Taking a Page from the Patriots Front Office

[The Raven]

Bill Belichick has long built his team around the offensive line and Brady, while finding role-players at RB and WR. According to this article (http://cover32.com/patriots/2013/09/27/win-or-lose-its-up-to-the-offensive-line/), they pay an average of $22 million a year on the line, double all positions except for the QB.

 

The addition of Monroe makes the information relevant. Yanda already has a big deal and should be a career Raven. We need to hang on to Monroe. Oher could be deemed necessary to retain. KO could be due for a big deal soon, and Gino could too down the road. The point is, if we want continuity on the line, and to duplicate the incredible offensive line play that the Patriots have, we may have to pay our line the big bucks. 

 

I think it's a good idea, mainly because the Patriots, outside of Gronk, Moss, Welker, and Hernandez, have had role players at every position. Right now, Brady is working with a rookie, and two career slot guys. Yet, they are 4-0. How is that possible? Watch them play. Brady routinely has an unbelievable 4+ seconds of protection, and they constantly open holes in the running game. 

 

The issue with this is that skill players like Torrey, Pitta, and Rice, or the defense may be deemed expendable. This could be an issue. 

 

Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to take a page from the Patriots' method of building a team?

[Ravenseconbeast]

what does getting monroe has to do with us replicating patriots?   

 

we got a possible LT or depth in oline.     you are reading way too much into the line.  

[The Raven]

what does getting monroe has to do with us replicating patriots?   

 

we got a possible LT or depth in oline.     you are reading way too much into the line.  

 

Did I not explain it well enough for you? I thought the information I provided was sufficient for a basic understanding of the premise. Suppose not! No surprises.

[T3hRaven]

I'm an advocate for the Patriot way of doing things, although I'd like to keep Torrey Smith.  The OL is vitally important once you get a QB, especially a pocket passer like a Brady or a Flacco.  We've seen what Joe can do with protection, time to focus on protecting him.

[rmw10]

I've always been one of those that advocates building the trenches, but I do think Brady is realizing that you need a least a couple of reliable targets, even though they are magically 4-0. We have one of those targets in Torrey, and hopefully another if Pitta comes back fully healthy.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Did I not explain it well enough for you? I thought the information I provided was sufficient for a basic understanding of the premise. Suppose not! No surprises.

 

Nope... you sounds like you are making fool of yourself.  like you always do.  but that's alright with me.

[flynismo]

Bill Belichick has long built his team around the offensive line and Brady, while finding role-players at RB and WR. According to this article (http://cover32.com/patriots/2013/09/27/win-or-lose-its-up-to-the-offensive-line/), they pay an average of $22 million a year on the line, double all positions except for the QB.

 

The addition of Monroe makes the information relevant. Yanda already has a big deal and should be a career Raven. We need to hang on to Monroe. Oher could be deemed necessary to retain. KO could be due for a big deal soon, and Gino could too down the road. The point is, if we want continuity on the line, and to duplicate the incredible offensive line play that the Patriots have, we may have to pay our line the big bucks. 

 

I think it's a good idea, mainly because the Patriots, outside of Gronk, Moss, Welker, and Hernandez, have had role players at every position. Right now, Brady is working with a rookie, and two career slot guys. Yet, they are 4-0. How is that possible? Watch them play. Brady routinely has an unbelievable 4+ seconds of protection, and they constantly open holes in the running game. 

 

The issue with this is that skill players like Torrey, Pitta, and Rice, or the defense may be deemed expendable. This could be an issue. 

 

Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to take a page from the Patriots' method of building a team?

 

 

Absolutely.

 

I think the time is ripe to pull another blockbuster trade (if the financial aspect makes sense) and trade Ngata for a good center and a solid TE. Wonder if Houston would give us Chris Meyers and Garret Graham for Ngata??

[SecretAgentMan]

Absolutely.

 

I think the time is ripe to pull another blockbuster trade (if the financial aspect makes sense) and trade Ngata for a good center and a solid TE. Wonder if Houston would give us Chris Meyers and Garret Graham for Ngata??

To put Ngata next to Watt, we BETTER be asking for a lot more than that.....

 

Meyers is great and all, but Ngata still was an all pro last season.....

 

Smith is a pro bowler

Watt is the best in the game.

Put Ngata at NT?

 

We better be asking for a lot more.....  Just saying.

[flynismo]

To put Ngata next to Watt, we BETTER be asking for a lot more than that.....

 

Meyers is great and all, but Ngata still was an all pro last season.....

 

Smith is a pro bowler

Watt is the best in the game.

Put Ngata at NT?

 

We better be asking for a lot more.....  Just saying.

 

I'll let you in on a little secret....Ngata is past his prime.

 

And Meyers is an absolute stud. Now that I think of it, you notice how quiet Ngata was against Meyers the last couple times we played Houston?

 

Garrett Graham would be a total Ozzie move....an under-the-radar guy who becomes a big contributor when finally given the chance.

 

Really, I dont think Houston would accept that offer if we made it (assuming that the financial part works out)

[SecretAgentMan]

I'll let you in on a little secret....Ngata is past his prime.

 

And Meyers is an absolute stud. Now that I think of it, you notice how quiet Ngata was against Meyers the last couple times we played Houston?

Still doesn't mean that he's not better than most of the NTs in the NFL.

 

Smith

Ngata

Watt

 

Would be impossible for most olines to stop.

[SecretAgentMan]

 

Garrett Graham would be a total Ozzie move....an under-the-radar guy who becomes a big contributor when finally given the chance.

 

Really, I dont think Houston would accept that offer if we made it (assuming that the financial part works out)

Actually, I wouldn't mind sending over a late round pick for the guy.

 

That should seriously be an option

[T3hRaven]

Absolutely.

 

I think the time is ripe to pull another blockbuster trade (if the financial aspect makes sense) and trade Ngata for a good center and a solid TE. Wonder if Houston would give us Chris Meyers and Garret Graham for Ngata??

 

The financial aspect doesn't make sense and the deal simply can't happen.  Ngata can be traded in 2015, but the cap hit is too much before that.  I think Rice is a similar situation.

[flynismo]

Still doesn't mean that he's not better than most of the NTs in the NFL.

 

Smith

Ngata

Watt

 

Would be impossible for most olines to stop.

 

Most Olines is irrelevant, what matters is how this would affect our team. We've seen first hand that Meyers can stonewall Ngata; and Monroe gives us a much better chance of containing Watt than McKinnie does.

[flynismo]

The financial aspect doesn't make sense and the deal simply can't happen.  Ngata can be traded in 2015, but the cap hit is too much before that.  I think Rice is a similar situation.

 

Damn....guess I should forget about the petition for my fictitious trade lol.

[flynismo]

Back on topic...

 

How furious is our front office? If the second half of the Buffalo game wasn't clear enough of a message sent, this trade must really have certain guys named McKinnie, KO, Gino and Oher concerned about their futures in this league, or at least with us.

[T3hRaven]

Most Olines is irrelevant, what matters is how this would affect our team. We've seen first hand that Meyers can stonewall Ngata; and Monroe gives us a much better chance of containing Watt than McKinnie does.

 

If memory serves, Watt was matched up against Yanda for a lot of the Houston game because he's an interior rusher.  Monroe will help overall and with outside guys, but that's not what Watt is.  Of course you could make the argument that Watt is the best defensive player in the game, so getting beat by him isn't unexpected.

[The Raven]

Nope... you sounds like you are making fool of yourself.  like you always do.  but that's alright with me.

 

Irony abound.

 

If I'm so foolish, how have I sparked intelligent conversation here? The only conversation you spark is of troll alarms and Joe Flacco hater alerts.

 

Mods, I'm leaving it at that.

[SecretAgentMan]

Irony abound.

Lol. I thought you were going to go all 10 page essay on him. But those two words just made my night(other than the trade).
Nice one

[The Raven]

I'll let you in on a little secret....Ngata is past his prime.

 

And Meyers is an absolute stud. Now that I think of it, you notice how quiet Ngata was against Meyers the last couple times we played Houston?

 

Garrett Graham would be a total Ozzie move....an under-the-radar guy who becomes a big contributor when finally given the chance.

 

Really, I dont think Houston would accept that offer if we made it (assuming that the financial part works out)

 

I'd love Meyers, but at this point, he's starting to get up there in years, and I'd rather develop Gino until he proves he's completely insufficient. By the point at which I would imagine the FO gives up on him, Meyers will be on the decline.

 

Not a terrible move to think about though, financial reasons aside. 

[The Raven]

Lol. I thought you were going to go all 10 page essay on him. But those two words just made my night(other than the trade).
Nice one

 

Eh, I extended it a little more. Not too much though. 

[flynismo]

I'd love Meyers, but at this point, he's starting to get up there in years, and I'd rather develop Gino until he proves he's completely insufficient. By the point at which I would imagine the FO gives up on him, Meyers will be on the decline.

 

Not a terrible move to think about though, financial reasons aside. 

 

To me, it sucks to even imagine...Ngata is one of my favorite players ever. I have not missed a single snap of his career

[The Raven]

To me, it sucks to even imagine...Ngata is one of my favorite players ever. I have not missed a single snap of his career

 

It does. I have Ngata's jersey and I wear it once a week in season. I met him once at a signing, and he's a great guy. He's one of the two guys (the other being Yanda) who inspired me to put on the pads in high school. It's tough for me to talk about his decline in play after idolizing him for so long.

[SecretAgentMan]

I'd love Meyers, but at this point, he's starting to get up there in years, and I'd rather develop Gino until he proves he's completely insufficient. By the point at which I would imagine the FO gives up on him, Meyers will be on the decline.

Not a terrible move to think about though, financial reasons aside.

Yeah. Myers is great.

But if Gino fails, we now have only two MAJOR needs(WR, TE) left.

We can take a center in round 2. This draft is LOADED at the WR and TE.

I'd let Gino play out a bit as well. If all else fails, we just draft another guy

[T3hRaven]

To me, it sucks to even imagine...Ngata is one of my favorite players ever. I have not missed a single snap of his career

 

I don't like talking about it either because of how dominate he once was, but he's fallen off the map after he got that mega deal.  I agree that it's unlikely something will be done with him during the coming off-season, but his level of play is a concern and he is a large financial burden to the team.  I think the real issue is how he's constantly dinged up in one way or the other.

 

Ultimately, I still feel like Ray Rice's deal was the real mistake from Ozzie.

[flynismo]

I don't like talking about it either because of how dominate he once was, but he's fallen off the map after he got that mega deal.  I agree that it's unlikely something will be done with him during the coming off-season, but his level of play is a concern and he is a large financial burden to the team.  I think the real issue is how he's constantly dinged up in one way or the other.

 

Ultimately, I still feel like Ray Rice's deal was the real mistake from Ozzie.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about that. I can see why he got the deal he did, and at the time I was very relieved that he did, but what Flacco did last year changed everything. Now I view Rice as a luxury. If we could trade him for a great OL (yes I know the money doesnt allow it; just speaking hypothetically), I would do it in a heartbeat.

But I don't think I view it as a mistake by Ozzie. I think it's something that seemed right at the time, but in retrospect, if we could do it over again, we would have went another direction.

[RobFuseRaven]

I'm not sure how I feel about that. I can see why he got the deal he did, and at the time I was very relieved that he did, but what Flacco did last year changed everything. Now I view Rice as a luxury. If we could trade him for a great OL (yes I know the money doesnt allow it; just speaking hypothetically), I would do it in a heartbeat.

But I don't think I view it as a mistake by Ozzie. I think it's something that seemed right at the time, but in retrospect, if we could do it over again, we would have went another direction.

 

In retrospect, I'd still sign him. If he goes somewhere else, who knows what those implications would've been on the Super Bowl run. Remember 4th and 29?