Is Juan Castillo the problem?

[The Raven]

What has he brought to the table? Does Moeller need to be fired? I think it's too many cooks in the kitchen. All these offensive minds resulting in that ___ poor product. Ravens never had a run game coordinator and the run game was always fine. I'm not for or against your argument, I'm just kind of confused

 

Castillo has brought a lot of coaching experience and knowledge of offensive lines to the table. It's obvious to me that he knows his stuff. I don't think his wrinkles could possibly cause this much of a difference when the scheme has been the same.

 

If you ask me, it's a combination of Gino, inexperience, and lack of chemistry. Maybe even a lack of leadership on the line. I've defended Gino to the death, and I am still very much behind him, but his inexperience is hurting us right now. He isn't making the right calls at times. The ZBS requires offensive linemen to identify fronts like a pre snap read in order to determine who to block. Oher and KO are struggling there. They are pathetic in their reads from what I can see. Birk may have done more to point that sort of stuff out. There's also a lack of chemistry and trust, which is what I think is making Yanda look bad. Yanda has regressed a bit, and I think it's because of chemistry and lack of trust in Gino. The ZBS is dependent on combination blocks. Both KO and Yanda have struggled at times with combo blocks involving Gino. Gino needs a little more help with them so far, which causes Yanda and KO to be unable to get to the second level. 

 

I think Gino will get there eventually, but right now, it's all on him. 

[GrimCoconut]

Castillo has brought a lot of coaching experience and knowledge of offensive lines to the table. It's obvious to me that he knows his stuff. I don't think his wrinkles could possibly cause this much of a difference when the scheme has been the same.

If you ask me, it's a combination of Gino, inexperience, and lack of chemistry. Maybe even a lack of leadership on the line. I've defended Gino to the death, and I am still very much behind him, but his inexperience is hurting us right now. He isn't making the right calls at times. The ZBS requires offensive linemen to identify fronts like a pre snap read in order to determine who to block. Oher and KO are struggling there. They are pathetic in their reads from what I can see. Birk may have done more to point that sort of stuff out. There's also a lack of chemistry and trust, which is what I think is making Yanda look bad. Yanda has regressed a bit, and I think it's because of chemistry and lack of trust in Gino. The ZBS is dependent on combination blocks. Both KO and Yanda have struggled at times with combo blocks involving Gino. Gino needs a little more help with them so far, which causes Yanda and KO to be unable to get to the second level.

I think Gino will get there eventually, but right now, it's all on him.

There's no question Gino is the problem with the OL and there's no question he's got mental challenges and not physical ones. I'm not in favor of removing him because these are the growing pains you'll see. Might as well bite the bullet. He's a small school center from Delaware. These growing pains are expected. Even Saint Peter Konz is struggling

[The Raven]

There's no question Gino is the problem with the OL and there's no question he's got mental challenges and not physical ones. I'm not in favor of removing him because these are the growing pains you'll see. Might as well bite the bullet. He's a small school center from Delaware. These growing pains are expected. Even Saint Peter Konz is struggling

 

There's no question that Gino has mental challenges right now. I don't think he's dumb, but I think the jump from small school to NFL was a big jump, mentally.

 

Physically, he's fine. People spew nonsense about Gino getting thrown around, but that's far from the truth. He's more than held his own physically. 

[GrimCoconut]

There's no question that Gino has mental challenges right now. I don't think he's dumb, but I think the jump from small school to NFL was a big jump, mentally.

Physically, he's fine. People spew nonsense about Gino getting thrown around, but that's far from the truth. He's more than held his own physically.

Yeah. The way I see it is ride him out unless you know there's a better option on this roster. I'd sooner bench Yanda and put Jensen at RG and let Yanda heal than remove Gino at this moment.

[The Raven]

Yeah. The way I see it is ride him out unless you know there's a better option on this roster. I'd sooner bench Yanda and put Jensen at RG and let Yanda heal than remove Gino at this moment.

 

Lol that's extreme! Not a bad idea to sit Yanda a few games though, now that you mention it. If we find someone capable, I guess I'm not against it. 

[GrimCoconut]

Lol that's extreme! Not a bad idea to sit Yanda a few games though, now that you mention it. If we find someone capable, I guess I'm not against it.

It is but what else can we do. Yanda is struggling and I think it's a combination of injury and Gino. He played better early on against Denver from what I recall but he's gotten worse. I'd rather bench him so he can get some rest, heal that cuff, get healthy for late in the year because we'll either make the playoffs or not. I'd rather bite the bullet now to get Yanda healthy than risk him staying like this because we'll get bounced round one in the playoffs at this rate unless the offense goes super saiyan four.

Perhaps that's why we've kept Jensen around? He did play for Yanda while he was out.

[runamuk]

Would it be fair to say that yes we have used zbs for years. however we are now using the inside blocking scheme more then the stretch or outside blocking this year ? what about man on man hat for a hat blocking would that fix the problem? maybe letting gino "learn from the bench " if a better center is available .

 

novice football fan just trying to understand .

not as novice as you claim. at this point there's nothing to lose by trying different things to correct the issues on the run game . the problem with 'learning from the bench" we don't have a viable option . gino played better then shipley . we have one center on the ps and another who is healing from a broken foot ,,,,but he's a rookie no clue how he will play.  welcome to the forums

[The Raven]

It is but what else can we do. Yanda is struggling and I think it's a combination of injury and Gino. He played better early on against Denver from what I recall but he's gotten worse. I'd rather bench him so he can get some rest, heal that cuff, get healthy for late in the year because we'll either make the playoffs or not. I'd rather bite the bullet now to get Yanda healthy than risk him staying like this because we'll get bounced round one in the playoffs at this rate unless the offense goes super saiyan four.

Perhaps that's why we've kept Jensen around? He did play for Yanda while he was out.

Yeah, makes sense. I do think it's more Gino than injury, but he could use time off. 

 

Maybe we could start Jensen at RG to rest him, and if Jensen impresses, he'll take KO's spot at LG...  :268213:

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, makes sense. I do think it's more Gino than injury, but he could use time off.

Maybe we could start Jensen at RG to rest him, and if Jensen impresses, he'll take KO's spot at LG... :268213:

I wouldn't mind trying Wagner at LG.

[The Raven]

I wouldn't mind trying Wagner at LG.

 

Certainly an option at this point.

[flynismo]

You guys are crazy. It's clearly Flacco's fault

[PerpetuallyBored74]

It doesn't matter if Castillo is the problem because he's going to take the fall regardless.

It's obvious that the ZBS is a bad fit for this O-line, but our coaches keep going back to it like stubborn fools.

 

Einstein's definition of insanity, that's what we're seeing here.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

You guys are crazy. It's clearly Flacco's fault

 

No, it's Cam's.

[flynismo]

No, it's Cam's.

It's Flacco's fault that it was Cam's

[PerpetuallyBored74]

It's Flacco's fault that it was Cam's

 

It's Zorn's fault that it was Flacco's fault that it was Cam's.

[Wisdom]

He may not be the problem but as the O-Line Run Coordinator, he is definitely part of the problem.

[adam713]

It's Nike's fault! THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER MESSED WITH THE JERSEY'S THAT WON US A SB!!

 

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[ravens_fan123]

Shipley had a few bad plays in the one preseason game.  Have you taken the time to look at his entire body of work?  He had a GREAT year with Indy last year.  Educate yourself beyond one game.  

 

Did you happen to notice they rushed for over 100 yards last week against the Dolphins?  They have yet to do that in any other game this year.  Wasn't Shipley the LG in that game for all but a few plays.  

 

Do you really think a rookie from a small school is going to be the answer?  He has NEVER played center at a completive level.  He decided to snap at his pro day just because.  If he was so good, he would have been listed above Gino and AQ to start camp.  We didn't see that happen.  He was healthy at the start of camp if I do recall.  

 

Replace Gino with Shipley . . . I bet the line does WAY better!

[T3hRaven]

It doesn't matter if Castillo is the problem because he's going to take the fall regardless.

It's obvious that the ZBS is a bad fit for this O-line, but our coaches keep going back to it like stubborn fools.

 

Einstein's definition of insanity, that's what we're seeing here.

 

It's funny, when I watch this team run the ball I think of the exact same thing.

[ellicottraven]

Harbaugh has this addiction for ZBS like a crack addict has to crack. Don't blame the supplier (Juan Castillo), blame the addict(Harbaugh)!

[T3hRaven]

Harbaugh has this addiction for ZBS like a crack addict has to crack. Don't blame the supplier (Juan Castillo), blame the addict(Harbaugh)!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXqAJwrSiIc

 

We've been using the zone run scheme for four years now, Castillo has nothing to do with that.

[ellicottraven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXqAJwrSiIc
 
We've been using the zone run scheme for four years now, Castillo has nothing to do with that.

lol. That was funny! Thanks for the rebuke!

[The Raven]

Shipley had a few bad plays in the one preseason game.  Have you taken the time to look at his entire body of work?  He had a GREAT year with Indy last year.  Educate yourself beyond one game.  

 

Did you happen to notice they rushed for over 100 yards last week against the Dolphins?  They have yet to do that in any other game this year.  Wasn't Shipley the LG in that game for all but a few plays.  

 

Do you really think a rookie from a small school is going to be the answer?  He has NEVER played center at a completive level.  He decided to snap at his pro day just because.  If he was so good, he would have been listed above Gino and AQ to start camp.  We didn't see that happen.  He was healthy at the start of camp if I do recall.  

 

Replace Gino with Shipley . . . I bet the line does WAY better!

 

That's completely incorrect.

 

Although, I'm starting to consider Shipley as an option at center. Just a matter of if the FO thinks so. 

[jimjim5]

so are you saying that KO and Oher can't identify fronts, but Yanda is so smart... Yanda can? Yanda's problem is Gino, not Yanda? ....Man get out of here with that. If you really watched and didn't play favorites, you would notice that Oher is probably the best lineman in this scheme.

Gino, McKinnie the spacegoat, Oher, KO, Dickson,
don't get passes, neither should Yanda. They all are
[profanity deleted]ty at this moment. Oher less so. How does this happen in less than a year with no football being
played between that time? Simple. What were the
two change that took place beteeen that time?

If the team doesn't correct the two problems in a expeditious manner, then the problem is no longer Castillo's. The problrm is the head coach. This crap is Bad Coaching Cronyism 3.0 . For all of the organization and displine Harbs brings to the table, this ruins his record.

Castillo has brought a lot of coaching experience and knowledge of offensive lines to the table. It's obvious to me that he knows his stuff. I don't think his wrinkles could possibly cause this much of a difference when the scheme has been the same.

If you ask me, it's a combination of Gino, inexperience, and lack of chemistry. Maybe even a lack of leadership on the line. I've defended Gino to the death, and I am still very much behind him, but his inexperience is hurting us right now. He isn't making the right calls at times. The ZBS requires offensive linemen to identify fronts like a pre snap read in order to determine who to block. Oher and KO are struggling there. They are pathetic in their reads from what I can see. Birk may have done more to point that sort of stuff out. There's also a lack of chemistry and trust, which is what I think is making Yanda look bad. Yanda has regressed a bit, and I think it's because of chemistry and lack of trust in Gino. The ZBS is dependent on combination blocks. Both KO and Yanda have struggled at times with combo blocks involving Gino. Gino needs a little more help with them so far, which causes Yanda and KO to be unable to get to the second level.

I think Gino will get there eventually, but right now, it's all on him.

[JO_75]

Ok, prior to the Monroe trade the only change to the o-line was Matt Birk retiring and Gino replacing him. Since Gino took over our o-line has been worse. I have an easy solution to tell whose really at fault.

 

Let's get Birk out of retirement, bench Gino. If our O-line improves with Birk back under center than we will know Gino was the reason our line has been awful.

 

Now let's say Birk comes back and the o-line play doesn't improve, than we know it is Juan Castillo and his scheme.

[jdynamite]

As read some of these comments it's funny many people are pointing out that Castillo can't be at fault because we've run ZBS before he got here!

Wow really! Yes we've ran some ZBS in fact when we signed Leach we began to run more ZB runs because he was so familiar with it in Houston. But it was just a part of the run game while we still had plenty of power runs.

Some fans are complaining that we are too focused on ZBS now and that our OLine personnel don't fit the ZB mode, which is true those are usually smaller quicker linemen that can turn the corner and pull ( like Denver with Shanahan ).

I'd like to actually know some stats of how we have run on plays with zone blocking this year vs previous years.

[GrimCoconut]

Ok, prior to the Monroe trade the only change to the o-line was Matt Birk retiring and Gino replacing him. Since Gino took over our o-line has been worse. I have an easy solution to tell whose really at fault.

Let's get Birk out of retirement, bench Gino. If our O-line improves with Birk back under center than we will know Gino was the reason our line has been awful.

Now let's say Birk comes back and the o-line play doesn't improve, than we know it is Juan Castillo and his scheme.

Lol. Now that's a novelty. I can imagine how that phone call goes.

Ozzie: yo, Matt! I know you've been watching the games. We need your help. #return?

Matt: you got it brother! I'm seriously out of football shape and I've been doing a lot of political stuff lately. Is that cool? #fatandlazylol

Ozzie: I'll take all the help I can get!!!

[The Raven]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Harbaugh: &quot;We know what changes we&#39;re making, whether it&#39;s personnel changes or, more likely, scheme changes. Not major things.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Ravens&amp;src=hash">#Ravens</a></p>&mdash; Luke Jones (@BaltimoreLuke) <a href="https://twitter.com/BaltimoreLuke/statuses/389865817283645440">October 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Or perhaps scheme is the issue here...

[Jokerraven]

As read some of these comments it's funny many people are pointing out that Castillo can't be at fault because we've run ZBS before he got here!

Wow really! Yes we've ran some ZBS in fact when we signed Leach we began to run more ZB runs because he was so familiar with it in Houston. But it was just a part of the run game while we still had plenty of power runs.

Some fans are complaining that we are too focused on ZBS now and that our OLine personnel don't fit the ZB mode, which is true those are usually smaller quicker linemen that can turn the corner and pull ( like Denver with Shanahan ).

I'd like to actually know some stats of how we have run on plays with zone blocking this year vs previous years.

this year we haven't played much if any stretch zone plays mostly inside zone plays . Your correct our players are more suited for outside or stretch zone plays mixed with man to man . it seems to me we are trying to shove a round peg into a square hole

[Jokerraven]

Lol. Now that's a novelty. I can imagine how that phone call goes.

Ozzie: yo, Matt! I know you've been watching the games. We need your help. #return?

Matt: you got it brother! I'm seriously out of football shape and I've been doing a lot of political stuff lately. Is that cool? #fatandlazylol

Ozzie: I'll take all the help I can get!!!

this is hilarious and real