Ravens acquire LT Eugene Monroe from Jaguars

[ravensfan520]

this is for Everyone who is reading through and catching bits and pieces of my comments...  I don't believe Joe is the only one at fault for our Offensive woes... the line is horrible as of right now...  I had a feeling of this from the preseason... no one could get on the same page and it has carried over since then.  I really believe losing Pitta and even Boldin hurt a lot. They were two guys that Joe could rely on and gave Torrey a chance to beat his man one on one.  We don't have that and I really don't know if we will.  The weapons we have at this time are speedsters and the offense has moved away from running the crossing patterns and short routes or working the middle of the field against the linebackers that Caldwell had going in Indy...  Is it because we have so much speed because Indy never really did...  Their teams were always filled with possession wrs that would catch everything and te that could line up and play outside with a down hill RB who could catch the ball in the flats.  Torrey is playing great and as bad as its sounds Joe and Rice are not (just naming two of the three this offense really revolves around) maybe it is all on the O Line, run game, or play calling etc...  but our playmakers are not making plays.  My biggest problem is the way the team looks right now... run game is terrible, we are sticking with the deep routes and Joe isn't looking off the defense and staring down his wrs again... I hope adding Monroe will change that and getting Jones back will help the wrs but if we can't work the middle of the field with a good te or with Doss, Thompson, Brown or even Stokely at the slot wr spot we will still be in trouble.  I am going to optimistic and say that it will.  I'm out... No more comments from me.

[flynismo]

Wow... so you are saying that when good qbs like Brady and Manning Brees are barking calls out to their team and letting them know... hey there is blitz coming here or at their wrs that I want you to run this route because I see the saftey coming up or a corner is blitzing or its looks like man to man on the outside I can throw a go route... those are the just the lines responsibility to see that when most of them are in a stance and the qb is looking over the field from the shotgun or behind center...  So a qb is not supposed to know who is going to break down but he is supposed to know where he can beat someone and make adjustments on the fly... that is what the elite do and he is being paid as an elite qb.. so he needs to know how to make adjustments.  Its the job of every qb to know these things that's why they are the leader of the offense and get the headlines when a team wins or loses its part of the game... why is it when we are running no huddle offense we have so much more success as well as many teams do... its because the team gets a chance to get to line make adjustments with more time left on the play clock or get into the play before the defense can get set, run a blitz or stunt and it leaves most of the defense in a base defense so they can get more man on man or a better zone block etc...So yes it can be that simple and if it wasn't why would the great qbs that can do these things still win year after year as players come and go.

 

 

That is not what you said in the post I quoted.

 

As for making adjustments, do you have any idea of how much control Flacco has over the offense, especially when run out of no huddle? Actually, that doesn't even matter, my point is that he can audible til the cows come home, but it does not matter when the defense beats the snap to the QB, or when people brick passes off their hands and chests.

The problem isn't Flacco's adjustments, it is the OL and TEs playing JV-level football.

 

But other than that, I agree with you -- I wish Flacco would audible to the play "Dickson, I'm going to throw it and you wont drop it this time" more often

[flynismo]

this is for Everyone who is reading through and catching bits and pieces of my comments...  I don't believe Joe is the only one at fault for our Offensive woes... the line is horrible as of right now...  I had a feeling of this from the preseason... no one could get on the same page and it has carried over since then.  I really believe losing Pitta and even Boldin hurt a lot. They were two guys that Joe could rely on and gave Torrey a chance to beat his man one on one.  We don't have that and I really don't know if we will.  The weapons we have at this time are speedsters and the offense has moved away from running the crossing patterns and short routes or working the middle of the field against the linebackers that Caldwell had going in Indy...  Is it because we have so much speed because Indy never really did...  Their teams were always filled with possession wrs that would catch everything and te that could line up and play outside with a down hill RB who could catch the ball in the flats.  Torrey is playing great and as bad as its sounds Joe and Rice are not (just naming two of the three this offense really revolves around) maybe it is all on the O Line, run game, or play calling etc...  but our playmakers are not making plays.  My biggest problem is the way the team looks right now... run game is terrible, we are sticking with the deep routes and Joe isn't looking off the defense and staring down his wrs again... I hope adding Monroe will change that and getting Jones back will help the wrs but if we can't work the middle of the field with a good te or with Doss, Thompson, Brown or even Stokely at the slot wr spot we will still be in trouble.  I am going to optimistic and say that it will.  I'm out... No more comments from me.

 

Now, how in the world can Torrey be #2 in recieving yards if Flacco is playing badly?

Or is it just further evidence that Torrey and Flacco are playing well, but the OL and TE are not?

[BMORElegacy]

I was talking about last years throws to Jones... of course he is not playing right now and when he was well for all of 2 quarters and a preseason where they just couldn't get on the same page... it wasn't happening then either.

This isn't true. Jacoby was looking solid at Denver before being taken out by Trawick. He had some nice grabs and was getting excellent separation on some quick slants. Jacoby makes those grabs that you blame on the defense because he is just so fast.... They look like blown assignments when in reality he's just outrunning those responsible to cover him. You just seem to be negative for the sake of being negative. 

[GrimCoconut]

At this rate, this topic will be locked. You guys should remember this is a topic about Eugene Monroe.

[BMORElegacy]

At this rate, this topic will be locked. You guys should remember this is a topic about Eugene Monroe.

It would probably be for the best at this point. 

[codizzle]

At this rate, this topic will be locked. You guys should remember this is a topic about Eugene Monroe.

Yea how bout that Monroe guy

[Tank 92]

This isn't true. Jacoby was looking solid at Denver before being taken out by Trawick. He had some nice grabs and was getting excellent separation on some quick slants. Jacoby makes those grabs that you blame on the defense because he is just so fast.... They look like blown assignments when in reality he's just outrunning those responsible to cover him. You just seem to be negative for the sake of being negative. 

 

 

I hope Monroe gives Joe some time so he can find JJ.  :rolleyes:

 

He DID look impressive before being knocked out of the Denver game. Quick cuts and sharp routes, really looked like he had committed to becoming a solid receiver. Hopefully he comes back just as strong.

[Ravensfan23]

At this rate, this topic will be locked. You guys should remember this is a topic about Eugene Monroe.

It would probably be for the best at this point.

I'm not gonna shut it down because I have a feeling Monroe's impact will be hotly debated over the coming weeks and keeping everything in this topic is best.

But we will definitely get things back on track with Monroe. Oher showed his value to this oline when he went down in Denver. But I think the addition of Monroe makes him the odd man out "if" Oher isn't willing to take a fair deal. If he folllows the money like Jason Brown and Grubbs, then Ozzie will let him walk. But if Oher is willing to take a decent deal, I think Monroe and Oher could be a really strong tandem.

[BMORElegacy]

I'm not gonna shut it down because I have a feeling Monroe's impact will be hotly debated over the coming weeks and keeping everything in this topic is best.

But we will definitely get things back on track with Monroe. Oher showed his value to this oline when he went down in Denver. But I think the addition of Monroe makes him the odd man out "if" Oher isn't willing to take a fair deal. If he folllows the money like Jason Brown and Grubbs, then Ozzie will let him walk. But if Oher is willing to take a decent deal, I think Monroe and Oher could be a really strong tandem.

I think Oher is a team player. He doesn't need the money and I think he realizes he's best suited as a right tackle. If he's willing to take right tackle money I'm sure the Ravens will offer him a market value deal. But there is always going to be that desperate team who watched The Blind Side one too many times and thinks he's the answer. We'll just have to see how free agency and the offseason play out. 

[JO_75]

Is Monroe playing tomorrow against Miami? Has it been confirmed anywhere or are they going hold him back another week?

[SecretAgentMan]

Lets see if we can rip the jags off again by sending Mckinnie over for Lewis and make them keep all the money. :P

 

Not gonna happen but how hilarious would that be if that happened?

[rmw10]

Lets see if we can rip the jags off again by sending Mckinnie over for Lewis and make them keep all the money. :P

Not gonna happen but how hilarious would that be if that happened?

I'd throw another draft pick their way if they wanted to eat Lewis' contract and let us have him for the prorated portion of the minimum lol. That's a guy with a lot of talent that's never been used correctly.

[SecretAgentMan]

I'd throw another draft pick their way if they wanted to eat Lewis' contract and let us have him for the prorated portion of the minimum lol. That's a guy with a lot of talent that's never been used correctly.

And a Bruin too. I'd salivate at that trade lol

[flynismo]

Oher showed his value to this oline when he went down in Denver.

I remember thinking to myself "I cant believe I actually miss Oher" while I watched Wagner get destroyed.

But that isn't a testament to how valuable or good Oher is. Just goes to show how far Wagner is from being ready to ever step on the field again.

[Poes Crows]

At this rate, this topic will be locked. You guys should remember this is a topic about Eugene Monroe.

Now we acquire Eugene Monroe. Word is he may start vs the Fins. Monroe is not a renowned run blocker. He's suppose to be credible at pass assignments, which isn't a Raven's left tackle weakness and makes one wonder why we picked him up for multiple draft picks. Uncharacteristic for the Raven's to mortgage their future. Even more quizzical when this team was constructed with future in mind!

You gotta feel sorry for Eugene Monroe. Here he comes off a lucrative rookie contract. He gets traded to the Ravens and brings statistics in no better than the Ravens current starting Left Tackle. Poor Eugene believes he is gonna "get paid" with his next agreement. He doesn't understand the Raven's don't pay. They cut and fill in. Eugene will never see the bountiful contract he believes he's entitled to. But then again, if he was the stud lineman, the Jaguars would not have disposed of him.

[Ravensfan23]

I remember thinking to myself "I cant believe I actually miss Oher" while I watched Wagner get destroyed.
But that isn't a testament to how valuable or good Oher is. Just goes to show how far Wagner is from being ready to ever step on the field again.

Very much true and I agree. But Oher is a solid RT and although not as dominant as we would have liked from he's the type of guy you want to keep around imo. Solid, very dependable because he doesn't miss games, hard working team first kinda guy and he's just a all around great guy from what I hear.

If a guy like Wagner, who I feel is much better then what he showed in Denver, can step up in 2 years or so and push Oher for the RT spot, then Oher becomes a great trade chip. Solid RT who can swing over to LT in a pinch, some team would probably love to trade for Oher, especially if he's on a fair RT contract.

[airconteka1]

Now we acquire Eugene Monroe. Word is he may start vs the Fins. Monroe is not a renowned run blocker. He's suppose to be credible at pass assignments, which isn't a Raven's left tackle weakness and makes one wonder why we picked him up for multiple draft picks. Uncharacteristic for the Raven's to mortgage their future. Even more quizzical when this team was constructed with future in mind!

You gotta feel sorry for Eugene Monroe. Here he comes off a lucrative rookie contract. He gets traded to the Ravens and brings statistics in no better than the Ravens current starting Left Tackle. Poor Eugene believes he is gonna "get paid" with his next agreement. He doesn't understand the Raven's don't pay. They cut and fill in. Eugene will never see the bountiful contract he believes he's entitled to. But then again, if he was the stud lineman, the Jaguars would not have disposed of him.

 

Well firstly I'd say that whilst he is stronger at pass blocking, in no way is run blocking an area weakness for him, he is an upgrade on Bmac on both disciplines. Secondly I fail to see how it can be considered replacing a lazy, under performing 34 year old LT for a vastly superior 26 year old one for a 4th and a 5th pick, as mortgaging the Ravens future.

 

Not sure your source of stats which suggest Monroe isn't an upgrade over Bmac, please post a link I can't find anything. I think he will get a decent contract, however he has every right to shop around for the best deal.

[flynismo]

Very much true and I agree. But Oher is a solid RT and although not as dominant as we would have liked from he's the type of guy you want to keep around imo. Solid, very dependable because he doesn't miss games, hard working team first kinda guy and he's just a all around great guy from what I hear.

If a guy like Wagner, who I feel is much better then what he showed in Denver, can step up in 2 years or so and push Oher for the RT spot, then Oher becomes a great trade chip. Solid RT who can swing over to LT in a pinch, some team would probably love to trade for Oher, especially if he's on a fair RT contract.

 

Something I wish we would consider is moving him to OG. Ever since his college days, I felt that's where he would have the most success at

[Poes Crows]

Not sure your source of stats which suggest Monroe isn't an upgrade over Bmac, please post a link I can't find anything. I think he will get a decent contract, however he has every right to shop around for the best deal.

You can get very good players in the 4th round.

 

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?type=position&position=91

 

This is the source. You have to select position and then player by name.

 

It shows Monroe as a decent player but really not an improvement over McKinnie. The offensive line woes are not attributable to McKinnie in this opinion.  We'll see. If Monroe starts and the Raven's run for 200 yards vs the Fins, I'll retract my position. Until then I don't get it.

[Ravensfan23]

Now we acquire Eugene Monroe. Word is he may start vs the Fins. Monroe is not a renowned run blocker. He's suppose to be credible at pass assignments, which isn't a Raven's left tackle weakness and makes one wonder why we picked him up for multiple draft picks. Uncharacteristic for the Raven's to mortgage their future. Even more quizzical when this team was constructed with future in mind!
You gotta feel sorry for Eugene Monroe. Here he comes off a lucrative rookie contract. He gets traded to the Ravens and brings statistics in no better than the Ravens current starting Left Tackle. Poor Eugene believes he is gonna "get paid" with his next agreement. He doesn't understand the Raven's don't pay. They cut and fill in. Eugene will never see the bountiful contract he believes he's entitled to. But then again, if he was the stud lineman, the Jaguars would not have disposed of him.

Do you even think about the things you post. The next time Harbs puts on aa comedy show you should definitely sign up with post like this one.

But seriously, Monroe is a upgrade over Bmac in every area from what I hear. Big fan of his coming out the draft but don't follow the Jags so don't know how he's performed. He's better at pass pro, run blocking, hard working, self motivated, humbled family guy that fits the personality of other offensive leaders like Flacco, Smith, Rice, Pitta and Yanda. He's a Harbs type of guy, hard working and no nonsense from what I hear. In a interview Daryl Smith said they often had to tell Monroe not to work so hard in practice aand save some for the game. I'm sorry but I just can't see that ever being said about BMac.

Also the guy is only 26 and heading into his prime. He was rated as a top 10 LT by PFF and even though they're not the end all be all for player ranking, that's good.

[flynismo]

Well firstly I'd say that whilst he is stronger at pass blocking, in no way is run blocking an area weakness for him, he is an upgrade on Bmac on both disciplines. Secondly I fail to see how it can be considered replacing a lazy, under performing 34 year old LT for a vastly superior 26 year old one for a 4th and a 5th pick, as mortgaging the Ravens future.

 

Not sure your source of stats which suggest Monroe isn't an upgrade over Bmac, please post a link I can't find anything. I think he will get a decent contract, however he has every right to shop around for the best deal.

This move was quite clearly a very smart one, but I think the motivated, sober, healthy McKinnie is a better pass blocker than Monroe. But since that McKinnie only exists when his job is threatened or the SB is on the line, it matters little

[The Raven]

This move was quite clearly a very smart one, but I think the motivated, sober, healthy McKinnie is a better pass blocker than Monroe. But since that McKinnie only exists when his job is threatened or the SB is on the line, it matters little

 

Oh, and even the sober McKinnie with his head on straight can't run block worth a damn. Munroe is a huge upgrade in that aspect. It'll be nice to have a LT that actually tries in the run game. 

[Poes Crows]

Do you even think about the things you post. The next time Harbs puts on aa comedy show you should definitely sign up with post like this one.

Harbs doesn't need my help at comedy.....but you better be careful...you're bordering upon a "personal attack" as interpreted by the powers that be here!!!

[The Raven]

Harbs doesn't need my help at comedy.....but you better be careful...you're bordering upon a "personal attack" as interpreted by the powers that be here!!!

 

Your posts are personal attacks on our brains. 

[flynismo]

You can get very good players in the 4th round.

 

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?type=position&position=91

 

This is the source. You have to select position and then player by name.

 

It shows Monroe as a decent player but really not an improvement over McKinnie. The offensive line woes are not attributable to McKinnie in this opinion.  We'll see. If Monroe starts and the Raven's run for 200 yards vs the Fins, I'll retract my position. Until then I don't get it.

 

Well, I'd say that verifies my opinion of (a motivated, sober, healthy) McKinnie being better in pass pro. But I'd be wary of relying on stats for an OL when Gabbert is the QB

[flynismo]

Your posts are personal attacks on our brains. 

lol

[Ravensfan23]

Harbs doesn't need my help at comedy.....but you better be careful...you're bordering upon a "personal attack" as interpreted by the powers that be here!!!

Claim down. It's not a personal attack not need to get bent outta shape.

[flynismo]

Oh, and even the sober McKinnie with his head on straight can't run block worth a damn. Munroe is a huge upgrade in that aspect. It'll be nice to have a LT that actually tries in the run game. 

 

I'd say MJD can vouch for that.

 

Thing is, Monroe is much more suited overall for the ZBS we keep going with. It's going to be nice to have an OT that can open holes in the run game for us

[codizzle]

Your posts are personal attacks on our brains.

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