Jacoby Jones and Bryant McKinnie in a party bus brawl Sunday night?

[rmw10]

I thought that we went to the playoffs last year without McKinnie and anyone sitting after a 16 game season is going to perform well in the post season. People are crying don't release him and I guess if you live a life where strippers hitting people over the head with "ace of spades" champagne causing a brawl on a party bus is considered living life outside of football lead a different life than I do. I guess it's what is wrong with the NFL and their drug, alcohol and violence problems, that if you play well it's "okay" with a wink and a nod. Ask Von Miller and Aldon Smith how that has worked out in their life. McKinnie is in debt, can't pay his bills, is being sued, had problems with the love boat in Minnesota and clearly will never learn and is such a wonderful influence so go ahead and defend him and say how much the team needs him. I don't think I want that influence on my team, but I guess it's "okay" with you. Wink and nod. Also, "ace of spades" comes in metallic bottles so the hype of smashing a bottle over his head is a little impossible.

 

But I don't think either Jones or McKinnie have a "problem" with alcohol.  These were just 2 guys going out and celebrating a birthday.  Yes, McKinnie has a past that doesn't look too great.  But has he ever endangered lives by his drinking and partying?  It sounds like a guy that needs to grow up more than a guy that needs to go to rehab.  At least they weren't drinking and driving. It's something that escalated a little too far, but I guarantee stuff like this happens all of the time.  I've been to parties where people have been out of control.

 

I'm not condoning their actions, but to say to release them based on incidents that happen everyday is straight up crazy.

[Ragin'Raven]

I agree with what Harbaugh said in his press conference today. Nothing good happens after midnight (except births-my own sons included). ;) But seriously, for a Christian coach like Harbaugh who preaches good values and personal restraint, you have to believe that he flew off the chain when he heard about that today.

[runamuk]

They were out celebrating things got out of hand . we are not talking about  aldon smith driving drunk on multiple occasions , or others who drive drunk  and injure others. I think folks are making way to much out of it .

[ellicottraven]

McKinnie has always been a guy a little out of control. He was in control when he had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed looking over him. I hope he isn't the rotten apple that spoils the rest of the good ones.

Jacoby stay away from him. He is trouble.

[Puntit]

They were out celebrating things got out of hand . we are not talking about  aldon smith driving drunk on multiple occasions , or others who drive drunk  and injure others. I think folks are making way to much out of it .

Well we are talking about McKinnie partying with strippers (with bad end results) on multiple occaisions.  At what point can his employer tell him to cool it already.

[flynismo]

I certainly hope 18 year olds aren't renting out party busses, dancing with strippers, and buying hundred dollar champagne bottles. As long as he isn't hurting anyone (or himself), I would love for him to enjoy his birthday however he wishes.

I'd hope 18 year olds dont do a lot of things that they do...

 

He obviously has the right to do whatever he wants, but really, who does this kind of stuff? You'd think he learned his lesson from the party boat

[flynismo]

Formula for "Instant Idiot":

 

1) Testosterone

2) Liberally mix with alcohol

3) Gather with those dealing with both 1) and 2)

4) Kid yourself that partying and alcohol with those whom you do not know are dealing with 1) and 2)

 

Mix and enjoy the outcome, which is usually at best a severe hangover, and at worst.....lying in the gutter staring at the stars

 

I have a Chris McAlister story to tell you!

[flynismo]

But I don't think either Jones or McKinnie have a "problem" with alcohol.  These were just 2 guys going out and celebrating a birthday.  Yes, McKinnie has a past that doesn't look too great.  But has he ever endangered lives by his drinking and partying?  It sounds like a guy that needs to grow up more than a guy that needs to go to rehab.  At least they weren't drinking and driving. It's something that escalated a little too far, but I guarantee stuff like this happens all of the time.  I've been to parties where people have been out of control.

 

I'm not condoning their actions, but to say to release them based on incidents that happen everyday is straight up crazy.

 

Yep, that's all it is...McKinnie is a 34 year old kid. His perogative

[runamuk]

Well we are talking about McKinnie partying with strippers (with bad end results) on multiple occaisions.  At what point can his employer tell him to cool it already.

I think they can tell him to be more discreet they can not however tell him how to live his life off the field . Mckinnie has a history of this , the ravens knew it he's 34 years old I don't see his behavior changing . he has a thing for partying with strippers. I personally don't think its a big deal . I an surprised at jacoby being involved but eh...

[ravensdfan]

Well, I think it's stupid and dumb and stupid lol

 

However, they are grown men. I do have to give them props for renting a bus and not driving around town though.

 

Now, less partying McKinnie and perhaps you wouldn't have to grab facemasks all day to do your job.

[K-Dog]

Its easy to tell the older folk from the younger folk in this thread.

[Tank 92]

Well, I sure hope Dragonfly learned an important lesson here. If your hangin' with Sweet Pea, keep your helmet on!

[BMORElegacy]

Well, no one was arrested, so that's a positive, right?

everybody at the scene refused to cooperate with police. 

 

Snitches get stitches. 

[Ragin'Raven]

It's not necessarily who they were hanging out with but more how they didn't restrain themselves from the situation. If they were single guys, it's hard to say, 'don't party with strippers.' Although tacky, there is nothing illegal about that (sans prostitution I suppose). However, it's the lack of personal restraint in the situation that is the bad part of the issue. It's not who they were involved with, it's how they reacted once involved.

[rmw10]

It's not necessarily who they were hanging out with but more how they didn't restrain themselves from the situation. If they were single guys, it's hard to say, 'don't party with strippers.' Although tacky, there is nothing illegal about that (sans prostitution I suppose). However, it's the lack of personal restraint in the situation that is the bad part of the issue. It's not who they were involved with, it's how they reacted once involved.

 

Not to say that you're wrong or that I disagree, but I don't think you or I can say this since we don't know the situation.  It could be that Jacoby did something wrong, or it could be that Sweet Pea just went crazy.  It's something we're never going to find out, so I don't think it's fair to cast blame on anyone.

[Ragin'Raven]

Not to say that you're wrong or that I disagree, but I don't think you or I can say this since we don't know the situation.  It could be that Jacoby did something wrong, or it could be that Sweet Pea just went crazy.  It's something we're never going to find out, so I don't think it's fair to cast blame on anyone.

No, but being in that type of situation to begin with probably wasn't a wise idea. That was Harbaugh's whole "nothing good happens after midnight" comment.

[flynismo]

It's not necessarily who they were hanging out with but more how they didn't restrain themselves from the situation. If they were single guys, it's hard to say, 'don't party with strippers.' Although tacky, there is nothing illegal about that (sans prostitution I suppose). However, it's the lack of personal restraint in the situation that is the bad part of the issue. It's not who they were involved with, it's how they reacted once involved.

Well, there's nothing illegal about being intoxicated all day, every day, but I'd question the character of said person, single or not...he just needs to grow up, that's all

[rmw10]

No, but being in that type of situation to begin with probably wasn't a wise idea. That was Harbaugh's whole "nothing good happens after midnight" comment.

 

The reality is that it could be a normal night out, and Sweet Pea just lost her cool for whatever reason.  Jacoby and Bryant could have tried to back out of the situation.  It could also be at the other end of that spectrum.  We'll never know.  I can't fault them too much for going out and partying.  Just because they're football players doesn't make them any less than humans.  Some people prefer that lifestyle, and turn out to be quality individuals.

 

I will say, I think Bryant has proven that him, strippers, and alcohol don't mix well, though

[NaveSenrag]

Why is Bryant getting so much flack? All we know about him is that he was there and that he kept some of Jacoby's friends from beating up a stripper. Everything else is speculation.

[Puntit]

Its easy to tell the older folk from the younger folk in this thread.

Yes, but remember, McKinnie is "older folk". He's 34.

 

I think most of us with jobs/bosses/friends/families would and should be a bit ashamed if we ended up in the papers in a brawl on a party bus with strippers, and we would take steps to make sure it never happened again. But for McKinnie, it has happened again. And again. Someone needs to sit him down and tell him that as long as he's one of the 53 faces of the organization, he needs to keep his extracurricular activities considerably more private than a party bus/boat/strip club. have a few beers with friends at home and play GTA5 if you still need to act like a 21 yo.

[ravensfan2424]

I feel like they should print this article, full sized, and make it a poster right next to the exit of the locker room. That way it reminds the younger players what they shouldn't be doing when they leave. 

[Puntit]

Why is Bryant getting so much flack? All we know about him is that he was there and that he kept some of Jacoby's friends from beating up a stripper. Everything else is speculation.

Simple -- he has the history with strippers. If one had already previously had a ton of bad press involving strippers and somebody asked him if he wanted to go on a party bus with strippers for my birthday, a wise person might take a pass. He put himself into a situation made more awkward by his lengthy history. Bad idea.

[NaveSenrag]

Simple -- he has the history with strippers. If one had already previously had a ton of bad press involving strippers and somebody asked him if he wanted to go on a party bus with strippers for my birthday, a wise person might take a pass. He put himself into a situation made more awkward by his lengthy history. Bad idea.

No one ever accused McKinnie of being wise, but I find it hard to understand why the single guy gets grief for hanging around strippers, but the guy with a fiancé and a kid gets a pass.

[Puntit]

No one ever accused McKinnie of being wise, but I find it hard to understand why the single guy gets grief for hanging around strippers, but the guy with a fiancé and a kid gets a pass.

I wasn't giving anyone a pass. But the guy who has already been in the papers and bankrupted by strippers has several hundred thousand reasons to never put himself in that situation again.

[runamuk]

No one ever accused McKinnie of being wise, but I find it hard to understand why the single guy gets grief for hanging around strippers, but the guy with a fiancé and a kid gets a pass.

amen . this is going nuts and its not that serious

[Puntit]

amen . this is going nuts and its not that serious

It's not serious in comparison to actually committing a crime. It's serious in terms of being a face of an organization and exercising extremely bad judgement. The fact that Harbaugh had to address this to the press and on his birthday should be mortifying to both those guys. But based on McKinnie's history, he will probably do the same thing when he turns 35.

[NaveSenrag]

I wasn't giving anyone a pass. But the guy who has already been in the papers and bankrupted by strippers has several hundred thousand reasons to never put himself in that situation again.

Maybe not you, but every post in the thread has been about McKinnie. And like I said, I can't fault McKinnie for enjoying his birthday, especially when by all accounts he did nothing wrong and probably saved that stripper's life.

[Puntit]

Maybe not you, but every post in the thread has been about McKinnie. And like I said, I can't fault McKinnie for enjoying his birthday, especially when by all accounts he did nothing wrong and probably saved that stripper's life.

Again, it's largely about McKinnie because he has the history with strippers. Google it -- its been his Achiles heal for years. He, of all people, should have known the risks of putting yourself in that situation because he has been in it a couple of times now. Plus at 34, its harder and harder for him to say he's just being a foolish kid.

[Cawtious]

My old man told me something quite profound a few years ago:  If you don't want trouble, don't go where you know trouble resides.

The three places where trouble normally resides are:

1) Public place with a reputation for questionable characters

2) Places where women degrade themselves (strip joints, prostitution walks, etc.

3) Places where the reason people are there is to lose control via alcohol/drugs

 

He also said to keep two things closed when it's clear it's going to cause you grief, and you'll stay out of bad situations;

1) Your fly

2) Your mouth

 

Simple logic from a simple time.....but is still timeless advice.   :oldwiseman:

[Tank 92]

So..... I just read that today is Harbs' bday as well.  Does he get fined for missing the bus?