Is Juan Castillo the problem?

[berad]

Do we get any draft picks for the retired players ?

Nope, only players that we don't re-sign and get signed elsewhere - guys like Ellerbe, Kruger, Reed, Williams, etc. Players that we don't re-sign and don't get signed elsewhere - Kemoeatu, Considine - aren't considered. People we cut or trade - Boldin, Pollard - we don't get any compensatory picks. Same for retirees.

Now, balance the players who's contracts expired and signed elsewhere versus the guys we brought in under the same situation. Daryl Smith was a player like that; his Jaguars contract expired and we brought him in. He'll fit into the situation somehow and count 'against' us in the compensatory pick lottery.

They decide the rounds of the picks based on the value of players lost - some secretive formula that factors both salary and production.

[GrimCoconut]

Nope, only players that we don't re-sign and get signed elsewhere - guys like Ellerbe, Kruger, Reed, Williams, etc. Players that we don't re-sign and don't get signed elsewhere - Kemoeatu, Considine - aren't considered. People we cut or trade - Boldin, Pollard - we don't get any compensatory picks. Same for retirees.

Now, balance the players who's contracts expired and signed elsewhere versus the guys we brought in under the same situation. Daryl Smith was a player like that; his Jaguars contract expired and we brought him in. He'll fit into the situation somehow and count 'against' us in the compensatory pick lottery.

They decide the rounds of the picks based on the value of players lost - some secretive formula that factors both salary and production.

Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly but Daryl Smith won't count against us for compensatory picks considering that he was signed after June 1st. Any signing after June 1st isn't counted towards compensatory selections.

[redravenfan]

Nope, only players that we don't re-sign and get signed elsewhere - guys like Ellerbe, Kruger, Reed, Williams, etc. Players that we don't re-sign and don't get signed elsewhere - Kemoeatu, Considine - aren't considered. People we cut or trade - Boldin, Pollard - we don't get any compensatory picks. Same for retirees.

Now, balance the players who's contracts expired and signed elsewhere versus the guys we brought in under the same situation. Daryl Smith was a player like that; his Jaguars contract expired and we brought him in. He'll fit into the situation somehow and count 'against' us in the compensatory pick lottery.

They decide the rounds of the picks based on the value of players lost - some secretive formula that factors both salary and production.

Thanks Berad appreciate the info

[Jokerraven]

Nope, only players that we don't re-sign and get signed elsewhere - guys like Ellerbe, Kruger, Reed, Williams, etc. Players that we don't re-sign and don't get signed elsewhere - Kemoeatu, Considine - aren't considered. People we cut or trade - Boldin, Pollard - we don't get any compensatory picks. Same for retirees.

Now, balance the players who's contracts expired and signed elsewhere versus the guys we brought in under the same situation. Daryl Smith was a player like that; his Jaguars contract expired and we brought him in. He'll fit into the situation somehow and count 'against' us in the compensatory pick lottery.

They decide the rounds of the picks based on the value of players lost - some secretive formula that factors both salary and production.

 

Thanks I wondered about this myself cause we lost so many I figured this would be a huge draft

 

 

[berad]

GrimCoconut, on 03 Nov 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:
Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly but Daryl Smith won't count against us for compensatory picks considering that he was signed after June 1st. Any signing after June 1st isn't counted towards compensatory selections.

Oh I missed that part of it, thank you for letting me know. Researching how the NFL gives out compensatory picks is ambiguous at best - speaking of the exact formula.

[tctony]

YES.

 

Fire this bum.

[jimmypowder]

How could out run game go down the tubes this badly even with the injuries we have had on the oline? I have zero confidence in Rice getting even a yard running behind them . And Rice looks like he's finished . Fire Castillo now !!!

[stone fresh]

We didn't even need to trade for Monroe and get rid of McKinnie. Harbaugh has been waiting years now to use McKinnie as a scapegoat (especially after how well he played during the playoff run) and he finally had the chance. McKinnie never had the athleticism (more specifically footwork) to be part of a zone blocking scheme and neither do any of our other linemen. The problem is that they "fixed" what was never broken. Go back to what worked.

[D_UP]

If you have maulers, let them maul. We are not Houston. Get that Zone blocking scheme outta here.

[nyc9192]

YES.

 

Fire this bum.

Took the words right outta my mouth.Hes definitely the problem but not the only one.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name="stone fresh" post="1650480" timestamp="1383528487"] We didn't even need to trade for Monroe and get rid of McKinnie. Harbaugh has been waiting years now to use McKinnie as a scapegoat (especially after how well he played during the playoff run) and he finally had the chance. McKinnie never had the athleticism (more specifically footwork) to be part of a zone blocking scheme and neither do any of our other linemen. The problem is that they "fixed" what was never broken. [b]Go back to what worked.[/b][/quote] Yep

[easternshore97]

BMac being totally candid

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2013/10/26/5030856/bryant-mckinnie-not-sure-why-ravens-brought-in-run-game-coordinator

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-bryant-mckinnie-says-he-left-ravens-with-no-regrets-weighs-in-on-transition-to-juan-castillo-20131026,0,1111283.story

Good news guys. Somewhere in one of these articles, Big Mac mentions how Juan Castillo says the ZBS will take about 8-9 weeks before everyone is comfy and on the same page. Well....you guessed it - we're pretty much at the 9 week mark!!! Whoo-Hoooooo!!!!!

 

It'll all be fixed going forward!

[RaRaRavens]

The topic says it all.

 

If you agree, DO NOT POST! (like if u want)

I only want to hear the arguments, why the hell should we keep him.
Having seen what he has done for half of season, I can not imagine one single reason why Ravens should keep him.

[Gordo52]

On board with this. Probably won't happen any time soon and I might be over reacting but this is the worse I've ever seen our "running game". I blame the majority of it to our OL

[cookiedood]

If you really want to know the problem, and you think that it is coaching, then you need look no further than the OC Jim Caldwell. I was going ballistic when they signed this guy, and I was even more furious when they named him the OC. Please do not give me the story about how he was responsible for the Super Bowl win. He inherited the Cam Cameron system, and he just kept calling the same plays as Cameron. They won the Super Bowl because they got healthy at the right time. Caldwell is not now, nor will he ever be a good OC. He was given too much credit for the success of Peyton Manning. We saw how good he was when Manning was out for a year. Jim Caldwell does not have any creativity, he doesn't call play action passes, he is very predictable . It is not real hard for a team to defense the Ravens when they pretty much know what plays are coming. I said that this team would look like this, way back in preseason, and they have done nothing to prove me wrong. The Ravens will not be winners until they get a real OC.

[The Raven]

If you really want to know the problem, and you think that it is coaching, then you need look no further than the OC Jim Caldwell. I was going ballistic when they signed this guy, and I was even more furious when they named him the OC. Please do not give me the story about how he was responsible for the Super Bowl win. He inherited the Cam Cameron system, and he just kept calling the same plays as Cameron. They won the Super Bowl because they got healthy at the right time. Caldwell is not now, nor will he ever be a good OC. He was given too much credit for the success of Peyton Manning. We saw how good he was when Manning was out for a year. Jim Caldwell does not have any creativity, he doesn't call play action passes, he is very predictable . It is not real hard for a team to defense the Ravens when they pretty much know what plays are coming. I said that this team would look like this, way back in preseason, and they have done nothing to prove me wrong. The Ravens will not be winners until they get a real OC.

 

Lol, how did you not notice the obvious improvement in play calling under Caldwell? Wow!

[easternshore97]

Why did we need the ZBS anyway?

[Jokerraven]

I don't know why it was changed to being with . What's even more puzzling is why stick with it when you know it is not working . The coaches know it , the fans know it and even the the play by play announcers know it . ARE the reporters that cover the ravens censored cause not one person has asked Harbaugh or Caldell why they are sticking to something that is an abject failure .

[Corvus_corax]

I wish I could say what I really think of Juan Castillo but I would be immediately banned if I did. So all I will say is this........

 

Get this *beepin beep* away from my team! He has destroyed our running game. :34853_brickwall:

[redravenfan]

I don't know why it was changed to being with . What's even more puzzling is why stick with it when you know it is not working . The coaches know it , the fans know it and even the the play by play announcers know it . ARE the reporters that cover the ravens censored cause not one person has asked Harbaugh or Caldell why they are sticking to something that is an abject failure .

harbaugh is not going to change it previously in this thread I posted an article about zbs written on Russell street you commented how that was a fan site / They were correct everything they said was correct. they said we were not going to abandon it regardless of the outcome . harbaugh knew going in it could take up to 9 games or longer to click and mckinnie confirmed it . This Cleveland game was proof. They have no intention of changing it regardless if we lose every game for the rest of the year. no one knows why . I have heard it works for the Texans . sadly we are the ravens and it doesn't work . Joe knows too he chooses his word very carefully in pressors now .

[runamuk]

harbaugh is not going to change it previously in this thread I posted an article about zbs written on Russell street you commented how that was a fan site / They were correct everything they said was correct. they said we were not going to abandon it regardless of the outcome . harbaugh knew going in it could take up to 9 games or longer to click and mckinnie confirmed it . This Cleveland game was proof. They have no intention of changing it regardless if we lose every game for the rest of the year. no one knows why . I have heard it works for the Texans . sadly we are the ravens and it doesn't work . Joe knows too he chooses his word very carefully in pressors now .

I remember that I bought into the rumors that we were changing back and Castillo was demoted . I think the players know the problem but can't say it don't expect joe to say a word or anyone else. I notice one thing the players keep saying 'we had good practice everything went well etc etc .is it possible the new scheme is working there just not translating to game. who knows I jst hope someone ie..steve or ozzie puts there foot down and stops it .

[blackbird29]

It won't change and his buddies aren't going anywhere unless Steve B. gets involved. But it won't happen. The Steelers have Todd Haley and we have Juan Castillo. Bummer.

[blackbird29]

Why did we need the ZBS anyway?

Because Harbum's best friend wants to use it. That's why.

[T3hRaven]

Lol, how did you not notice the obvious improvement in play calling under Caldwell? Wow!

 

The change in routes called is well documented.  To act like there was no difference is to be blind to the truth.  Caldwell was put in charge and suddenly routes were called and passes were thrown into the middle of the field.  That's was the biggest difference.

[stone fresh]

Call me a fair weather fan or whatever you like but I don't think I can watch another Ravens game until Castillo is gone. Now understand this isn't simply because they're losing. Its because they're losing and making literally ZERO effort to fix anything. I can't stand by and watch my beloved Ravens suffer because of blatant stubbornness. I fully believe we have the players to be a good team but the coaching staff refuses to use players to their strengths and go back to what worked for the last 5 years. If they were playing full football games to their full potential and losing it wouldn't be so bad, but to put out a mediocre unit week in and week out then cry when you're losing is just ridiculous.

[stone fresh]

The change in routes called is well documented.  To act like there was no difference is to be blind to the truth.  Caldwell was put in charge and suddenly routes were called and passes were thrown into the middle of the field.  That's was the biggest difference.

Exactly correct. Caldwell isn't the problem. He lost the only 2 guys he had with consistent hands and route running skills to go over the middle. When you aren't scaring defenses in the short, middle, AND deep field you're gonna be in for a long day. Pitta should be enough to make the passing offense good again but the run game is screwed until Castillo is gone.

[T3hRaven]

Exactly correct. Caldwell isn't the problem. He lost the only 2 guys he had with consistent hands and route running skills to go over the middle. When you aren't scaring defenses in the short, middle, AND deep field you're gonna be in for a long day. Pitta should be enough to make the passing offense good again but the run game is screwed until Castillo is gone.

 

I'm not going to go so far as to say Caldwell isn't part of the problem this year.  I don't know who it is that keeps forcing these runs for no gain up the middle.  The lack of variety in play calling is a problem, whoever's fault it is.  I don't know how bad it was yesterday though.  I'm still putting most of the blame on the offensive line.

[stone fresh]

I remember that I bought into the rumors that we were changing back and Castillo was demoted . I think the players know the problem but can't say it don't expect joe to say a word or anyone else. I notice one thing the players keep saying 'we had good practice everything went well etc etc .is it possible the new scheme is working there just not translating to game. who knows I jst hope someone ie..steve or ozzie puts there foot down and stops it .

Its because Harbaugh's doghouse has gotten everyone scared into thinking the second they call him out they'll be on the bench. They weren't afraid of that with Ray and Ed around because they put a lot of power onto the players side (and if you think this isn't true, go read about last years "mutiny" when Ed and other players called out Harbs for having a padded practice, the players ultimately won and didn't practice in pads). Now Harbaugh has gotten rid of them and there is no safety net for the players. Harbaugh is playing judge, jury, and executioner. Flacco needs to become more vocal on this situation because he is the only one Harbaugh wont throw under the bus. If Flacco were to come out and say "we need to change our running scheme back to what worked. If it isn't broken, why fix it?" and I swear Harbaugh would actually listen.

[ravensgirl4shore]

I was wondering about the new coach too but I read an interview with Bryant McKinnie just before he left the team, stating that Coach Castillo did make a lot of changes & the players were struggling some, trying to learn to do things the new way.

But he said that they were starting to get it all together & should do much better in the 2nd half of the season.  Hopefully that will start being true ASAP.

[runamuk]

Its because Harbaugh's doghouse has gotten everyone scared into thinking the second they call him out they'll be on the bench. They weren't afraid of that with Ray and Ed around because they put a lot of power onto the players side (and if you think this isn't true, go read about last years "mutiny" when Ed and other players called out Harbs for having a padded practice, the players ultimately won and didn't practice in pads). Now Harbaugh has gotten rid of them and there is no safety net for the players. Harbaugh is playing judge, jury, and executioner. Flacco needs to become more vocal on this situation because he is the only one Harbaugh wont throw under the bus. If Flacco were to come out and say "we need to change our running scheme back to what worked. If it isn't broken, why fix it?" and I swear Harbaugh would actually listen.

The thing I can't get my mind around is everyone is talking about how badly the new "blocking scheme" is effecting this team . the announcers last night were hammering that point over and over. John himself is a good coach he has to know what can turn this season around . Ozzie and steve too why insist on it if it isn't working ,John wanted them gone I know regardless of the effect it has had .