.  NFL average is 53% in terms of percentage of carries that go for 3+ yards, so Dalton's team is quite a bit above average, and Flacco's team is way below average (again, worst in the NFL).

 

Dalton has a quality O line, Flacco has the worst O line in the NFL.  The receiving talent on these two teams is a night and day difference.

 

Do you honestly think Flacco couldn't do what Dalton is doing if he was on the Bengals, or think that Dalton could do as well as Flacco is doing on this team?

  But just last year you stated Flacco was going to take off just like the greats who excelled in the 6th year...  What happened? I mean besides the excuses?  Great players make those around them better, Flacco can't do that even entering what should be the prime of his career. 

[Militant X 1]

pocket presence could be better

footwork needs to improve

need to quit underthrowing number 12

needs to stop throwing 5ints, thus giving game away  that was one game!  smh!

needs more touch on the ball, regulate arm strength

attempt to run the read option, but pass only, dont let joe actually run it    whaaaat?  smh!

other than that, hes typical overhyped by jaws, 6-6 , quarterback with a big arm   c'mon man!  smh!

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#Mili

[SecretAgentMan]

  But just last year you stated Flacco was going to take off just like the greats who excelled in the 6th year...  What happened? I mean besides the excuses?  Great players make those around them better, Flacco can't do that even entering what should be the prime of his career. 

Are you implying that

 

Peyton Manning made Wayne and Harrison good?

 

Brady made Moss, Gronk, and Welker?

 

Brees makes Graham and Colston?

 

Rodgers makes Cobb, Nelson, and Jones?

 

Elite QBs can make BELOW AVERAGE OR MEDIOCRE(Doss, Brown, Thompson, Clark at this point) WRs look good.

 

But all these so called elite QBs have always had at least TWO reliable Receiving options in some point of their careers.

 

Torrey reminds me a lot of Wayne. Good hands, and now a good route tree to go with blazing speed. But he can't do it all.

 

Wayne did also have Harrison with him. Which was a HUGE reason why Manning put up numbers like he did.

 

Now Peyton have freak athlete D Thomas, up and comer Julius Thomas, all pro Wes Welker, and reliable Eric Decker.

 

Peyton is a hell of a QB, but tell me he hasn't had help in his career. I dare you. It's just not true.

 

 

Brady? 2007= Randy Moss revived, and Wes Welker. Ben Watson was a solid TE in his prime too.

 

Brees? Colson, Graham, Sproles are a lethal trio.

 

Rodgers? Cobb, Jennings(used to be) Jordy Nelson. James Jones.

 

Eli? He has Nicks and Cruz right now and that team only has 2 wins.

 

Reality is, Flacco is good. His PEERS(who have 20 times the football intelligence that you do) believe he's a great QB.

Coaches (the real experts) respect him.

Any reasonable football fan, respects him.

 

But no man in this world can succeed without any kind of help at some point.

 

Flacco's only great option that's HEALTHY, is Torrey. Pitta got hurt. Yet, Guys like Doss, and Marlon are doing pretty decent as of late. Those two should both be #3 options.

 

What I've learned this season is

 

1. We've become A LOT younger. Less experienced = less wins. Simple as that

2. Flacco needs more depth at the WR/TE spot. He needs more help.

3. Next year is going to be VERY different.

 

But to say Flacco, in any way, shape or form, being the problem is just stupid. We'd be winless without him. .

 

 

And statistics aren't everything.

[hawkprey]

  But just last year you stated Flacco was going to take off just like the greats who excelled in the 6th year...  What happened? I mean besides the excuses?  Great players make those around them better, Flacco can't do that even entering what should be the prime of his career. 

Yes, Peyton took 2 WRs with poor production in 2011 and gave them great stats. Tom Brady took a rookie unknown WR in Kenbrell Tompkins and made him a starter. Drew Brees took some guy who used to play another sport and make him Jimmy Graham - the best TE in the game. If Joe wants to be great, he has to put up great numbers like them. And do it while dealing with incompetent morons such as Demarius Thomas and Rob Gronkowski, before turning them into phenominal players that is. And Torrey and Pitta don't count because they're already pretty good. When Joe can turn Tori Gurley into Calvin Johnson, then maybe I'll be impressed. Maybe.

[SecretAgentMan]

 

#Mili

LMAO

[Free Agent]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273515/article/what-were-not-overreacting-to-at-midseason

 

Here's NFL.com's things that they aren't overreacting to at midseason. Direct your attention to #6.

 

6. The Baltimore Ravens' playoff chances: Any team with that defense and a quarterback as talented as Joe Flacco has a shot.

 

 

Yay positivity! (And yay Joe Flacco non-negativity)

[jazz1988]

Flacco has been mediocre??? Boy you're grading on a curve.. Flacco's numbers are terrible he's with the journeyman , old and never was quarterbacks. 

 

Tom Brady Stats  1,824 passing yards, nine touch downs  6 interceptions 74.9 quarterback rating  now Joe Flacco stats are 1,917, 8 touchdowns,8 interceptions , 78.9 . Guess what these guys both have in common so far this year and that is they both are playing  with out there best tight end, they both are playing with  young inexperience receivers( Jacoby Jones is just really getting back) , the run game isn't good,and they both are dealing with inconsistent o-line play.

 

I guess Brady (aka the Elite quarterback )must be on the decline I mean theres no way in the world the great Tom Brady can't make  the young receivers he's playing with Pro Bowlers, there no way he can't make his o-line block great, theres no way he can't make his running backs the next Adrian Peterson, and theres no way he shouldn't over come all the problems the patriots offense is having  right now because a elite quarterback can make anything happen out of nothing. 

 

Peyton Manning Is on fire this year  and he is the true definition of elite because he's making receivers such as Wes Welker, Demaryius Thomas , and Eric Decker look good (these guys are  definitely bums) . I mean just last year these guys suck bad especially Welker when was the last time he ever went to the pro bowl? 

[redravenfan]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273515/article/what-were-not-overreacting-to-at-midseason
 
Here's NFL.com's things that they aren't overreacting to at midseason. Direct your attention to #6.
 
 
Yay positivity! (And yay Joe Flacco non-negativity)

awesome post thanks for sharing

[Gordo52]

Flacco has been mediocre??? Boy you're grading on a curve.. Flacco's numbers are terrible he's with the journeyman , old and never was quarterbacks.

You wouldn't say it to his face tho......

[berad]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273515/article/what-were-not-overreacting-to-at-midseason
 
Here's NFL.com's things that they aren't overreacting to at midseason. Direct your attention to #6.
 
 
Yay positivity! (And yay Joe Flacco non-negativity)

Rosenthal said this? My, my how times have changed.

[gabefergy]

I posted this on another forum, but I think some folks here may find it interesting as well.

 

I dove into some 3rd down stats and Flacco has faced an average of 7.58 yards on 3rd down. As a team we have converted on 36.8% of 3rd downs, good for 19th in the league. I don't have the data for what the league average distance is however, as I just compiled the data myself. We have converted 84 first downs through pass, 24 through rush, and 16 through penalty (This is total, not just 3rd down conversions). We have had 114 3rd down attempts (42 conversions), and only 13 of those attempts were designed rushes (distance of those attempts 1,1,1,15,1, 2,1, 10, 1,1,1, 4,1).  There were an additional 2 QB scrambles that were both converted for 1st downs. If you remove the designed rushes the average distance that was an attempted pass or scramble by Flacco on 3rd down was 8.14 yards.

 

What does this mean? I'm not really sure to be honest because I don't have the league data to compare it to, but I would venture to guess that Flacco has faced considerably more difficult circumstances than most NFL QBs. Not only has he been in very difficult down and distance, but the inability of the rushing attack has made it painfully clear that Flacco will be passing the ball on almost every 3rd down (88.5% of 3rd downs have been passing attempts). This puts defenses in excellent position to stop Flacco. They know he is going to pass, and most of the time the distance is very difficult to convert. They can sit back and rush 3 or 4 or they can bring the house with the knowledge that Flacco does not have great protection or reliable recievers.

[Free Agent]

awesome post thanks for sharing

 

My pleasure.

 

Rosenthal said this? My, my how times have changed.

 

Right? I was very surprised to see him say that, I had to reread it to be sure.

[callahan09]

  But just last year you stated Flacco was going to take off just like the greats who excelled in the 6th year...  What happened? I mean besides the excuses?  Great players make those around them better, Flacco can't do that even entering what should be the prime of his career. 

Flacco IS excelling in his 6th year.  You just aren't seeing the full picture of his performance.  He's had the worst offensive line and the worst run game support in the entire NFL.  On top of that, he's got a receiving corps (including tight ends and the backs) that caught passes for a total of just 3242 yards last season.  This season those players are on pace to catch 4382 yards.  Where did those extra 1140 yards come from?  Joe Flacco is making them better.  And that doesn't account for all the misplayed balls, misrun routes, bobbles/deflections/drops, etc. that were in no way Flacco's fault and should have made his stats look better than they are.

[Tank 92]

Are you implying that

 

Peyton Manning made Wayne and Harrison good?

 

Brady made Moss, Gronk, and Welker?

 

Brees makes Graham and Colston?

 

Rodgers makes Cobb, Nelson, and Jones?

 

Elite QBs can make BELOW AVERAGE OR MEDIOCRE(Doss, Brown, Thompson, Clark at this point) WRs look good.

 

But all these so called elite QBs have always had at least TWO reliable Receiving options in some point of their careers.

 

Torrey reminds me a lot of Wayne. Good hands, and now a good route tree to go with blazing speed. But he can't do it all.

 

Wayne did also have Harrison with him. Which was a HUGE reason why Manning put up numbers like he did.

 

Now Peyton have freak athlete D Thomas, up and comer Julius Thomas, all pro Wes Welker, and reliable Eric Decker.

 

Peyton is a hell of a QB, but tell me he hasn't had help in his career. I dare you. It's just not true.

 

 

Brady? 2007= Randy Moss revived, and Wes Welker. Ben Watson was a solid TE in his prime too.

 

Brees? Colson, Graham, Sproles are a lethal trio.

 

Rodgers? Cobb, Jennings(used to be) Jordy Nelson. James Jones.

 

Eli? He has Nicks and Cruz right now and that team only has 2 wins.

 

Reality is, Flacco is good. His PEERS(who have 20 times the football intelligence that you do) believe he's a great QB.

Coaches (the real experts) respect him.

Any reasonable football fan, respects him.

 

But no man in this world can succeed without any kind of help at some point.

 

Flacco's only great option that's HEALTHY, is Torrey. Pitta got hurt. Yet, Guys like Doss, and Marlon are doing pretty decent as of late. Those two should both be #3 options.

 

What I've learned this season is

 

1. We've become A LOT younger. Less experienced = less wins. Simple as that

2. Flacco needs more depth at the WR/TE spot. He needs more help.

3. Next year is going to be VERY different.

 

But to say Flacco, in any way, shape or form, being the problem is just stupid. We'd be winless without him. .

 

 

And statistics aren't everything.

 

 

You could write until your fingers fall off, some just don't get it, or they are just trolling.

 

When we get right at TE, WR and O line there will be no more fuel for subjective reasoning to discredit Joe.

[ravensdfan]

Flacco IS excelling in his 6th year.  You just aren't seeing the full picture of his performance.  He's had the worst offensive line and the worst run game support in the entire NFL.  On top of that, he's got a receiving corps (including tight ends and the backs) that caught passes for a total of just 3242 yards last season.  This season those players are on pace to catch 4382 yards.  Where did those extra 1140 yards come from?  Joe Flacco is making them better.  And that doesn't account for all the misplayed balls, misrun routes, bobbles/deflections/drops, etc. that were in no way Flacco's fault and should have made his stats look better than they are.

 

And he never will. If the offense continues the upward trend we saw last week (giving Flacco more control, up tempo offense) and takes off, we won't hear from him at all unless Flacco has a down game.

[funky141]

My opinion the whole team(offense) is the issue and not really one person fault. The lack of a run game, pass protection and key injuries have hindered the Raven's offense so far this year. There seems to be no run game, making the Ravens one dimensional. Am I high on Flacco, no but it's not all his fault.