Coach John Harbaugh and time outs?

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

Can someone please explain to me why Coach Harbaugh continues to save time outs prior to the half?  

 

We lost by 3 points yesterday.  With 1:30 left in the 2nd half we just let the clock fade away.  3 time outs in our pocket and no thought of using them until 12 ticks left on the clock.

 

Yes, we were struggling.  We were playing just enough over abysmal though that we could have moved into Tucker range an TRIED! 

 

I do not get it at all.  We lost by 3 points, we wishing for more time at the end of the 4th, and all of this may have been avoided.  I am really glad that Harbaugh is here, but I am baffled by this seemingly avoidance of using time outs in the first half.  

 

This wasn't the first time this has come up.  We did it last year just can't recall the game.

[edreedfromtheu]

Can someone please explain to me why Coach Harbaugh continues to save time outs prior to the half?  

 

We lost by 3 points yesterday.  With 1:30 left in the 2nd half we just let the clock fade away.  3 time outs in our pocket and no thought of using them until 12 ticks left on the clock.

 

Yes, we were struggling.  We were playing just enough over abysmal though that we could have moved into Tucker range an TRIED! 

 

I do not get it at all.  We lost by 3 points, we wishing for more time at the end of the 4th, and all of this may have been avoided.  I am really glad that Harbaugh is here, but I am baffled by this seemingly avoidance of using time outs in the first half.  

 

This wasn't the first time this has come up.  We did it last year just can't recall the game.

As I created this exact same topic yesterday, but it was not approved by the moderators because they are completely biased....

yes, I agree with you.  It's bascially "quitting" when it comes down to it.  One of the best kickers in the game, and they can't even attempt to get him into range with over a minute and a half left and three timeouts.

Harbaugh is pretty horrible with both clock usage, timeouts, and challenges.  Yesterday.... every call or review seemed to go the Ravens way.  As badly as they played on offense... it's such a shame that all they needed was a field goal to be in overtime.

[Clutch Ravens]

He's from the Andy Reid coaching tree, he never learned about clock management.

[H8ME]

As I created this exact same topic yesterday, but it was not approved by the moderators because they are completely biased....

yes, I agree with you.  It's bascially "quitting" when it comes down to it.  One of the best kickers in the game, and they can't even attempt to get him into range with over a minute and a half left and three timeouts.

Harbaugh is pretty horrible with both clock usage, timeouts, and challenges.  Yesterday.... every call or review seemed to go the Ravens way.  As badly as they played on offense... it's such a shame that all they needed was a field goal to be in overtime.

 

What?  Are we not allowed to give constructive criticism about Fraudbaughs' coaching ability?  ...Cuz I could go on and on about that!

[CalvinSmoke]

It was a good decision, the offense was out of whack completely. And what did the offense do at the end of the half? go 3 and out. If he had called time outs the Bills would have had time on the clock.

 

Harbs did his job and gave the team it's opportunities to win that game. Harbs did fine, as he has been for a while now.

[The Raven]

It was a good decision, the offense was out of whack completely. And what did the offense do at the end of the half? go 3 and out. If he had called time outs the Bills would have had time on the clock.

 

Harbs did his job and gave the team it's opportunities to win that game. Harbs did fine, as he has been for a while now.

 

Thank you logic

[ravensfan160]

It was a good decision, the offense was out of whack completely. And what did the offense do at the end of the half? go 3 and out. If he had called time outs the Bills would have had time on the clock.

 

Harbs did his job and gave the team it's opportunities to win that game. Harbs did fine, as he has been for a while now.

You're right. There were times earlier in his tenure here where his game management skills were lacking. I think he's really improved in that area. Despite all that happened we still could have won the game. If Torrey doesn't get caught from behind somehow we win (assuming our defense takes care of business).

[billick]

Gee, we could win every game. What happened in the losses ?

[arnie_uk]

It was a good decision, the offense was out of whack completely. And what did the offense do at the end of the half? go 3 and out. If he had called time outs the Bills would have had time on the clock.
 
Harbs did his job and gave the team it's opportunities to win that game. Harbs did fine, as he has been for a while now.

yes but at the same time if he called the timeout with 30 seconds left, they will still play soft and protect the end zone and after the completion to doss we were pretty much in field goal range then, and could have quickly called another timeout and had one shot at the ends one before going for the kick.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

yes but at the same time if he called the timeout with 30 seconds left, they will still play soft and protect the end zone and after the completion to doss we were pretty much in field goal range then, and could have quickly called another timeout and had one shot at the ends one before going for the kick.

 

Wasn't that on 4th down?  There was no down to have another shot at the endzone.

[PeRK82]

Wasn't that on 4th down?  There was no down to have another shot at the endzone.

 

 

No it was 3rd down.

[PeRK82]

Can someone please explain to me why Coach Harbaugh continues to save time outs prior to the half?  

 

We lost by 3 points yesterday.  With 1:30 left in the 2nd half we just let the clock fade away.  3 time outs in our pocket and no thought of using them until 12 ticks left on the clock.

 

Yes, we were struggling.  We were playing just enough over abysmal though that we could have moved into Tucker range an TRIED! 

 

I do not get it at all.  We lost by 3 points, we wishing for more time at the end of the 4th, and all of this may have been avoided.  I am really glad that Harbaugh is here, but I am baffled by this seemingly avoidance of using time outs in the first half.  

 

This wasn't the first time this has come up.  We did it last year just can't recall the game.

 

 

I Have been saying that for A LONG Time now, but im more concerned about the FG instead of not going for it.

 

Think about it, there was over 4 mins left on the clock , if we didnt score then the ball is turned over and they have real bad field position. We could have stopped them and then start at the 45 and up field advantage to try and score again.

 

I was raging and yelling at the tv when i say the field goal unit come out. Its dumbfounding honestly.

[Moderator 3]

As I created this exact same topic yesterday, but it was not approved by the moderators because they are completely biased....

Timing is everything. The one you started yesterday during the full-blown meltdown was merged into the Official Melt thread. Bias had nothing to do with it; trying to keep up with multiple melt threads did.

[757RavensFan]

PeRK82, on 30 Sept 2013 - 3:16 PM, said:
I Have been saying that for A LONG Time now, but im more concerned about the FG instead of not going for it.

Think about it, there was over 4 mins left on the clock , if we didnt score then the ball is turned over and they have real bad field position. We could have stopped them and then start at the 45 and up field advantage to try and score again.

I was raging and yelling at the tv when i say the field goal unit come out. Its dumbfounding honestly.

Here's why I think the FG was the right decision at that time.

- What did we do successful all game that would make you think a 4th and goal from the 6th would produce a score?
- If we don't score on 4th down, it's a turnover on downs and we need a defensive stop and a touchdown to win the game. At least w/ the FG there, you only need to get in FG range to try and win it in OT.
- You're also making the assumption that the defense would stop them after the failed 4th and goal attempt.

The smart play and the one with the most chance to win is the FG to cut the lead to 3 and pray that you defense holds them, which they did. The opportunity was there, the offense just couldn't execute on the last drive.

[AsianRice]

Here's why I think the FG was the right decision at that time.

- What did we do successful all game that would make you think a 4th and goal from the 6th would produce a score?
- If we don't score on 4th down, it's a turnover on downs and we need a defensive stop and a touchdown to win the game. At least w/ the FG there, you only need to get in FG range to try and win it in OT.
- You're also making the assumption that the defense would stop them after the failed 4th and goal attempt.

The smart play and the one with the most chance to win is the FG to cut the lead to 3 and pray that you defense holds them, which they did. The opportunity was there, the offense just couldn't execute on the last drive.

The almost guaranteed 3 pts from that

very true, thanks turtle Dallas on the interception; if he's fast enough in the position, he wouldn't have dove for the ball and tipped for interception....

 

With this horrific loss to a sucky rookie QB, the postive note coming out of it is the serious alarm on our O-Line's problems, and I don't want to hear at least we won despite on abysmal performance on the offense and relatively on the defense as well.

 

At least we are into only the 4th game of the season and we are still top of the division; the divisional title is up for the grab if we are ready for it....

[arnie_uk]

Wasn't that on 4th down? There was no down to have another shot at the endzone.

I mean after the completion to doss. He should have left enough time for another play because we were in fg range after that completion

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I mean after the completion to doss. He should have left enough time for another play because we were in fg range after that completion

 

So the completion to Doss was on 4th down on our own 43 yard line.  If he had left enough time on the clock for another play, but we didn't convert the 4th down, then Buffalo would have had another shot at a FG.

 

As far as I can see, he made the right call.

[arnie_uk]

So the completion to Doss was on 4th down on our own 43 yard line.  If he had left enough time on the clock for another play, but we didn't convert the 4th down, then Buffalo would have had another shot at a FG.
 
As far as I can see, he made the right call.

you need to take the risk

[A Fish Called Yanda]

No it was 3rd down.

 

To be clear, there was a 3rd down completion to Doss on our own 43.  There was a 4th down completion to Buffalo's 37 yard line when time expired.

 

Either way, I don't think it would have been smart for Harbaugh to call a timeout.  Hindsight is 20/20, but looking at how horrendous our offense had been for the entire half, it was in no way a given that we would convert that 4th down.  Leaving time on the clock, and the ball near FG range for the Bills was too much of a risk.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

you need to take the risk

 

No.  Not with how our offense looked yesterday.

[arnie_uk]

No. Not with how our offense looked yesterday.

thats exactly why u take the risk imo. Couple big plays there and momentum swings in our favour

[jdynamite]

I Have been saying that for A LONG Time now, but im more concerned about the FG instead of not going for it.

Think about it, there was over 4 mins left on the clock , if we didnt score then the ball is turned over and they have real bad field position. We could have stopped them and then start at the 45 and up field advantage to try and score again.

I was raging and yelling at the tv when i say the field goal unit come out. Its dumbfounding honestly.

I felt the same way during the game and the same way now, I also wanted to go for it. I felt like we are on the 6 yard line , try and punch it in. If not believe in the defense maybe a safety or quick 3 and out happens.

People were posting you take the points, blah not how that offense had been playing scoring opportunities were few.

Now we should have taken the points after that D.Smith INT, where Flacco tossed up in the redzone int and said forget the points. Smh

[Im Too Legendary]

Hindsight is 20/20, of course we can look back upon a few things here and there and say that there was a possibility for something fruitful to come out of it. However, our offense gave no indication that it would've or even could've at that exact moment in time, been able to move within field goal range. Did you not see the disastrous O-Line play as well as the nonexistent running game?

You're gambling on a play that would've been basically gift wrapped for the Buffalo Bills defense; a clear passing situation and seeing as how we effectively lack such play makers on the offensive side of the ball, with the obvious exception of Torrey, I'd rather us not score, than fail on a 4th down and put Buffalo in prime position to gain three more points.

[arnie_uk]

I'm sorry, and you're a coach in the NFL for which team exactly? @arnie_uk (failed at quoting)
Hindsight is 20/20, of course we can look back upon a few things here and there and say that there was a possibility for something fruitful to come out of it. However, our offense gave no indication that it would've or even could've at that exact moment in time, been able to move within field goal range. Did you not see the disastrous O-Line play as well as the nonexistent running game?
You're gambling on a play that would've been basically gift wrapped for the Buffalo Bills defense; a clear passing situation and seeing as how we effectively lack such play makers on the offensive side of the ball, with the obvious exception of Torrey, I'd rather us not score, than fail on a 4th down and put Buffalo in prime position to gain three more points.

stopped at the petty remark, you feel big behind your keyboard?

[Im Too Legendary]

stopped at the petty remark, you feel big behind your keyboard?

Lmao, are your jimmies rustled in a bunch? Grow a pair and learn to take a little cheek-and-tongue. 

[Hey Diddle]

I think you have to try an score. Tucker is butter,  Buffalo was getting the ball to start second half. Joe has done it a few times now. 

 

I would of loved a fake field goal on that fourth down on the 6.

[arnie_uk]

Lmao, are your jimmies rustled in a bunch? Grow a pair and learn to take a little cheek-and-tongue.

do yous say cheek and tongue? We'd say tongue in cheek. But in no way did that sound tongue in cheek hence the stopping of reading of what could have been a productive response.

[arnie_uk]

I think you have to try an score. Tucker is butter,  Buffalo was getting the ball to start second half. Joe has done it a few times now. 
 
I would of loved a fake field goal on that fourth down on the 6.

i thought about a fake fg as well but a guaranteed three points was too good to pass up when they decided not to leave the offense on the field

[A Fish Called Yanda]

thats exactly why u take the risk imo. Couple big plays there and momentum swings in our favour

 

I guess we can agree to disagree.  I was fine w/ Harbaugh's handling of the time.  Our offense had managed a total of two first downs up until that drive.  They didn't look like they were going to get anything done, and in my opinion it would have been too much of a risk to expect our inept offense to make a first down rather than turn the ball over on our side of the 50 yard line.

 

As I've said before, hindsight...

[Im Too Legendary]

Anyway, my argument is that the chance of success was far to low, to the point where had we failed, we would've easily given them a six point swing. Lack of three upon our own offensive ineptitude and giving them prime field position. Mind you, we still needed probably 15 more yards in order to give Tucker optimal field position.. and since as aforementioned, our running game wasn't there.. well yeah.