When does Flacco start playing like a top paid QB?

[funky141]

I knew this post would draw fire....

[codizzle]

I knew this post would draw fire....

Waiting for your lighter fluid post to blow it up a little more

[Mike B]

one of the top paid quarterbacks in the game???

 

I've been tolerant of his weak numbers thus far but it's about to change soon.

 

If he's able to bring along some young recievers like Brown or others it will go a long way , the way he is paid (AAV)  he needs to do that. 

 

  His payday while not handicapping the ravens this season will in future years if lackluster numbers are the order of the day.

 

 

Hopefully this is the week Flacco reminds the fanbase why he's paid like one of the great quarterbacks..

Might want to take a look at all the drops.  Thought he was very good against Cleveland.  Brown and Torrey failed to catch terrific throws that would have been TD's.  That would have changed things

[jazz1988]

Yeah, I think it's because it's because they're so new.  It's hard to feel new receivers, that's why continuity is so important on offense.

 

Joe was doing this last year as well its not somethings thats just happening now. Joe Flacco been fine but there has been some moments where i was dissatisfied with his play; I do believe that Flacco and his receivers have to be on the same page and overall build good chemistry which will take sometime.

[ellicottraven]

Those numbers wouldn't look bad if his receivers and tight ends caught the ball.  Stats don't tell the whole story.  Flacco has played very well so far this year.

Well, you are right about the receivers not catching balls. However, to be fair you have to concede that Flacco has been error prone on his throws and has thrown several interceptions starting with preseason games. It must be noted that last game he was interception free and played a great game.

The truth is that Flacco is inconsistent as a performer, but when he is on he is tremendous. Also, he never plays poorly when it is showtime!

[ellicottraven]

hate to say it, but Flacco has been staring down his targets pretty hard the last couple weeks.

As much as i hate to admit it, Flacco has been following his receivers with his eyes like a man stranded on an island would look at a hot girl! Kidding aside, it is a problem with Flacco this year and perhaps in years past as well. I don't know what you attribute that to, but lack of confidence in his receivers being where they need to be may be one of the reasons. That again drills down to practice time with his receivers to get timing of the routes down. Is Flacco doing it? I think so, but don't know for a fact.

[PurpleCorsair]

It's a horrible argument to bring up Brady.

You're assuming all of us expected the Patriots to dominate this year like they have in the past.  That's not the case.  They have absolutely no threat of a running game, their defense can't get them the ball back by forcing 3 and outs so they don't get to build a rythm early like they did in years past.  And you say they lost Welker, but Welker has had quite a few drops... especially in big games.... the last few years.  So guess what... Brady and ALL OTHER QB's have receivers who drop the ball.  How many touchdowns has Calvin Johnson himself lost due to dropping the ball?  You keep pointing out any other possible outcome than blaming Flacco.... but at the end of the day, if you want to pay the QB like he's the most important person on the team, then he better play well more consistently than what Flacco does. 

And hey, it's only 2 weeks in.  And while I did expect them to be 1-1 at this point.... and I did expect them to play Denver close...  I definitely didn't expect them to be pretty much shut out by the Browns on the home opener in Baltimore.  Especially after an extended week to rest and prepare...

Patriots lead the AFC in rushing last year, if I recall correctly.

[cravnravn]

There have been two easy TD passes dropped (one was a rookie mistake, so there's that) and one that was bobbled then caught out of bounds.

 

Although the numbers don't show it, Flacco was 7/8 on 3rd down during the second half last game which helped the Ravens win the TOP battle and put points on the board.

 

3 easy passes dropped, the Dallas Clark drop in week 1, changed the game

[Clutch Ravens]

Receivers have dropped 3 gimme Touchdowns, along with a tonne of other passes.

 

The ground game can't even average 3 yards per carry.

 

The offensive line can't block (bar Yanda).

 

And Flacco's the problem?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

That's funny because I'm pretty sure Dallas Clark has more drops than Dickson. I just wonder why Flacco can never seem to hit Dickson in stride. He seems to have more trouble throwing accurately to Dickson than any other player on the team.

Bc Dickson shortens his strides when he hears footsteps. Literally from anywhere. When he's at home in the morning and his son or daughter comes running into the kitchen I hear he even drops his cereal bowl. Anyways....

Mason is awesome receiver, but more in the mold of the #2 possession guy. He had great years but he's not the guy that's going to consistently win double teams. Boldin, see Mason. And Torrey is just beginning to develop his route tree.

The point is, he's had very good receivers at times but he's never had a 2007 or younger Moss. No megatron, Julio jones or Larry fitz. Never even really a welker or d. Thomas w/ decker on the side. No Gronk with a Hernandez and welker.

He's never had the depth of receiving options with the diversity of skill set that most of the QBs who put up big numbers have had when they did it.

And you're seeing that other elite guys like Tom Brady when put in the same situation is still capable of winning, but not with the great numbers we're used to seeing.

You can do the same thing with Oline play. How's never had great Oline play til his Super Bowl run.

He's only ever had a great run game and great defenses. Neither of which help a QB put up big numbers.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Bench Flacco. Is Tebow still a free agent?

[Colgate1969]

Good answer. Some of our Raven fans should give up on fantasy football.

 

 

I have to disagree on this one.   My view is don't give up on fantasy football.  Just learn to seperate it from your reality football:)

 

I would never draft Flacco as my #1 FF QB, but the only QB I would take over him at this point (in reality) is Aaron Rodgers.

[K-Dog]

Its Cams fault.

[Puntit]

Patriots lead the AFC in rushing last year, if I recall correctly.

You recall incorrectly. They came in 3rd behind KC and Buffalo.

[Colgate1969]

I think a lot of the staring is because so many pass catchers are new.  to really look off defenders you have to have to be able to hit them blindfolded.  because you basically are hitting them blind.

 

I think part of it is developing trust w/ his receivers.  If he's not sure where they are going he's going to stare a bit more.  He looked like he was developing more chemistry w/ Marlon Brown and hitting him out of breaks.

[Alexir]

All I know is, #20 will punk him if tries to stare down a receiver on his watch.

[Alexir]

I get it, it is frustrating. He just got a huge contract, you would expect more out of him. But here's the thing. You have to temper expectations. He is not Rodgers, Manning, Brady or Brees. He will rarely take a game over. That's not saying he is a game manager, but the 4 guys I just named are HoF caliber guys.

 

Once the tightends elevate their game and Deonte is healthy, I see the offense improving by a lot.

[flynismo]

I get it, it is frustrating. He just got a huge contract, you would expect more out of him. But here's the thing. You have to temper expectations. He is not Rodgers, Manning, Brady or Brees. He will rarely take a came over. That's not saying he is a game manager, but the 4 guys I just named are HoF caliber guys.

 

Once the tightends elevate their game and Deonte is healthy, I see the offense improving by a lot.

Yeah, he will take a game over. We've seen it happen many, many times. But just like Brady and Co. aren't HOF players without their supporting cast play well, Flacco cant take a game over when his recievers drop his perfect passes

[cushrinada1986]

That's funny because I'm pretty sure Dallas Clark has more drops than Dickson.  I just wonder why Flacco can never seem to hit Dickson in stride.  He seems to have more trouble throwing accurately to Dickson than any other player on the team.

Still proves my point, I mean theres a reason why he initially started his career starting OVER Pitta and now he got Flacco to angry at him, he threw to him once last game and then never again.

[DocMartin]

Spoken like somebody who hasn't actually been watching any games. Flacco has been making some phenominal throws. Not his fault if receivers aren't getting separation and are dropping every other pass right off their fingertips.

Let's not forget Kyle Boller was making some phenomimal throws, most of them in practice. Well we know our receivers and TE's dropped passes and we all hope they get better. Clark, Stokley and M. Brown are all just getting familiar with Flacco's throws, Brown seems to be adjusting really well. Dickson on the other hand has no excuse for his dropped passes. Regardless, Joe has to find the way to convert those 3rd downs. Sometimes he will have to jist tuck and run to get the 1st down or get creative. Having 0 points at half time is not good agaimst.any team in NFL.

[Puntit]

Let's not forget Kyle Boller was making some phenomimal throws, most of them in practice. ..

Boller wasn't victimized by drops, he was victimized because he routinely used to throw the ball 2 yards out of reach of his receivers. There's a difference. When your guy is hitting his receivers in their hands and they aren't coming down with them, that's when you get to say its the receivers fault. I think its telling that Boller never really prospered anywhere after Baltimore -- he didn't even get Troy Smith type interest for the remainder of his career (assuming its over). The guy was simply not a starting QB. He sounded good on paper and suckerered Billick into thinking he would someday come around, but he was never good. He was our Mark Sanchez. He hit his ceiling in his first year and milked out a few more years before everyone realized this was as good as it was going to get. So no, I don't think you want to include Boller in the same sentence as Flacco unless its to say "the Ravens dumped Boller once Flacco came onto the scene."

[jimmypowder]

I'm very happy to see that Hardbaugh has awakened from the coma he suffered two years ago . Harbaugh please read up on our Super Bowl victory last season where Joe threw 11 td passes and had zero picks ,tying Joe Montana 's playoff record . There's a lot to catch up on !!

[RedFire]

He has made a couple of bad throws....but it's not even close to Brett Favre type of turnovers. He also doesn't consistently throw dirtballs on slant routes like Donovan McNabb and they are both future HOFers

 

Joe Flacco gets it done in the playoffs or when need be just like Troy Aikmen.

 

 

 

Joe is fine.  

[Bltravens]

He has made a couple of bad throws....but it's not even close to Brett Favre type of turnovers. He also doesn't consistently throw dirtballs on slant routes like Donovan McNabb and they are both future HOFers

 

Joe Flacco gets it done in the playoffs or when need be just like Troy Aikmen.

 

 

 

Joe is fine.  

This is all that really needs to be said.  When the weather gets cold and the chips are down Flacco is as clutch as any QB I've seen.  Think of all those playoff losses and the only one I can really lay at his feet is the Colts one in 2010...that was a bad game lol.  The rest he was either hitting guys in the numbers on a final drive and it being dropped, or guys dropping TDs, whatever you want to say.

Flacco shows up in the post season.  I could give a giant s### what he does in the regular season so long as we get to the playoffs because I know he rises to the occasion.

[blitzking33]

There have been two easy TD passes dropped (one was a rookie mistake, so there's that) and one that was bobbled then caught out of bounds.

 

Although the numbers don't show it, Flacco was 7/8 on 3rd down during the second half last game which helped the Ravens win the TOP battle and put points on the board.

3 if you count Dallas Clark's @ DEN

[jimmypowder]

He has made a couple of bad throws....but it's not even close to Brett Favre type of turnovers. He also doesn't consistently throw dirtballs on slant routes like Donovan McNabb and they are both future HOFers

 

Joe Flacco gets it done in the playoffs or when need be just like Troy Aikmen.

 

 

 

Joe is fine.  

I have only seen two throws that come to mind. Joe's second pick in the Denver game and the throw to Torrey in the Cleveland

game that was too high.

 

I think Joe has played well.

 

The first pick in the Denver game was an incredible diving catch that that player won't replicate again this season against any QB.

[StingerNLG]

I thought this was a joke thread for a minute, but a couple people in here are really serious.    I guess I'm watching a different team.   

 

And there is a reason Dallas Clark has more drops than Ed Dickson.   Flacco is not targeting Dickson anymore.  Clark got knocked out against the Browns and STILL had one more catch than Dickson.

 

There is no universe right now where Joe Flacco is the problem with the offense and isn't playing up to his capabilities.

[T3hRaven]

one of the top paid quarterbacks in the game???

 

I've been tolerant of his weak numbers thus far but it's about to change soon.

 

If he's able to bring along some young recievers like Brown or others it will go a long way , the way he is paid (AAV)  he needs to do that. 

 

  His payday while not handicapping the ravens this season will in future years if lackluster numbers are the order of the day.

 

 

Hopefully this is the week Flacco reminds the fanbase why he's paid like one of the great quarterbacks..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

 

That felt like the right post to bring that one to RT.

[Ravenslifer]

Oh what fantasy football does to people, the world where Dan Fouts is considered better than Joe Montana because Fouts has 3 4000 yard seasons and Montana none.  People just look at stat lines and don't watch the games anymore.

[AsianRice]

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