Next up: Packers

[arnie_uk]

I never said the Ravens didn't have a great pass rush. They have an exceptional pass rush with Suggs and Dumervil on the edges with Ngata inside. I'm just not sure they can be classified as a defense that plays "great coverage". You don't give up 7 TDs in a game with a defense that plays great coverage. I understand they've shown improvement but that game wasn't that long ago and frankly the Ravens haven't played a QB that is even in the same league as Rodgers and Manning. The thing about the elite QBs like Rodgers and Manning is that they are so good at masking their team's weaknesses and exploiting those of their opponents. If there is any weak link out there on the field they will find it and exploit it to the max. Rookie players, new starters, gimpy defenders, DBs with poor ball skills. You name it, these guys are going to try to take advantage of it.

u do realise we lost 7 starters from last year and that was our first game. It was never going to click from the start. U say we've been playing worse offenses. I think by the time the game is ovee you'll come to realise our improvement in defense has been exactly that. An improvement

[Tank 92]

I never said the Ravens didn't have a great pass rush. They have an exceptional pass rush with Suggs and Dumervil on the edges with Ngata inside. I'm just not sure they can be classified as a defense that plays "great coverage". You don't give up 7 TDs in a game with a defense that plays great coverage. I understand they've shown improvement but that game wasn't that long ago and frankly the Ravens haven't played a QB that is even in the same league as Rodgers and Manning. The thing about the elite QBs like Rodgers and Manning is that they are so good at masking their team's weaknesses and exploiting those of their opponents. If there is any weak link out there on the field they will find it and exploit it to the max. Rookie players, new starters, gimpy defenders, DBs with poor ball skills. You name it, these guys are going to try to take advantage of it.

The first sentence of your original post said "I can't say the Ravens have a great pass rush........", so there's no need to say you didn't say it. The remainder of this post is just mindless fodder that completely ignores what I attempted to point out to you. You speak like we've never played a Manning, Rogers or Brady before. While they may present some unique problems, it's not like there's some sort of force field and supernatural powers they posess. Their teams can be beat just like any other NFL team. You may have noticed this last post season while your team and it's "elite" qb were at home watching the conference championships and SB. Hope you enjoy the game Sunday.

[Poes Crows]

Well I think this is the seminal game of the season. Win it and we stamp ourselves as improving. Lose it and ..well it could get ugly.

 

Rodgers is considered a Top QB and the last Top QB we faced literally shredded us to pieces. Granted the game was close in the first half, but they spotted us 7 and the weather was a factor in the first half. Manning certainly does not handle wind and cold well at this stage of his career.

 

I don't expect to get burned as badly this game, but if it happens, the Fat Lady Sings.

 

Jaworksi abandoned us for this game and don't like that omen, but if we get an outstanding pass rush, I have to think we can win.  We're home and Rodgers hates the rush.

 

 

 

Can't stand the Packers

[redravenfan]

first off your right flacco isn't in the same category as Rodgers and manning he is way above them thanks for recognizing that. I don't get the whole mentality of fans of opposing teams coming to the ravens boards and ranting about there team and players and expecting the ravens fans to say yeah your right your team/player is better . the packers have there own boards if you can't find them then look it up or ask someone. here's my final thought why not come back to these boards after  the game and we have the w and say look sorry for coming over and bashing  your qb and your team  it won't happen again.

Did I say they would be an easy win. No.

 

Aaron Rodgers doesn't play against opposing QBs. His defense does. He is the most consistent QB in the NFL. He routinely holds up his end of the bargain. Let's not try to put Flacco in the same category with Rodgers and Manning.

 

My post was more asking for clarification. The guy said "he wonders what will happen when the Packers finally play a defense with a great pass rush and good coverage". Well Rodgers has played teams like that in SF and Cincy and the Packers came out of those two games with a combined 58 points. The Bengals pass rush is every bit as good as the Ravens and they have a top-notch set of corners to top it off.  The Packers actually ran the ball very well against that stout Cincy defensive front.

 

I'm sorry but a team that gave up 7 passing TDs to me is not one that can be described as having "great coverage". The point is that yes the Ravens have looked better on defense since playing Manning but they haven't played a QB that is even in the same league as him. This week they will. They have shown improvement but its not like we can all forget that the Ravens defense was absolutely humiliated by the last elite QB they played just four weeks ago. Shutting down Tanehill or Weeden isn't the same as playing Rodgers or Manning.

 

People are getting this vibe that because the Packers are 2-2 that their offense hasn't been playing well. They are #3 in overall offense, #4 in passing, #5 in rushing and #3 in scoring. This isn't a ho-hum offense the Ravens are playing this week. This is a talented, well coached unit, led by a QB that has elite accuracy, arm strength, and mobility to top it all off. Rodgers is a very difficult QB to game plan for. You can't just try to move him off the spot like you can with traditional pocket passers. This guy will make you pay outside the pocket as well with 1st down runs and uncanny accuracy while throwing on the run. Wha'ts weird is that he doesn't get flustered after getting hit a few times like most QBs.

 

Unlike what somebody said earlier. Rodgers doesn't in fact look average when he's pressured. He gets pressured a lot. He was sacked 51 times last year yet led the league in passer rating and had the best TD;INT ratio in the NFL.

[Tank 92]

Well I think this is the seminal game of the season. Win it and we stamp ourselves as improving. Lose it and ..well it could get ugly.

 

Rodgers is considered a Top QB and the last Top QB we faced literally shredded us to pieces. Granted the game was close in the first half, but they spotted us 7 and the weather was a factor in the first half. Manning certainly does not handle wind and cold well at this stage of his career.

 

I don't expect to get burned as badly this game, but if it happens, the Fat Lady Sings.

 

Jaworksi abandoned us for this game and don't like that omen, but if we get an outstanding pass rush, I have to think we can win.  We're home and Rodgers hates the rush.

 

 

 

Can't stand the Packers

 

 

I don't think so............

 

If we lose this game, by no means is the season over. Other than two teams, no one is running away in their division. And it's obvious the 2013 Ravens continue to evolve and are still a work in progress. The games following the bye will tell the story of what to expect come January.

[runamuk]

if you seriously expect  a fan to come back after they lose and admit they made a fool of themselves I wouldn't hold my breathe I am still waiting for a certain Texan fan to come back and continue our discussion on how Schaub is superior to flacco in every way .

[Ravenseconbeast]

Huh? I have Direct TV and have no FOX issues.

Same. Only if it rains heavy...well thats a diff story

[runamuk]

first off your right flacco isn't in the same category as Rodgers and manning he is way above them thanks for recognizing that. I don't get the whole mentality of fans of opposing teams coming to the ravens boards and ranting about there team and players and expecting the ravens fans to say yeah your right your team/player is better . the packers have there own boards if you can't find them then look it up or ask someone. here's my final thought why not come back to these boards after  the game and we have the w and say look sorry for coming over and bashing  your qb and your team I forgot my anti psychotic meds and it won't happen again.

if you seriously expect  a fan to come back after they lose and admit they made a fool of themselves I wouldn't hold my breathe I am still waiting for a certain Texan fan to come back and continue our discussion on how Schaub is superior to flacco in every way .

[Poes Crows]

I don't think so............

 

If we lose this game, by no means is the season over. Other than two teams, no one is running away in their division. And it's obvious the 2013 Ravens continue to evolve and are still a work in progress. The games following the bye will tell the story of what to expect come January.

 

The season really isn't as long as they say. We'll be over a third in come Monday.

 

This is the first legitimate high powered offense we will face since Denver. A high powered offense within the new "hands off" NFL rules on defense. (Did you see the 15 yard "you touched him" penalty vs the NY Giants on Jay Cutler??)  The NFL got what they wanted, less defense, lots of points.  Green Bay has put up 28, 38, 30 and 22 vs the Lions.

 

It's gonna come down to our pass rush and secondary, especially at safety.  But if the improvement at home isn't ascertainable, its not too early to say it's too late.

 

If we can hold them to a Lion's output we have a chance.

[runamuk]

 

 

I'm sorry but a team that gave up 7 passing TDs to me is not one that can be described as having "great coverage".

 

I'm sorry but a team that got completely outplayed and dominated in every aspect of the game by a rookie qb and his squad isn't a superior offense. every game on any day in the nfl can be won teams play bad and good depends. making statements based on past performance is not smart .

 

People are getting this vibe that because the Packers are 2-2 that their offense hasn't been playing well.

 

not once in all these pages has anyone said this or eluded to this comment . making stuff up then arguing over it makes no sense . Ravens fans have shown respect to the packers post after post and esp aaron Rodgers.

 

WE prefer to discuss how teams match up . if you want to do that sure lets go but this other stuff is nonsense and is not welcome . as stated before did you really think everyone would say yeah he's right  and we r wrong go packers.......lol

[Tank 92]

The season really isn't as long as they say. We'll be over a third in come Monday.

 

This is the first legitimate high powered offense we will face since Denver. A high powered offense within the new "hands off" NFL rules on defense. (Did you see the 15 yard "you touched him" penalty vs the NY Giants on Jay Cutler??)  The NFL got what they wanted, less defense, lots of points.  Green Bay has put up 28, 38, 30 and 22 vs the Lions.

 

It's gonna come down to our pass rush and secondary, especially at safety.  But if the improvement at home isn't ascertainable, its not too early to say it's too late.

 

If we can hold them to a Lion's output we have a chance.

 

 

For the most part, I agree with what you are saying here. I just don't think this game necessarily is THE indicator of what to expect moving forward. There's still too many unknowns and "works in progress" to make this game the one that shows what to expect in the second half of the season. No one in our division is going to lock things up early, and if we can come out strong after the bye we stand a very good chance of making it into the tournament and doing some damage. 

[GrimCoconut]

I never said the Ravens didn't have a great pass rush. They have an exceptional pass rush with Suggs and Dumervil on the edges with Ngata inside. I'm just not sure they can be classified as a defense that plays "great coverage". You don't give up 7 TDs in a game with a defense that plays great coverage. I understand they've shown improvement but that game wasn't that long ago and frankly the Ravens haven't played a QB that is even in the same league as Rodgers and Manning. The thing about the elite QBs like Rodgers and Manning is that they are so good at masking their team's weaknesses and exploiting those of their opponents. If there is any weak link out there on the field they will find it and exploit it to the max. Rookie players, new starters, gimpy defenders, DBs with poor ball skills. You name it, these guys are going to try to take advantage of it.

Let me make this clear before I begin to make any comments: while our Denver game was not that long ago, neither was your game against the Niners. You've made changes since then and your talented safety is back but it's mostly unchanged. To say our seven TD is possibly indicative of our performance against your team is as ridiculous as me saying your secondary will play the same against us. We both know that's not true. I recognize you're probably not saying that and you're using it as an example to prove this isn't some shutdown secondary and I'd agree but this is also a really good secondary with few as good.

There are quite a few things that impacted us in that game. First of all, I don't think the Ravens respected or even understood what Julius Thomas could do. Furthermore, Arthur Brown barely played and he's our best coverage LB. Bynes played and he's been below average in coverage. I don't expect Finley to have the same performance against us.

Michael Huff played as well. He looked awful. We had to start rookie Elam because of how Huff played. We rarely start rookies early.

I ultimately expect this game to be tough early but I think we can beat you by two TD. You mentioned Haloti Ngata as being good at applying the interior rush but he's not even our best player on the DL in that regard because he's primarily occupying blocks so Canty and Jones can bring the pressure. I expect Upshaw to play more than Dumervil because of his ability to set the edge. You have an improved rush offense. Also I think his skill set is better used against your RT.

Another fact missed is that Webb was still working himself back into the game. He's looking improved but still might not be himself.

I'm not saying this game will be easy but I think it favors us more than you. If all things were equal I'd say it would be closer but I think the Ravens win by two TD and I'm sticking to it. I could be wrong as I'm not a prophet and you won't have to worry about me being a poor sport if we do lose. Just stating how I see the game.

[billick]

We have not done well vs. speedy offenses, 2 losses.

 

This will be a good test of our D.  We need 5 sacks, and we be OK.

[Richmond_Raven]

if you seriously expect  a fan to come back after they lose and admit they made a fool of themselves I wouldn't hold my breathe I am still waiting for a certain Texan fan to come back and continue our discussion on how Schaub is superior to flacco in every way .

[ellicottraven]

Did I say they would be an easy win. No.
 
Aaron Rodgers doesn't play against opposing QBs. His defense does. He is the most consistent QB in the NFL. He routinely holds up his end of the bargain. Let's not try to put Flacco in the same category with Rodgers and Manning.
 
My post was more asking for clarification. The guy said "he wonders what will happen when the Packers finally play a defense with a great pass rush and good coverage". Well Rodgers has played teams like that in SF and Cincy and the Packers came out of those two games with a combined 58 points. The Bengals pass rush is every bit as good as the Ravens and they have a top-notch set of corners to top it off.  The Packers actually ran the ball very well against that stout Cincy defensive front.
 
I'm sorry but a team that gave up 7 passing TDs to me is not one that can be described as having "great coverage". The point is that yes the Ravens have looked better on defense since playing Manning but they haven't played a QB that is even in the same league as him. This week they will. They have shown improvement but its not like we can all forget that the Ravens defense was absolutely humiliated by the last elite QB they played just four weeks ago. Shutting down Tanehill or Weeden isn't the same as playing Rodgers or Manning.
 
People are getting this vibe that because the Packers are 2-2 that their offense hasn't been playing well. They are #3 in overall offense, #4 in passing, #5 in rushing and #3 in scoring. This isn't a ho-hum offense the Ravens are playing this week. This is a talented, well coached unit, led by a QB that has elite accuracy, arm strength, and mobility to top it all off. Rodgers is a very difficult QB to game plan for. You can't just try to move him off the spot like you can with traditional pocket passers. This guy will make you pay outside the pocket as well with 1st down runs and uncanny accuracy while throwing on the run. Wha'ts weird is that he doesn't get flustered after getting hit a few times like most QBs.
 
Unlike what somebody said earlier. Rodgers doesn't in fact look average when he's pressured. He gets pressured a lot. He was sacked 51 times last year yet led the league in passer rating and had the best TD;INT ratio in the NFL.

Those sacks he took is one of the main reasons you guys didn't make it too far into the playoffs. The fact of the matter is he took those sacks when he could have easily thrown the ball away more than half of the time he took those sacks. But, not that wouldn't be right because his stats would be affected. Look, we believe the Ravens cannot be beat in Baltimore, and we also have Joe Flacco who is a proven winner. We are going to win this game by more points than you might be able to guess right now. So, start preparing to win a home game after this loss.

Rodgers has no clue what it is like playing in Baltimore. If this guy lost in Cincy, just figure he is going to lose here. The bottom line is the Ravens are the SB champs, and will show you guys why.

[Tank 92]

Those sacks he took is one of the main reasons you guys didn't make it too far into the playoffs. The fact of the matter is he took those sacks when he could have easily thrown the ball away more than half of the time he took those sacks. But, not that wouldn't be right because his stats would be affected. Look, we believe the Ravens cannot be beat in Baltimore, and we also have Joe Flacco who is a proven winner. We are going to win this game by more points than you might be able to guess right now. So, start preparing to win a home game after this loss.

Rodgers has no clue what it is like playing in Baltimore. If this guy lost in Cincy, just figure he is going to lose here. The bottom line is the Ravens are the SB champs, and will show you guys why.

 

 

I like it!

[Tank 92]

Go Terps!

[ta2d1]

This will be a hard game to watch not because it's the packers but because I'm a ravens fan and want the ravens to win what could be difficult game under normal circumstances, and I find myself quietly rooting for AP, whatever his relationship with his son and ex wife no father should have to endure the loss of a child especially of only 2 years old to an obvious A-hole. I see the ravens getting a win but I will cheer if/when AP scores a TD and reaches for the sky!

[ta2d1]

and whyy i think ap is on the packers I don't know i've been drinking forgive me

[Footman DCXLV]

and whyy i think ap is on the packers I don't know i've been drinking forgive me

 

Nice save. We get Minnesota in week 14. That could be another tough game that I'm glad will be played in Baltimore. 

[Militant X 1]

I'm not sure I get you here. The Packers played SF and Cincy yet you are wondering what will happen when they play a team with a great rush and coverage. You make it seem like SF and Cincy won those games handily. Both teams needed 34 points to win the game. Green Bay actually had the lead against both teams in their house with 5 minutes left in the game.

 

The Lions are not a below average team. They have arguably the best DL in all of football and an explosive offense. The NFC North is arguably the best division in football. Quit acting like the Packers have never seen a good team before.

 

This is going to be a tough win for whoever comes out on top. All I'll say is the Packers are never an easy out. Rodgers is still considered by many to be the best player in the NFL. He's the wildcard. He can have those games where he is just really tough to beat.

 

I can't say the Ravens have a great rush and great coverage. The last time the Ravens played an offense and QB of this caliber they got completely dismantled. They aren't playing EJ Manuel or Brandon Weeden this week.

you gotta be kidding me?  let's keep it real here cheesehead. lol!  the "dismantling" of the Ravens defense you speak of was 6 weeks ago dude.  6 weeks ago!  let it go!  :th_snapoutofit: and like your packers...the Ravens were actually leading vs the broncos going into the half.  and, just because Peyton had that type of game against the Ravens D, it doesn't mean that Rodgers will automatically have that type of game against the Ravens defense...especially at M&T Bank Stadium.  get real!  the packers loss to the 49ers (whom the Ravens have beaten 2xs in their last meetings) and the Bengals (who the Ravens beat constantly).  and as a matter of fact; both of the packers losses came on the road which you conveniently left out and failed to mention in your praise for the packers.  interesting!  you need to realize that the packers aren't playing against Kaepernick, Stafford, or Dalton this week.  so take off your green and yellow shades when you're here in the house of the black and purple! lol!  here's to a great game tomorrow! :258801:

 

~Mili

[PurpleCityLights]

Go Terps!

^^^This

[PurpleCityLights]

Truth be told....... As a Raven fan, I dont really know how far we can go with this O-line, another year of the offense going 3&out half the game & our secondary is bad. If the Packers pick up the blitz well A-Rod is going to kill us.

Another thing on our secondary, they cant cover. But thats why we cut Pollard RIGHT??? he couldn't cover so we drafted Elam cause he is faster & has better cover skills RIGHT???? Then why does our coaching staff have him playing FS NOT SS........?

[Rav'n Maniac]

Looking forward to seeing Goose working the sidelines today. One of my favorite Ravens!

[MrPlankton]

Truth be told....... As a Raven fan, I dont really know how far we can go with this O-line, another year of the offense going 3&out half the game & our secondary is bad. If the Packers pick up the blitz well A-Rod is going to kill us.

Another thing on our secondary, they cant cover. But thats why we cut Pollard RIGHT??? he couldn't cover so we drafted Elam cause he is faster & has better cover skills RIGHT???? Then why does our coaching staff have him playing FS NOT SS........?

 

Because Huff is worse than everyone thought he would be.

[Tank 92]

So I wonder who will suit up today........... Jones?  Brown?  Stokley?

[ellicottraven]

To me, the most important guy that needs to suit up is Haloti Ngata. Any updates on him?

[arnie_uk]

To me, the most important guy that needs to suit up is Haloti Ngata. Any updates on him?

he inky missed two practices, was back by the end of the week, he's playing

[ellicottraven]

he inky missed two practices, was back by the end of the week, he's playing

I know he had a walk through practice on Friday. Anyway, it's good to know. Thanks.

[ellicottraven]

Did I say they would be an easy win. No.
 
Aaron Rodgers doesn't play against opposing QBs. His defense does. He is the most consistent QB in the NFL. He routinely holds up his end of the bargain. Let's not try to put Flacco in the same category with Rodgers and Manning.
 
My post was more asking for clarification. The guy said "he wonders what will happen when the Packers finally play a defense with a great pass rush and good coverage". Well Rodgers has played teams like that in SF and Cincy and the Packers came out of those two games with a combined 58 points. The Bengals pass rush is every bit as good as the Ravens and they have a top-notch set of corners to top it off.  The Packers actually ran the ball very well against that stout Cincy defensive front.
 
I'm sorry but a team that gave up 7 passing TDs to me is not one that can be described as having "great coverage". The point is that yes the Ravens have looked better on defense since playing Manning but they haven't played a QB that is even in the same league as him. This week they will. They have shown improvement but its not like we can all forget that the Ravens defense was absolutely humiliated by the last elite QB they played just four weeks ago. Shutting down Tanehill or Weeden isn't the same as playing Rodgers or Manning.
 
People are getting this vibe that because the Packers are 2-2 that their offense hasn't been playing well. They are #3 in overall offense, #4 in passing, #5 in rushing and #3 in scoring. This isn't a ho-hum offense the Ravens are playing this week. This is a talented, well coached unit, led by a QB that has elite accuracy, arm strength, and mobility to top it all off. Rodgers is a very difficult QB to game plan for. You can't just try to move him off the spot like you can with traditional pocket passers. This guy will make you pay outside the pocket as well with 1st down runs and uncanny accuracy while throwing on the run. Wha'ts weird is that he doesn't get flustered after getting hit a few times like most QBs.
 
Unlike what somebody said earlier. Rodgers doesn't in fact look average when he's pressured. He gets pressured a lot. He was sacked 51 times last year yet led the league in passer rating and had the best TD;INT ratio in the NFL.

Here, let me make it simple for you. If you want to compare, it's easy. We won the SB last year and you didn't. Second, the only team that we've played 2 times in a row that you have also played against are the Niners. You know the outcome of those games for the Packers. Losses! And do you know how we fared against the Niners the last 2 times we played against them? Not even turning the stadium lights off could save them! So, does it mean anything? Not really, but it does mean that we can beat you without breaking a sweat when we are on. And you know it too!