Ravens acquire LT Eugene Monroe from Jaguars

[Sami84]

The reason I have a problem with your thought process and 90% of the boards is because Eugene Monroe is average man! How come people on here act like that is so hard to imagine. I totally understand and maybe I was embellishing about how much young talent we need, but your argument has some holes.

 

Pitta- could be like Bo Jackson

Gino- I'm sorry I don't see much from him.. I've watched the film just like you

KO- has not been impressive this year

 

Torrey, Brown, Deonte, Pierce, Oher

 

Defense

Is pretty good, but Webb has two bad ACL injuries and Jimmy Smith needs to perform the entire season before we crown him. 

 

Overall I see your point. At least you gave me some feedback instead of being a [profanity deleted] about it. I appreciate that

you are not much of a talent evaluater. monroe is a top 10 tackle in the league and top 5 under 27.

[izvoodoo]

The reason I have a problem with your thought process and 90% of the boards is because Eugene Monroe is average man! How come people on here act like that is so hard to imagine. I totally understand and maybe I was embellishing about how much young talent we need, but your argument has some holes.

 

Pitta- could be like Bo Jackson

Gino- I'm sorry I don't see much from him.. I've watched the film just like you

KO- has not been impressive this year

 

Torrey, Brown, Deonte, Pierce, Oher

 

Defense

Is pretty good, but Webb has two bad ACL injuries and Jimmy Smith needs to perform the entire season before we crown him. 

 

Overall I see your point. At least you gave me some feedback instead of being a [profanity deleted] about it. I appreciate that

Pitta will not be like Bo Jackson.  Bo Jackson never had surgery.  Pitta did.  If Bo had gotten surgery we would have continued to play.  But medicine wasn't what we know now.

 

KO also started every game as a rookie and we won the super bowl.  So he gets to have some time too.  

[BMORElegacy]

https://twitter.com/ravens/status/386183083654799360

Bryant McKinnie be like, "Studying? What's that bro?"

Sounds like Monroe wants to play this weekend. 

[BMORElegacy]

Woohoo!!!

Ozzie landed Eugene Monroe?

How?

How much did we give up?

Is he going to be our future LT

What does this mean for McKinnie?

Is this Oher's last year?

Anyways, I'm excited because we robbed the jags again!!! Remember Byron Leftwich and Joe Flacco? All courtesy of Jacksonville Jaguars.

[SecretAgentMan]

 

Woohoo!!!

Ozzie landed Eugene Monroe?

How?

How much did we give up?

Is he going to be our future LT

What does this mean for McKinnie?

Is this Oher's last year?

Anyways, I'm excited because we robbed the jags again!!! Remember Byron Leftwich and Joe Flacco? All courtesy of Jacksonville Jaguars.

 

Nice one lol

[ravensfan520]

Pats don't have Gradkowski at C.
We do, so their line is much better than ours.
The Pats are also masters at tweaking their offense to get the most out of whatever talent they have at their skill positions.
Last couple of years, they've executed their short passing game brilliantly with not only precise route running but perfectly timed blocking to go with Brady's accuracy and ability to get the ball out on time.
But you saw what happens when the WRs are not running their routes correctly and Brady's unable to get in synch with them, especially if the pass rush gets to him too. Then he (and his numbers) look very average.

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But they find a way to win... the things you are talking about is on the qb... he is the leader. If something is off due to routes or line break downs its on the qb to make the adjustments at the line.... audibles etc. With Cam gone... isn't that what Flacco wanted... control of the offense. Well he has it and the offense is spiraling. Yes the WRs are young and the line is bad but in football when you put the big money into certain players and positions its their job to perform without excuses.

[BMORElegacy]

Nice one lol

I think you have to be born after like 1987 to get the reference haha

[T3hRaven]

 

Woohoo!!!

Ozzie landed Eugene Monroe?

How?

How much did we give up?

Is he going to be our future LT

What does this mean for McKinnie?

Is this Oher's last year?

Anyways, I'm excited because we robbed the jags again!!! Remember Byron Leftwich and Joe Flacco? All courtesy of Jacksonville Jaguars.

 

 

That's pretty clever.

[SecretAgentMan]

I think you have to be born after like 1987 to get the reference haha

Then I'm twelve years after that ;)

[T3hRaven]

Monroe might actually play on Sunday, according to PFT.  It might be in a time share with McKinnie, but apparently Harbaugh said if he's comfortable Monroe will play.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/04/john-harbaugh-if-eugene-monroe-is-comfortable-hell-play-on-sunday/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

[Hey Diddle]

I bet Monroe starts from the get-go, you have to run or pass block.  It's not like is Quantum physics.

[Ravensfan23]

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Tom Brady... what wr and te does he have... his line may being playing better but they are not better. Maybe we are calling to many deep plays but there are some open wr but Joe has been forcing it or holding it to long.. Luke the Joe of before. And the browns just beat the bills by double digits and threw no int.

Just because Brady is breaking in new Wrs and Tes doesn't mean he and Flacco's issues are the same. Brady his a system and offensive identity that hasn't changed in nearly 10 years. The new faces just have to find their niche. To be honest Brady isn't really playing well, the team has just found ways to win. The guys Brady is throwing to are the same guys he threw to all offseason.

Flacco on the other hand has 4 guys who he worked with all offseason to build chemistry with not provide anything offensively in the first 4 games. Pitta, Doss, Jones and Thompson. Not to mention 2 of his top targets have only been apart of the team for 6 weeks and both those guys had a foot into retirement before the Ravens came calling. His top TE has seemingly more drops and missed opportunities then catches. He's only been throwing to Brown as a starter for about 6 weeks and the oline in front of him isn't playing well.

Also although he had a strong 6 game audition, Caldwell is still a new play caller. Much like any 2nd year player who had success the year prior, Defensive Cordinators have a book on Caldwell that he now has to adjust to. The Ravens have absolutely zero run game and injuries continue to mount. Everything with the offense is seemingly in flux right now. Now this is not to say Flacco isn't at fault ffor anything because he played like crap in Bufffalo. No way around it, but for anyone looking at Flacco as a problem right now clearly doesn't know football very well imo. Not saying that's you.

Also what does the Browns beating the Bills with no Ints mean? He threw 5 picks big deal really only 2 you can place sqaurely on his shoulders. The other three were the result of drop, pressure, or no separation. But again he played like crap so it really doesn't matter. It was one game and that's it.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

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But they find a way to win... the things you are talking about is on the qb... he is the leader. If something is off due to routes or line break downs its on the qb to make the adjustments at the line.... audibles etc. With Cam gone... isn't that what Flacco wanted... control of the offense. Well he has it and the offense is spiraling. Yes the WRs are young and the line is bad but in football when you put the big money into certain players and positions its their job to perform without excuses.

 

Can't audible if the new center doesn't know how to make line adjustments.

Or if the last minute acquisitions (Clark & Stokely) haven't learned enough of the playbook yet.

Or do you honestly think that Flacco, who was having no trouble audibling during his historic playoff run, has suddenly forgotten how to do it?

 

Also recommend you read Ravensfan23's post just above mine if you haven't yet:

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/55006-ravens-acquire-lt-eugene-monroe-from-jaguars/page-32#entry1612818

[ravensfan520]

Just because Brady is breaking in new Wrs and Tes doesn't mean he and Flacco's issues are the same. Brady his a system and offensive identity that hasn't changed in nearly 10 years. The new faces just have to find their niche. To be honest Brady isn't really playing well, the team has just found ways to win. The guys Brady is throwing to are the same guys he threw to all offseason.

Flacco on the other hand has 4 guys who he worked with all offseason to build chemistry with not provide anything offensively in the first 4 games. Pitta, Doss, Jones and Thompson. Not to mention 2 of his top targets have only been apart of the team for 6 weeks and both those guys had a foot into retirement before the Ravens came calling. His top TE has seemingly more drops and missed opportunities then catches. He's only been throwing to Brown as a starter for about 6 weeks and the oline in front of him isn't playing well.

Also although he had a strong 6 game audition, Caldwell is still a new play caller. Much like any 2nd year player who had success the year prior, Defensive Cordinators have a book on Caldwell that he now has to adjust to. The Ravens have absolutely zero run game and injuries continue to mount. Everything with the offense is seemingly in flux right now. Now this is not to say Flacco isn't at fault ffor anything because he played like crap in Bufffalo. No way around it, but for anyone looking at Flacco as a problem right now clearly doesn't know football very well imo. Not saying that's you.

Also what does the Browns beating the Bills with no Ints mean? He threw 5 picks big deal really only 2 you can place sqaurely on his shoulders. The other three were the result of drop, pressure, or no separation. But again he played like crap so it really doesn't matter. It was one game and that's it.

Its more than one game... this offense has been awful since the day the season ended last year... off season... no Boldin hurt pitta... preseason... offense could not find any rhythm... the two games we have won is because our defense played better than the opposing teams... and there was still hope against the bills even after Joes 5 int... I guess the biggest point is we went in this year building a team full of speedster WRs for the strong armed qb and it has not payed off... we jumped the gun... and back to my original quote was if we fix the line with Monroe and the running game gets back on track who gets the blame if the passing game fizzles... the wr we have...have talent... can Joe get the best out of them. Next year if we make the playoffs we are limited in cap and have a lot of players coming off rookie contracts due a big raise...

[izvoodoo]

Its more than one game... this offense has been awful since the day the season ended last year... off season... no Boldin hurt pitta... preseason... offense could not find any rhythm... the two games we have won is because our defense played better than the opposing teams... and there was still hope against the bills even after Joes 5 int... I guess the biggest point is we went in this year building a team full of speedster WRs for the strong armed qb and it has not payed off... we jumped the gun... and back to my original quote was if we fix the line with Monroe and the running game gets back on track who gets the blame if the passing game fizzles... the wr we have talent... can Joe get the best out of them.

The WR core has been pretty nicked up.

Deonte's played one game, Marlon is hurt, Jacoby's been hurt.  That's 3 of our top receivers.

[ravensfan520]

The WR core has been pretty nicked up.
Deonte's played one game, Marlon is hurt, Jacoby's been hurt. That's 3 of our top receivers.

We played against a nicked up defense in buffalo and could not beat a 2nd string secondary... every team has injuries its the next man up philosophy...

[izvoodoo]

We played against a nicked up defense in buffalo and could not beat a 2nd string secondary... every team has injuries its the next man up philosophy...

But don't say there's nothing holding the game back but joe.  We're 28th in yards per carry.  And we have 2 healthy wide receivers.

[ravensfan520]

Can't audible if the new center doesn't know how to make line adjustments.
Or if the last minute acquisitions (Clark & Stokely) haven't learned enough of the playbook yet.
Or do you honestly think that Flacco, who was having no trouble audibling during his historic playoff run, has suddenly forgotten how to do it?

Also recommend you read Ravensfan23's post just above mine if you haven't yet:
http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/55006-ravens-acquire-lt-eugene-monroe-from-jaguars/page-32#entry1612818

Stokely has played very limited this year and as much as everyone talks about Joes historic run in the playoffs they don't realize how much better Boldin made Joe look... How many of those throw and pray his wr will catch has worked so far this year... even the throws the Jones caught were mistakes the defenses made... those aren't happening anymore.

[ravensfan520]

But don't say there's nothing holding the game back but joe. We're 28th in yards per carry. And we have 2 healthy wide receivers.

Read my original post... I said if the line is fixed and running game gets back on track and offense fails... who gets the blame is it Flacco te or WRs. Because none of them are playing well at this time either except for torrey smith... I didn't place the full blame on Flacco... I asked or a question of where does the blame go from there.

[Bltravens]

Read my original post... I said if the line is fixed and running game gets back on track and offense fails... who gets the blame is it Flacco te or WRs. Because none of them are playing well at this time either except for torrey smith... I didn't place the full blame on Flacco... I asked or a question of where does the blame go from there.

Those are two gigantic "ifs" at this point in time.

[izvoodoo]

Read my original post... I said if the line is fixed and running game gets back on track and offense fails... who gets the blame is it Flacco te or WRs. Because none of them are playing well at this time either except for torrey smith... I didn't place the full blame on Flacco... I asked or a question of where does the blame go from there.

I would say all of them.  Moving the ball is a team effort.

[Cville-Raven]

 

Woohoo!!!

Ozzie landed Eugene Monroe?

How?

How much did we give up?

Is he going to be our future LT

What does this mean for McKinnie?

Is this Oher's last year?

Anyways, I'm excited because we robbed the jags again!!! Remember Byron Leftwich and Joe Flacco? All courtesy of Jacksonville Jaguars.

 

hahaha

[ravensfan520]

I would say all of them.  Moving the ball is a team effort.

I really hope that we can fix it... and find a way to keep Oher and Monroe... Wagner is not the answer and neither is Reid. I don't want to spend a early draft pick on o lineman and miss out on the chance of drafting a good safety (to play next to Elam  I think James Ihedbo will go for the pay day and huff isn't what I was hopping for) or A TE to play next to Pitta if we can resign him.  If Jones bolts either of them we could look for another wr or D Lineman.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I really hope that we can fix it... and find a way to keep Oher and Monroe... Wagner is not the answer and neither is Reid. I don't want to spend a early draft pick on o lineman and miss out on the chance of drafting a good safety (to play next to Elam I think James Ihedbo will go for the pay day and huff isn't what I was hopping for) or A TE to play next to Pitta if we can resign him. If Jones bolts either of them we could look for another wr or D Lineman.

This is the kind of thing I hate, people saying someone isn't the answer less than half of their rookie season. Absolutely ridiculous to say that, players need a chance to adjust. Wagner is an unknown commodity for the most part.

[Cville-Raven]

This is the kind of thing I hate, people saying someone isn't the answer less than half of their rookie season. Absolutely ridiculous to say that, players need a chance to adjust. Wagner is an unknown commodity for the most part.

Go look at the Elam thread, half of it is this. 

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Go look at the Elam thread, half of it is this.

I know, I try and stay away from it because I hate seeing people giving up on a fellow panther like that.

[flynismo]

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But they find a way to win... the things you are talking about is on the qb... he is the leader. If something is off due to routes or line break downs its on the qb to make the adjustments at the line.... audibles etc. With Cam gone... isn't that what Flacco wanted... control of the offense. Well he has it and the offense is spiraling. Yes the WRs are young and the line is bad but in football when you put the big money into certain players and positions its their job to perform without excuses.

Wow...you have a very simple view on things, but things aren't that simple.
For example, how does a qb compensate for a line breakdown 'at the line'? Is the qb supposed to be clairvoyant enough to know who is going to blow their assignment before the ball is snapped so that he can make his adjustment at the line? How does he ensure that the wr knows what route to run....isn't that the recievers job (to know the playbook)?
In reality, an offense is run on trust. You trust your OL to make blocks, and to block long enough to execute the play. You trust your wr will be where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there. A qb can't compensate for those things. It is up to those guys to do their jobs.

[BMORElegacy]

Stokely has played very limited this year and as much as everyone talks about Joes historic run in the playoffs they don't realize how much better Boldin made Joe look... How many of those throw and pray his wr will catch has worked so far this year... even the throws the Jones caught were mistakes the defenses made... those aren't happening anymore.

Last time I checked Jacoby wasn't on the field because of injury. 

[ravensfan520]

Wow...you have a very simple view on things, but things aren't that simple.
For example, how does a qb compensate for a line breakdown 'at the line'? Is the qb supposed to be clairvoyant enough to know who is going to blow their assignment before the ball is snapped so that he can make his adjustment at the line? How does he ensure that the wr knows what route to run....isn't that the recievers job (to know the playbook)?
In reality, an offense is run on trust. You trust your OL to make blocks, and to block long enough to execute the play. You trust your wr will be where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there. A qb can't compensate for those things. It is up to those guys to do their jobs.

Wow... so you are saying that when good qbs like Brady and Manning Brees are barking calls out to their team and letting them know... hey there is blitz coming here or at their wrs that I want you to run this route because I see the saftey coming up or a corner is blitzing or its looks like man to man on the outside I can throw a go route... those are the just the lines responsibility to see that when most of them are in a stance and the qb is looking over the field from the shotgun or behind center...  So a qb is not supposed to know who is going to break down but he is supposed to know where he can beat someone and make adjustments on the fly... that is what the elite do and he is being paid as an elite qb.. so he needs to know how to make adjustments.  Its the job of every qb to know these things that's why they are the leader of the offense and get the headlines when a team wins or loses its part of the game... why is it when we are running no huddle offense we have so much more success as well as many teams do... its because the team gets a chance to get to line make adjustments with more time left on the play clock or get into the play before the defense can get set, run a blitz or stunt and it leaves most of the defense in a base defense so they can get more man on man or a better zone block etc...So yes it can be that simple and if it wasn't why would the great qbs that can do these things still win year after year as players come and go.

[ravensfan520]

Last time I checked Jacoby wasn't on the field because of injury. 

I was talking about last years throws to Jones... of course he is not playing right now and when he was well for all of 2 quarters and a preseason where they just couldn't get on the same page... it wasn't happening then either.