Defense needs to create turnovers...

[T3hRaven]

Seriously? Whining about turnovers after the defense didn't allow a touchdown? C'mon man!

[Grendelwulf21]

I always love reading your posts callahan09, I do find it a bit odd that we didn't, there was some close ones though.. hopefully Webby can get some, I always see him running around

[busterblue52]

Darly Smith 2 straight games dropped interceptions. He reminded me of Ray in the colts game dropping it with his cast lol.

[SecretAgentMan]

STOP IT!

Are you seriously blaming the DEFENSE now?

Joe Flacco got PAID. You all claimed him to be THE MAN. He couldn't even put up more than 14 on the Browns... in the home opener... on an extended rest week... immediately after being embarassed in the season opener.

When are we going to stop blaming everyone BUT Flacco?

The defense was shutting down Peyton Manning.... until Flacco went and threw that first interception in Week 1. Once that happened... it all went downhill.

If there's anything I can insult the defense on... it's letting the ONLY receiving threat on the Browns to be wide open. Leave anyone open but their tight end, and you're fine. But they managed to leave him wide open a couple times. Other than that... good work. Can't wait to see just how nasty this pass rush gets.

And since the offense can't sustain a drive and rarely shows confidence or composure in the red zone... we'll get to see plenty of the defense on the field.

Don't feed this one. The troll is strong in him

[The Raven]

Seriously? Whining about turnovers after the defense didn't allow a touchdown? C'mon man!

 

I know right? The defense just carried the team on its back against Cleveland. They're fine.

[Tank 92]

I find it interesting that people are so hostile at my pointing out these statistics.  It was just numbers, folks.  Nobody thinks it's interesting that this is the second season in franchise history with no takeaways in the first 2 games?  Nobody thinks it's interesting that if we don't get any next week, it will be the first time that's happened in franchise history?  People don't want to see us capitalizing on opportunities and punishing opposing offenses?  I don't understand why I'm getting all these negative votes for this topic.  For me, the numbers are fascinating and it was worth sharing.

 

When we get up against better competition, it will be much more important to not only create TOs, but also to protect the ball. You can sometimes survive a negative TO ratio against weaker teams, but winning the turnover battle is imperative against the best.

 

Keep up the great posts!  

[GrimCoconut]

Seriously? Whining about turnovers after the defense didn't allow a touchdown? C'mon man!

Okay. Just read through the entire topic again to make sure but let me clarify here: please give me an example of where someone was whining about no turnovers. I never read any whining regarding our lack of turnovers here. I just read statements where people expressed surprise due to our lack of turnovers. I've read comments that state there's no reason to be concerned yet. In fact, the opening post doesn't say anything about this in a whining manner. All I've read so far is rather positive regardless of our lack of turnovers. So, please show me where you feel people are whining.

[GrimCoconut]

I know right? The defense just carried the team on its back against Cleveland. They're fine.

Yes, the defense played awesome against Cleveland. They had opportunities at taking away the ball and didn't. So what? Nobody is calling for anyone's job here. Not that I've seen. Let's not forget the meltdown against Denver. That defense wasn't good.

I'm as positive as any guy on this forum and I'll defend the team a lot. With that said, a topic discussing how we're uncharacteristically devoid of turnovers at this moment isn't off base. I mean, if we said let's not judge the defense off of one game after the Denver debacle how can you make a statement like we just shut out the Browns? That's also just one game. The fact is, through two regular season games we've acquired no turnovers and have had them generated against us. That is a legit area for discussion.

[jdynamite]

Our d has given each other quite a few opportunities for INTs, unfortunately they look like Ed Dickson when it comes to holding onto the pass.
Given how good the pass rush is, I feel safe saying it is a fluke and the turnovers will come

Lol yeah D.Smith did look like Dickson trying to catch that.

[jdynamite]

I'm surprised the defense hasn't at least got a strip sack yet.

[jdynamite]

Since this is only Defense thread I see , and I don't want to create another one.

Does anyone have a snap count on pernell McPhee, I saw him on the edge a few times but he didn't get much penetration. I didn't understand the move to LB, but I'm hoping he can get some sacks in limited snaps.

His rookie year I liked it more when lined up inside over a guard

[The Raven]

Since this is only Defense thread I see , and I don't want to create another one.

Does anyone have a snap count on pernell McPhee, I saw him on the edge a few times but he didn't get much penetration. I didn't understand the move to LB, but I'm hoping he can get some sacks in limited snaps.

His rookie year I liked it more when lined up inside over a guard

 

He lined up a good bit at the 3 tech spot. We had one package we ran a bit with Doom, McPhee, Jones, and Suggs. We were most effective with that group up front.

[PoeDinkum]

I for one do like it when members point to stats that get us opining about our team. While the D came through yesterday, I am not accustomed to seeing us not wreaking havoc to create turnovers. Hopefully this comes as they continue to gain confidence and sharpen the edge to play intimidating football. By the way, in 2002 we finished 7-9.

[Malkavian Raven]

The pressure is there, the turnovers will come.  We had a chance for a couple against the Browns, but just couldn't capitalize.  We're still developing on defense, still capable of being a Top-5.  We'll be fine.

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

 

I'm surprised the defense hasn't at least got a strip sack yet.

Terrell Suggs hasn't seen Ben Roethlisberger yet.

[ROH522155]

Small sample size, small sample size, small sample size.

[Dewy101]

Im a little surprised that Canty hasnt tipped many balls that can surely help us in the turnover area. I honestly dont know what to say about turnovers. Luck has a lot to do with them. You just have to catch players off guard and the fact that teams are playing against the defending Super Bowl champs doesnt help.

[RobFuseRaven]

I don't think they really have to get a lot of turnovers. Remember the Bears last year got a lot of turnovers? Yeah. I mean, I would love if they did, but it isn't necessary. It would help if they wanna stop getting ugly wins, so I definitely hope they get at least some. I attribute it to new guys working with each other. Give them some more times and I think this defense could be a turnover machine. I love the way they are playing already.

[TimeEdReed]

From my understanding, turnovers as a defensive metric are actually statistically proven to be luck/chance based. You can't actually create them. You can work to provide situations where your D puts itself in position to have it happen or cause it, or for your O to avoid allowing them, but the actual takeaway is total luck and not replicable. There's too many random factors such as simply how the ball bounces after a fumble, what direction it goes after bouncing off a hand or body, and which way its facing or moving when a player tries to recover it.

 

Its great to say we need to "create turnovers", but every team in the league is trying to do that every play. Its not so simple to create them just like you would say "we need to tackle better" or "coverage was bad". Its one of those luck based things in the game that can make it so frustrating at times.

[jdynamite]

From my understanding, turnovers as a defensive metric are actually statistically proven to be luck/chance based. You can't actually create them. You can work to provide situations where your D puts itself in position to have it happen or cause it, or for your O to avoid allowing them, but the actual takeaway is total luck and not replicable. There's too many random factors such as simply how the ball bounces after a fumble, what direction it goes after bouncing off a hand or body, and which way its facing or moving when a player tries to recover it.

Its great to say we need to "create turnovers", but every team in the league is trying to do that every play. Its not so simple to create them just like you would say "we need to tackle better" or "coverage was bad". Its one of those luck based things in the game that can make it so frustrating at times.

The Tillman punch... Creates

I can't remember what game I was watching but DB from another team did that punch perfectly to someone.

[TimeEdReed]

An individual player's ability to create turnovers can be above average (hello Ed Reed) but as a team defense it washes out statistically to luck.

[scrock]

as long as out front 7 can continue to get pressure on the QB the turnovers will come....this unit is still gaining chemistry together and the best is yet to come i believe

[callahan09]

D. Smith with an INT just now against the Texans.  That's why we need to create turnovers on defense!  Changes the tone of a game completely.  And with that, we avoid starting the season with no defensive forced turnovers in the first 3 games (would have been first time in franchise history).

[berad]

To be re-opened after the game

[cursona pirate]

Daryl Smith says hello!

[SeaHawk]

Daryl Smith is a beast. When you see how good he is, you immediately start asking why he never made the pro bowl with the Jags. And then you rethink the sentence, and see that he played for the Jags, and voila! You have your answer. He was the NFL's best kept secret, and now that we have him, he's looking like the all star that he has always been, and getting noticed for it. Also, we have had many opportunities for more turnovers, but have not capitalized. That may not be a good sign for us right now, but it does mean potential for a whole lot more turnovers in games to come.

[beanfigger]

I think we need to have serious discussions with Smith's agent over the bye week to see if we can work out an extension.  Art Jones, too, while we're at it.  I doubt we get anything done, but it couldn't hurt to get things started so we know where we have to get to in a compromise.

[The Raven]

I think we need to have serious discussions with Smith's agent over the bye week to see if we can work out an extension.  Art Jones, too, while we're at it.  I doubt we get anything done, but it couldn't hurt to get things started so we know where we have to get to in a compromise.

 

Yes! Both of these guys need extensions.

[ravens533]

It is nice that we got our wish. Daryl Smith's interception was a thing of beauty. Get some next week too. :229031_cheer:

[flaccopoe]

People in the secondary should practice with the receiving corps once in a while!  There were several should-be INTs.  I'm not too concerned, though.  BAL's D hasn't given up a TD since Week 1!