Run Game: "We're Not Good Enough Right Now!" - Flacco

[Ed_Reed20]

well he did drop a bomb down the sideline and I thought he made an awful attempt on the interception in ez but apart from that he was good

 

I didn't know he had the drop and he could have done a better job at attacking the ball Williams picked off, but I definitely wouldn't lump him in among the disappointing players on offense.

[arnie_uk]

I didn't know he had the drop and he could have done a better job at attacking the ball Williams picked off, but I definitely wouldn't lump him in among the disappointing players on offense.

was difficult but came right down in the basket

[ravens88]

The 4th pick is the one that annoys me ive seen him lose the ILB and throw a pick fairly often maybe 3 or so times a season he throws that bad underneath pass not seeing the ILB eyeing him down. but yea the run is attrocious, is it this new run scheme ive heard about? or just that the oline is being a little soft right now? 

[Moderator 3]

The 4th pick is the one that annoys me ive seen him lose the ILB and throw a pick fairly often maybe 3 or so times a season he throws that bad underneath pass not seeing the ILB eyeing him down. but yea the run is attrocious, is it this new run scheme ive heard about? or just that the oline is being a little soft right now?

It'll be interesting when they put the cameras in the QB helmets so we can see what Flacco sees. I often wonder if he could see the LB or if he was "hidden" by linemen blocking Flacco's view.

[jazz1988]

Not sure how you're supposed to win with the ground game when you're chasing two scores.

 

I dont think any body expected the ravens to win with the ground game ( well maybe they did  since the bills do suck against the run) but   it wasn't like the ravens was super far behind there was still  enough time to mix in the run along with the passing game. The Bills defense was mainly focus on the pass  and adding in more run plays would had kept them honest.

 

Every Elite to Good quarterback  in  my opinion  has to have some form of run game going or run the risk of  getting intercepted or more. The announcers was consistently questioning why the ravens were not using   Ray Rice/Bernard Pierce more and that is for a reason; You never give up on  the running the ball  even if you not gaining much yards .  Football is  a physical sport but it's  a mental game as well which why you can't be predictable all the time no matter how superior the players are.

[ravens88]

It'll be interesting when they put the cameras in the QB helmets so we can see what Flacco sees. I often wonder if he could see the LB or if he was "hidden" by linemen blocking Flacco's view.

 

i imagine he didnt see him i dont know if thats a pre snap read to just know where he is and attempt to keep track of where the ILB is or what but seems to be a common occurance for Joe. Brees had one last week he did the same thing so it happens time to time. when Joe gets interviewed he says he just didnt see him, im just worried about it being a consistant thing for defenses to key in on correct me if im wrong but, vs panthers vs denver vs bills it has happened i think.

[Poes Crows]

Why does Flacco's contract come up so often when talking about him, but the even worse Ray Rice who actually was grossly overpaid, never has his financial burden to the team called into question?

 

This is what the Salary Cap does to Teams.

 

It gets fans arguing about who is "overpaid" and who is not. Who is value and who was paid too much, who should be let go and who should stay because other players are needed and can't be signed.

 

The Owners get together "collectively" to limit what they spend on players, remove the Free Market from the equation, transform roster expense into a form of "Shared Community Communism" coupled with Monopoly and then in private rooms smoke Cuban cigars and chuckle with glee while fans in ignorance beat up upon their own players.  

 

It's a good gig if you're an owner.

[Militant X 1]

“[T]he Bills stink at stopping the run. The Ravens, though, showed they stink worse at running the ball.”  After the game, nobody complained about the number of carries (nine times was a franchise low). And Hensley says that’s the most telling part.

“By no one calling for the Ravens to run the ball more, it says to me that no one has confidence in the running game right now,” he wrote.

 

I hate the fact that the Ravens "3-headed" monster rushing attack from back in the day (Rice, McGahee, McClain) is obsolete!  it was something that we could count on when all else failed!  not now!  we could count on Mason comeback routes when all else failed. not now!  and now, we have Rice, Pierce and Leach in the backfield and the Ravens...the Ravens....can't run the damn football?  they could barely gain 22 yards against the bills?  I don't care how anyone tries to spin it....this piss poor performance is inexcusable!

 

~Mili

[ratedr]

It has to be Castillo. I understand we have a new center but the rest of the line is the same. He alone can't torpedo the whole line...right?

[Sami84]

KO and gino...man.in 2011we had grubbs birk yanda bmac and oher. pretty good if you ask me.. grubbs is playing lights out this year. miss him.

[izvoodoo]

It has to be Castillo. I understand we have a new center but the rest of the line is the same. He alone can't torpedo the whole line...right?

Honestly from what I've seen and read the scheme itself is not terribly different.  KO and Gino have just been awful even in Man situations.

[AsianRice]

Honestly from what I've seen and read the scheme itself is not terribly different.  KO and Gino have just been awful even in Man situations.

KO shined when Birk in command....

 

It's tough to replace 6x probowl center with 14yrs of NFL experiences....

[izvoodoo]

KO shined when Birk in command....

 

It's tough to replace 6x probowl center with 14yrs of NFL experiences....

Birk wasn't really that great, he just wasn't bad.  Gino is just too soft against the bigger NTs.  Birk could make it a stand still, but he was a huge issue the year before.  KO also didn't shine, he was just pretty good.  He's flashed good play, but right now he's playing with bad technique and leverage.

[AsianRice]

Birk wasn't really that great, he just wasn't bad.  Gino is just too soft against the bigger NTs.  Birk could make it a stand still, but he was a huge issue the year before.  KO also didn't shine, he was just pretty good.  He's flashed good play, but right now he's playing with bad technique and leverage.

But it's way better than the line we have now when Birk played......

[izvoodoo]

But it's way better than the line we have now when Birk played......

I guess my point is if we could have still improved from Birk, even though Birk wasn't really exceptional at his age.

[AsianRice]

I guess my point is if we could have still improved from Birk, even though Birk wasn't really exceptional at his age.

My only hope is if any center can play old Birk's level, we can still run ball and protect Joe better than today; it's too much to find somebody to play better than Birk's level, seriously...

 

I'll say give A.J Shipley a chance cuz he can't be worse than Gino.....

[Radinho84]

I cannot believe that Birk hade such a big impact on our running game. I don´t know what the reason is but they really suck. OL does´t open up many holes and our backs aren´t performing either. I expect them to become better. hope this happens rather sooner than later...

[LordRavens]

Right, I don't have it all together because I understand simple supply and demand economics. It's not just the NFL. Right or wrong, it's the way of any business in the free world. And you were trashing Flacco long before he signed his latest deal, so don't give that as your excuse. 

 

I'll just go back to ignoring the mindless rants of folks like you because you obviously just don't like the guy. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't crawl back on the band wagon when the O line get's straight and this thing gets fixed.

:feedtroll:

[reediddy]

Gino is awful. However, you have to attempt more run plays than 9 against the leagues 30th ranked run D. I do not know if I have seen the Ravens run any draw plays this year which I think would slow defenses down a little bit on their attack mentality. Finally, Joe does not seem to have confidence in his receivers which is what draws him into some bad mistakes. He has got to trust them even if they are not doing their jobs. Look Brady too is struggling with his subpar young receiver play, but he keeps throwing them too him. Marlon Brown needs to be feed the ball, not old man Dallas Clark. I think today was the fault of everyone on that field offensively and glad Flacco did not throw anyone under the bus.

 

this is a no-win proposition if you ask me. Run too much against this defense (theoretically without success) and we put ourselves in long-yardage situations. Run too little and...well, we all saw what happens.

 

You're 100% right about the lack of confidence in receivers (except Torrey) and it's understandable. One undrafted FA, one washed-up TE, one who simply can't catch. Learning curve is going to be steep; I honestly think we've seen the worst of it though

[ellicottraven]

Pretty sure Torrey isn't.

Torrey is the only saving grace thankfully!

[RedFire]

Just like I thought, I knew someone would say something. Look at the Flacco interview he took the blame on the INT's you don't have to make up some nonsense about what could have happened. Lord knows at this point no one would believe you anyway.

What more do i want. (for120 million) Consistency--- and a better than average QB performance sometime this season. He has not looked sharp in not one game this season. Flacco needs better receivers to be better. This is the reason he is not worth 120 million. He is Eli and Eli is Flacco

How is running the wrong route or balls bouncing off of Ed Dixon hands Flacco fault? Flacco can't catch his own balls. As you said he needs his receivers to be better...aka catch more balls.

You act like Tom Brady would be better with our team because he can will guys to catch the ball, lol. Flacco is suited for non ideal situations better than most QBs in the NFL.




AND....120 million is not guaranteed so the contact is not relevant until the front office says it will not be restructured.

[RedFire]

But Ray Rice didn't get any catches either on screens and short routes to create. Hell even do a reverse if need be.

You get the ball in playmakers hands a certain amount of times a game by forced means. Darren Sproles and Reggie Bush get playmaker opportunities to spark things every game....why can't Ray Rice get a short pass to create a play?

[flaccopoe]

BAL's TEs are so atrocious in the passing game, they should just stick to blocking.  With a 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB  set, Dickson/Clark and Leach can help to form a wall at the LOS, giving Flacco the option to either sit in the pocket & pass to an open WR or hand it off to Pierce/Rice.

[callahan09]

I am a big Joe Flacco fan and I agree with you that he is the guy that has to take primary responsibility for our poor offensive play this season. He has been atrocious to put it mildly. 7 picks in 4 games doesn't tell the whole story though I must add. A lot of those picks were poor catches or bad bounces too. However, so it is for the rest of the players that throw interceptions. However, Joe Flacco is never a consistent performer as borne out by 6 yrs of seeing Joe perform. He is a very inconsistent player but a really good one when he is on.

I am not going to comment on his salary because if he didn't deserve it the shame on Steve Bisciotti. However, Steve Bisciotti is a very smart man, so I think he knows what he paid for.

Flacco isn't really inconsistent.  It's this offense that is.  Some days they just go out there and Flacco gets pressure in his face on every attempt, the run game gets totally stuffed, and neither the deep, intermediate, or underneath receivers gain ny separation at all.  With no time and nobody to throw to, Flacco struggles, and that's kind of to be expected.  I can't think of any bad games for Flacco that didn't also involve the entire offense just totally failing at every level of play. 

[ellicottraven]

“[T]he Bills stink at stopping the run. The Ravens, though, showed they stink worse at running the ball.”  After the game, nobody complained about the number of carries (nine times was a franchise low). And Hensley says that’s the most telling part.

“By no one calling for the Ravens to run the ball more, it says to me that no one has confidence in the running game right now,” he wrote.
 
I hate the fact that the Ravens "3-headed" monster rushing attack from back in the day (Rice, McGahee, McClain) is obsolete!  it was something that we could count on when all else failed!  not now!  we could count on Mason comeback routes when all else failed. not now!  and now, we have Rice, Pierce and Leach in the backfield and the Ravens...the Ravens....can't run the damn football?  they could barely gain 22 yards against the bills?  I don't care how anyone tries to spin it....this piss poor performance is inexcusable!
 
~Mili

I would direct my ire squarely at two people. Juan Castillo and Gino Gradkowski. The minute they do their jobs adequately, then and only then can we question the legitimacy of our running attack. I am not condoning the RBs, but saying give them the environment to succeed first.

[flynismo]

It'll be interesting when they put the cameras in the QB helmets so we can see what Flacco sees. I often wonder if he could see the LB or if he was "hidden" by linemen blocking Flacco's view.

Pure speculation on my part, but on the one pick, I think he simply fired off his pass before scanning the field. Things like that happen when the pass rush gets to you before the football does

[flynismo]

agreed. flacco is a shaub level qb, maybe cutler level who somtimes can let one rip with his arm strength. he doesnt have even close to the right awareness and even passing accuracy that would justify 120 mill. basicaly we used to have a run game that won us a lot games,.flacco cannot win games on his own like brees or peyton. his stats are not a fluke. he is what he is. an above average qb capabale of very good moments. his run in the playoffs last season was a little purple patch that occured at just the right time.

This might be the dumbest thing I ever read. You obviously have not watched a single game of ours over the past five years.

[PurpleCityLights]

We have a new O-line coach he's the guy from the Eagles who was getting Vick killed with his poor blocking scheme.

[PurpleCityLights]

One of "Harb's Guys">>>>>>Nepotism.

[wayne]

One thing the Cowboys have done to help Murray as they have changed up the blocking scheme a tad bit and made more of his runs where he finds a crease and he just go north and south. With as big as our O-line is, we should be more of a power blocking team IMO, we have a few maulers on the line, let them do what they do best.