Ravens Grades Against the Browns

[Tank 92]

Based on on what you stated, we could of said Brandon Weeden had A game because his passing yards were about same as Joe's. Minus the TD and his team lost. But we could also note he was sacked and pressured many more times than Flacco..

 

 

Did you even read what I said?  Joe's Team won.

[PolishRifle]

Joe played good. Not outstanding, just good. Someone said he should get A + . 211 yds & 1TD is not desrving A +, Dropped passes or not. 400 plus yards & 4TDs that would be A +. Its time to start comparing Joe to elite QB's in this league. Not to look at him as an upgrade from Trent Dilfer and Kyle Boller days.

 

I agree to certain degree with this. Joe deserves a B+. He had two good games in row (no more inconsistency), even if he was a bit sharper in the game against Denver, imho. Bonus points for playing during the birth of his child, though, which is why I would bump his grade up a bit.

 

However Flaccos performance this season does actually compare favorably to so-called elite QBs. The Ravens and Patriots are tied in drops and Joe still has a higher completion percentage and passed for more yards than Tom Brady. Brady has thrown 1 INT less, but also only managed to score 2 TDs just like Joe.

 

I think, the offense is starting to gain traction however. Brown and Flacco are improving their chemistry together fast, I can't say the same for Clark and Stokely, since both only had 1 good game each, but we seem to have atleast gained one more viable target next to Torrey. The more they improve, the better Joe's numbers will become. I'm looking forward to that.

[gabefergy]

Offense:

QB: B+ Flacco was very goog for most of the game including conversion of multiple third and long situations in the 2nd half to keep drives alive. If not for 2 dropped TD passes his stats would be exceptional. However he did lock onto his favorite received at times and missed an open guy that would have gone for big gains.

RB: C Rice was largely ineffective and fumbled while Pierce had a few nice plays and scored a TD. Blocking wasn't the greatest but there were some yards left on the field as well.

WR: B Smith was used in a variety of ways and showed that he is much more than a one trick pony. Brown once again struggled to bear 1v1 coverage outside the numbers but is very effective across the middle where he can use his size. Stokley made some nice 3rd down conversions and was open on a few other occasions as well.

TE: C- Clark was used mostly on passing downs and had one catch although he was open down field on a few plays. Dickson dropped the first play of the game and was not used much in the passing game. Bajema had a nice catch on PA bootleg. The blocking was average at best.

OL: C pass blocking was decent although there were miscues across the line at times. Run blocking was similarly inconsistent. McKinnie especially looked poor in run blocking, he is not suited for a ZBS.

Defense:

DL: B+ Stout against the run but less effective at getting interior pressure this week. Ngata and Jones in particular stood out in run defense. Nice depth with Cody and Spears playing meaningful snaps.

OLB: A+ Suggs and Dumervil consistently brought pressure off the edge and were dominant against the run. Upshaw and McPhee also played very well, especially against the run.

ILB: A Bynes had a very nice game in run defense and Smith and Brown were effective in blitzes.

CB: B+ Jimmy had a very good day in coverage while Webb struggled a little bit in this area. Webb was excellent in run support though and made a TD saving tackle on Cle first play.

S: B- Ihedigbo played a very nice game both in run support and coverage. He is deserving of a starting nod. Elam struggled a bit in his first start. Very slow in diagnosing the first Cle play almost resulted in a TD. Another blown coverage late could have resulted in a TD but the throw was missed. He doesn't look quite up to speed at thus juncture.

[Sizzlebshu]

Maybe that criteria is applicable in fantasy, but not in the real world. Leading your Team to a win when most around you are not playing well is outstanding and that can't be seen looking at stats.

They are one in the same. Fantasy stats (while everyone loves to knock them) do demonstrate a level of control and impression on the game. 

 

A passer who throws for 300 yards and multiple TD's demonstrates a tremendous degree of influence and control on the game. 

 

In a similar fashion, a game manager like Alex Smith also demonstrates a tremendous degree of control on the game (although not through fantasy stats but time of possession and sustaining drives)

 

Joe did not make his mark in any one area of the game. 

[gabefergy]

They are one in the same. Fantasy stats (while everyone loves to knock them) do demonstrate a level of control and impression on the game.

A passer who throws for 300 yards and multiple TD's demonstrates a tremendous degree of influence and control on the game.

In a similar fashion, a game manager like Alex Smith also demonstrates a tremendous degree of control on the game (although not through fantasy stats but time of possession and sustaining drives)

Joe did not make his mark in any one area of the game.

How about 3rd down efficiency. That's probably the most important factor and he excelled, especially in the second half in 3rd and long situations. 10-12 in the second half with a TD. Money.

[Sizzlebshu]

How about 3rd down efficiency. That's probably the most important factor and he excelled, especially in the second half in 3rd and long situations. 10-12 in the second half with a TD. Money.

Depends how was he in the first half. Just cause he makes the play in the second half doesn't negate what didn't happen in the first half (Tebow - classic example of this). Note im not comparing Flacco to Tebow. I am merely illustrating the point that winning a game or playing well at the end of the game doesn't equivalate to the QB putting up a dominant performance but rather that performance should be attributed to someone else (In Tebow's case his defense most of the time and other team's mistakes or deficiencies)  

 

From what I saw 8/16 on 3rd down. Still good, but not 10/12. Note I do not know exactly how many of these were through the arms of Flacco or through rushing. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013091501/2013/REG2/browns@ravens#tab=analyze&menu=highlights

 

Even still though, the above didn't translate into a dominant performance if we look at time of possession which was almost dead even. If Flacco was converting 3rd downs consistently, drives should have been extended resulting in extended time of possesion preventing Cleveland's offense from putting up points. Given the T.O.P. though, we can see that this wasn't the case and that 

 

1. A defense playing out of its mind (at a high level however you want to say it) 

2. Cleveland being absurdly ineffective on offense. 

 

were the causes. 

 

Now thats not all on Flacco, but still. 

[gabefergy]

Depends how was he in the first half. Just cause he makes the play in the second half doesn't negate what didn't happen in the first half (Tebow - classic example of this). Note im not comparing Flacco to Tebow. I am merely illustrating the point that winning a game or playing well at the end of the game doesn't equivalate to the QB putting up a dominant performance but rather that performance should be attributed to someone else (In Tebow's case his defense most of the time and other team's mistakes or deficiencies)

From what I saw 8/16 on 3rd down. Still good, but not 10/12. Note I do not know exactly how many of these were through the arms of Flacco or through rushing.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013091501/2013/REG2/browns@ravens#tab=analyze&menu=highlights

Even still though, the above didn't translate into a dominant performance if we look at time of possession which was almost dead even. If Flacco was converting 3rd downs consistently, drives should have been extended resulting in extended time of possesion preventing Cleveland's offense from putting up points. Given the T.O.P. though, we can see that this wasn't the case and that

1. A defense playing out of its mind (at a high level however you want to say it)
2. Cleveland being absurdly ineffective on offense.

were the causes.

Now thats not all on Flacco, but still.

He didn't play poorly on the first half at all. If you watch the tape you will see this.

Sorry,10/12 was Flacco overall attempts in the 2nd half. On 3rd downs he was 5/7 all 3rd and long. One was 21 yards so that is not really expected to be converted and the other was a completed pass that came up just short. In total Flacco was near perfect in the second half. In the first half he played well, but drops hurt him. Still 8/16 on 3rd downs is very efficient for an entire game.

Overall, Flacco played a great game. It wasn't perfect, but Cle does have a very good defense. He missed a couple throws and went to the wrong receiver at times. However, that doesn't take away from what he was able to accomplish.

[Tank 92]

They are one in the same. Fantasy stats (while everyone loves to knock them) do demonstrate a level of control and impression on the game. 
 
A passer who throws for 300 yards and multiple TD's demonstrates a tremendous degree of influence and control on the game. 
 
In a similar fashion, a game manager like Alex Smith also demonstrates a tremendous degree of control on the game (although not through fantasy stats but time of possession and sustaining drives)
 
Joe did not make his mark in any one area of the game.

  

Your logic makes no sense.  The ultimate stat line has next to nothing to do with how a QB actually played.  I'm not saying Flacco deserved an A+, but you can't just say "211 yds & 1TD is not desrving A +".  The quarterback is not the only person responsible for those stats.