Jacoby Jones and Bryant McKinnie in a party bus brawl Sunday night?

[flaccopoe]

My old man told me something quite profound a few years ago:  If you don't want trouble, don't go where you know trouble resides.

The three places where trouble normally resides are:

1) Public place with a reputation for questionable characters

2) Places where women degrade themselves (strip joints, prostitution walks, etc.

3) Places where the reason people are there is to lose control via alcohol/drugs

 

He also said to keep two things closed when it's clear it's going to cause you grief, and you'll stay out of bad situations;

1) Your fly

2) Your mouth

 

Simple logic from a simple time.....but is still timeless advice.   :oldwiseman:

 

Only time your fly should be open is when you're fly fishing!

 

+69 for Puntit's jokes.

[redravenfan]

The only thing bigger than the ray lewis mystique is his ego

I was stunned last night that he said that on national tv. that's not true you can't control what the players do every second of every day . even if he was on the team they would still go out and party .

[redravenfan]

I see most people aren't blaming Jacoby they r squarely blaming Mckinnie. Begs the question that no one is asking. what in the world did Jacoby do to warrant being busted in the head with a bottle .

[Puntit]

I see most people aren't blaming Jacoby they r squarely blaming Mckinnie. ...

Its not that we aren't blaming Jones. Both guys put themselves into a situation that embarrased the team. Its that McKinnie has been repeatedly in the papers for stripper related issues dating back to his Viking days so he, of all people, should really know better. (Not to mention that by age 34, it might be time to figure out a more private way to enjoy women and wine on your birthday).

 

Also we don't really have to beat up Jones as much on this thread because Sweet Pea already did that for us.

[NaveSenrag]

I thought McKinnie was through with that stuff for a while. Jacoby is getting a little too "Hollywood" for my tastes. They all need to put a bigger priority on football over partying.

Just so we're clear on what you're saying, do you intend to be doing work on the night of your birthday?

[Puntit]

Just so we're clear on what you're saying, do you intend to be doing work on the night of your birthday?

To be fair, there's a LOT of middle ground between "doing work" on your birthday and taking a party bus with strippers.  Most of us have a good time without going to the Jones/McKinnie extreme.

[DocMartin]

McKinnie's Birthday Party BASH
BAD NEWS Stripper Sweet Pea hit Jacoby's head with champagne bottle.
GOOD NEWS Dragonfly bleeds all over the place but there is NO CONCUSSION
BAD NEWS McKinnie and Dragonfly are now in HARBAUGH's DOG HOUSE
GOOD NEWS When they return, they will play MUCH BETTER

[NaveSenrag]

To be fair, there's a LOT of middle ground between "doing work" on your birthday and taking a party bus with strippers.  Most of us have a good time without going to the Jones/McKinnie extreme.

He said they need to put a bigger priority on football. If they weren't out partying, it isn't like they'd be at home getting some practice in at 3 AM. McKinnie has every right to enjoy his birthday without being told that his decision to enjoy his birthday shows that he isn't committed to his job. It isn't how I would choose to spend my birthday, but this isn't my birthday.

[Puntit]

...
BAD NEWS McKinnie and Dragonfly are now in HARBAUGH's DOG HOUSE
GOOD NEWS When they return, they will play MUCH BETTER

The person who can really benefit from this is Tandon Doss. If he plays a few more games like last Sunday, this incident could help Harbaugh decide to contiue with him even after Jones heals.

[runamuk]

 

He said they need to put a bigger priority on football. If they weren't out partying, it isn't like they'd be at home getting some practice in at 3 AM. McKinnie has every right to enjoy his birthday without being told that his decision to enjoy his birthday shows that he isn't committed to his job. It isn't how I would choose to spend my birthday, but this isn't my birthday.

+100

[Puntit]

He said they need to put a bigger priority on football. If they weren't out partying, it isn't like they'd be at home getting some practice in at 3 AM. McKinnie has every right to enjoy his birthday without being told that his decision to enjoy his birthday shows that he isn't committed to his job. It isn't how I would choose to spend my birthday, but this isn't my birthday.

Again it comes down to the fact that when you are in the NFL, you are the face of the organization. McKinnie didn't just embarrass himself, he embarrassed the Ravens. Harbaugh had to talk about it at a press conference  - instead of getting to talk about the recent win. Every paper that covered the story referenced the players as Ravens, not as two guys out on their own time. It impacts marketing, jersey sales. Essentially when you sign on with the team, you commit to being a good will ambassador for the duration of your tenure. So yeah, I think you actually do have to temper how you celebrate during your relatively short NFL career or risk screwing it up. Did he need to be up studying game tapes at 3 am on his birthday instead? No. But he should have done something more private and less likely to create a news story. And again McKinnie has been through all this before, so he should get this by now.

[NaveSenrag]

Again it comes down to the fact that when you are in the NFL, you are the face of the organization. McKinnie didn't just embarrass himself, he embarrassed the Ravens. Harbaugh had to talk about it at a press conference  - instead of getting to talk about the recent win. Every paper that covered the story referenced the players as Ravens, not as two guys out on their own time. It impacts marketing, jersey sales. Essentially when you sign on with the team, you commit to being a good will ambassador for the duration of your tenure. So yeah, I think you actually do have to temper how you celebrate during your relatively short NFL career or risk screwing it up. Did he need to be up studying game tapes at 3 am on his birthday instead? No. But he should have done something more private and less likely to create a news story. And again McKinnie has been through all this before, so he should get this by now.

The only reason this is a story is because Jacoby got hit with a champagne bottle. If that hadn't happened, no one would care. Enjoying your birthday with strippers on a party bus isn't some horrible thing that is going to reflect negatively on the organization. McKinnie's only involvement with the situation was turning 34, and preventing Jacoby's friends from beating a stripper to death.

Maybe McKinnie did something stupid. Maybe Jacoby did something stupid. That's speculation. Right now, all we know is that we don't know if either of them did anything stupid, and that McKinnie actually did something good.

[DocMartin]

I think McKinnie is single and Jacoby is married, so there is a SOME difference. Jacoby's wife is probably not happy. I don't know aboiut the NFL policy regarding this kind of issue but I know Goodell is trying to "clean" the image, let's hope he doesn't go overboard and hands down some suspension.

[Puntit]

The only reason this is a story is because Jacoby got hit with a champagne bottle. If that hadn't happened, no one would care. Enjoying your birthday with strippers on a party bus isn't some horrible thing that is going to reflect negatively on the organization. McKinnie's only involvement with the situation was turning 34, and preventing Jacoby's friends from beating a stripper to death.

Maybe McKinnie did something stupid. Maybe Jacoby did something stupid. That's speculation. Right now, all we know is that we don't know if either of them did anything stupid, and that McKinnie actually did something good.

I'm suggesting that with McKinnie's numerous embarrassing past issues with strippers, spanning back to when he was a Viking, simply by agreeing to go onto a party bus with strippers he did something stupid. There's a good reason Harbaugh is not happy.

[redravenfan]

Again it comes down to the fact that when you are in the NFL, you are the face of the organization. McKinnie didn't just embarrass himself, he embarrassed the Ravens. Harbaugh had to talk about it at a press conference  - instead of getting to talk about the recent win. Every paper that covered the story referenced the players as Ravens, not as two guys out on their own time. It impacts marketing, jersey sales. Essentially when you sign on with the team, you commit to being a good will ambassador for the duration of your tenure. So yeah, I think you actually do have to temper how you celebrate during your relatively short NFL career or risk screwing it up. Did he need to be up studying game tapes at 3 am on his birthday instead? No. But he should have done something more private and less likely to create a news story. And again McKinnie has been through all this before, so he should get this by now.

jacoby signed on two so why are you harping on mckinnie , and for the record I have never seen a mckinnie jersey or any merchandise with his name on it . jacoby on the other hand .... . Jacoby is a big boy and deserves some credit for his actions too . i'm sure mckinnie didn't break his arms. and like I said before he did something to get whacked . jacoby deserves some credit too

[flaccopoe]

The only reason this is a story is because Jacoby got hit with a champagne bottle. If that hadn't happened, no one would care. Enjoying your birthday with strippers on a party bus isn't some horrible thing that is going to reflect negatively on the organization. McKinnie's only involvement with the situation was turning 34, and preventing Jacoby's friends from beating a stripper to death.

Maybe McKinnie did something stupid. Maybe Jacoby did something stupid. That's speculation. Right now, all we know is that we don't know if either of them did anything stupid, and that McKinnie actually did something good.

 

A voice of reason on a very unreasonable subject!

[DocMartin]

Lesson learned: Don't ride on the bus with strippers. But if you do, make sure there are no champagne bottles and crazy stripper named Sweet Pea.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So wait, one of our players gets assaulted with a champagne bottle on his friends birthday and theyre both the bad guys?

 

Look, I get the whole responsibility, face of the franchise thing and there is some truth to it. You do need to be responsible. But these are single men, going out for a night who chose to bring some strippers along for the ride. Not my cup of tea, but that doesn't make them bad people.

 

Assuming Jacoby did something deserving a bottle to the head is a little unfair too. What if he said "Sweet Pea, you deserve better than this. You're better than this...." and the proud stripper smashed the bottle over his head.

 

Just a possibility.

 

The point is, in any other circumstance Jacoby would be seen as the victim of an assault. He didn't go to the hospital or press charges most likely because he didn't want this to get out. Unfortunately, my guess is this Sweet Pea called TMZ and proudly told them what she had done.

[runamuk]

So wait, one of our players gets assaulted with a champagne bottle on his friends birthday and theyre both the bad guys?

 

Look, I get the whole responsibility, face of the franchise thing and there is some truth to it. You do need to be responsible. But these are single men, going out for a night who chose to bring some strippers along for the ride. Not my cup of tea, but that doesn't make them bad people.

 

Assuming Jacoby did something deserving a bottle to the head is a little unfair too. What if he said "Sweet Pea, you deserve better than this. You're better than this...." and the proud stripper smashed the bottle over his head.

 

Just a possibility.

 

The point is, in any other circumstance Jacoby would be seen as the victim of an assault. He didn't go to the hospital or press charges most likely because he didn't want this to get out. Unfortunately, my guess is this Sweet Pea called TMZ and proudly told them what she had done.

another voice of reason +10

[cushrinada1986]

Lol yes that's why I actually believe it.  Doesn't seem like anything too big of a deal.  Obviously they should control their actions, but it's not like these guys aren't allowed to ever go out.  I wish they'd be more cognizant of their status, however.

Celeb status + Money + Temptation + Bad Company = TMZ 100% of the time........ I just hope that lap dance was worth it but Jones cane consider himself in Johns dog house even after he comes back and he kind of deserves it. He should be thinking about playing but instead finds himself bleeding over a lap dance. With this story coming out, unless Marlon goes down with an injury(knock on wood it doesn't happen) Jones may have placed himself behind Stokely and Deonte on the WR roster spot. The one thing good teams hate is when off the field issues show up in the news and Jones will hear about it from the coach and FO this week.

[Puntit]

jacoby signed on two so why are you harping on mckinnie , and for the record I have never seen a mckinnie jersey or any merchandise with his name on it . jacoby on the other hand .... . Jacoby is a big boy and deserves some credit for his actions too . i'm sure mckinnie didn't break his arms. and like I said before he did something to get whacked . jacoby deserves some credit too

I'm not absolving Jacoby. But McKinnie has the history of problems with strippers dating way back before this incident. (Google it if you don't already know). He's the habitual offender here. That's what makes it a totally different situation for him. Sort of like if two people get nabbed in the same sting operation and one has a list of priors while the other has a comparably short rap sheet -- who do you think gets/deserves worse punishment? Its always the guy with the history. You only get so many screw ups in the eyes of public opinion.

[Puntit]

I'm not absolving Jacoby. But McKinnie has the history of problems with strippers dating way back before this incident. (Google it if you don't already know). He's the habitual offender here. That's what makes it a totally different situation for him. Sort of like if two people get nabbed in the same sting operation and one has a list of priors while the other has a comparably short rap sheet -- who do you think gets/deserves worse punishment? Its always the guy with the history. You only get so many screw ups in the eyes of public opinion (unless you are Suh or Pac Man, I guess)..

McKinnie used his up.

[Purple Nurple]

Hope she gets fined for hitting a defenseless receiver

Lmao.

End the thread.

[H8ME]

If the tmz story is true, seems that Jacoby went to far with a stripper she retaliated by bussing his head with a bottle ... Then Jacoby couldn't control his friends who want to fight his teammate Mckinnie and the man who the party bus is for really. Just sounds like normal drunk events.

 

Yeah, you'd have to be drunk to want to fight Big Mac.

[ravensdfan]

 

He said they need to put a bigger priority on football. If they weren't out partying, it isn't like they'd be at home getting some practice in at 3 AM. McKinnie has every right to enjoy his birthday without being told that his decision to enjoy his birthday shows that he isn't committed to his job. It isn't how I would choose to spend my birthday, but this isn't my birthday.

 

It's fine IF you are actually doing your job well. McKinnie did not do his job well on Sunday. He has every right to celebrate his birthday. He has no right to do so in a manner that discredits the Ravens' organization. Face it, this isn't McKinnie's first issue and that's why most people seem to be picking on him and implicating him.

Harbaugh spent a lot of time & effort to change the face of this franchise. I realize that many fans here weren't around for our time known as the thugs of the NFL. Those of us who were, and vehemently defended our team against those charges, do not appreciate stupid mind numbing antics such as this one, that already have the media pundits talking about how we now "have no leadership" our "locker room is undisciplined". Yep. Here we go again. One stupid decision by McKinnie & Jones and all that hard work to better our image goes flush down the toilet.

THAT is the point. Not whether as grown men they can do as they want or if it was something horrible. It wasn't anything horrible, I think most of us understand that, but it was something damaging to the organization.

 

So wait, one of our players gets assaulted with a champagne bottle on his friends birthday and theyre both the bad guys?

 

Look, I get the whole responsibility, face of the franchise thing and there is some truth to it. You do need to be responsible. But these are single men, going out for a night who chose to bring some strippers along for the ride. Not my cup of tea, but that doesn't make them bad people.

 

Assuming Jacoby did something deserving a bottle to the head is a little unfair too. What if he said "Sweet Pea, you deserve better than this. You're better than this...." and the proud stripper smashed the bottle over his head.

 

Just a possibility.

 

The point is, in any other circumstance Jacoby would be seen as the victim of an assault. He didn't go to the hospital or press charges most likely because he didn't want this to get out. Unfortunately, my guess is this Sweet Pea called TMZ and proudly told them what she had done.

 

And it all comes down to choices.

 

Seriously, some common sense & discretion and intelligence would have prevented this entire episode. Too bad apparently McKinnie & Jones lack any of those. Chose your company carefully.

[Puntit]

It's fine IF you are actually doing your job well. McKinnie did not do his job well on Sunday. He has every right to celebrate his birthday. He has no right to do so in a manner that discredits the Ravens' organization. Face it, this isn't McKinnie's first issue and that's why most people seem to be picking on him and implicating him.

Harbaugh spent a lot of time & effort to change the face of this franchise. I realize that many fans here weren't around for our time known as the thugs of the NFL. Those of us who were, and vehemently defended our team against those charges, do not appreciate stupid mind numbing antics such as this one, that already have the media pundits talking about how we now "have no leadership" our "locker room is undisciplined". Yep. Here we go again. One stupid decision by McKinnie & Jones and all that hard work to better our image goes flush down the toilet.

THAT is the point. Not whether as grown men they can do as they want or if it was something horrible. It wasn't anything horrible, I think most of us understand that, but it was something damaging to the organization.

 

Exactly.

[redravenfan]

whoa its not that serious the ravens organization is just fine . take it down a couple hundred notches

[Puntit]

whoa its not that serious the ravens organization is just fine . take it down a couple hundred notches

Based on his press conference, Harbaugh would tend to disagree. This quickly became HIS media problem and the organizations. As much as you want to play it down as just two guys doing what they have every right to do, I think its become much more of a black eye for the good reputation of the Ravens than you are willing to acknowledge. The team is being portrayed as without leadership, and with players who are not behaving like responsible adults. So a couple hundred notches is actually how its playing back at the castle.

[redravenfan]

Based on his press conference, Harbaugh would tend to disagree. This quickly became HIS media problem and the organizations.

 the thing is its done and over with . I do not agree with kicking them off the team if so others on the team who have done worse things drugs,, look at suspensions, beating on women suggs ,this is minor and if people wouldn't make such a big deal out of nothing there wouldn't be a problem . everyone calling for mckinnies head . who do we start at left tackle and before the name oher is brought up I mean a left tackle that isn't a turnstile ending in a hit on joe .

[Puntit]

 the thing is its done and over with . I do not agree with kicking them off the team if so others on the team who have done worse things drugs,, look at suspensions, beating on women suggs ,this is minor and if people wouldn't make such a big deal out of nothing there wouldn't be a problem . everyone calling for mckinnies head . who do we start at left tackle and before the name oher is brought up I mean a left tackle that isn't a turnstile ending in a hit on joe .

I'm not advocating kicking them off the team. That would be foolish. But I am advocating that these guys get whipped into shape and hoping steps are taken that keep more Ravens off of the evening news. I do expect Jones to be in the doghouse for a while. McKinnie might be untouchable given that we don't have a stable of good LTs.

 

 

If we did cut McKinnie, I think we all know he would be signed by the Steelers in a second and by tomorrow there would be pictures of him and Ben on a party bus.