Do You Miss Dragonfly Now?

[Tank 92]

What he brought last year is definitely missed now.  Maybe it was just hopeful thinking on my part, but in his short time on O last week he looked like he had a fire not previously seen. I think that he had embraced the challenge to step up his game and was ready to produce. I hope it is still there when he returns.

[Tank 92]

Well, it's the bye and all of the present issues have been pretty much beat to death. So, I thought I would give this topic a bump to get a read on what folks think will be the impact of Dragonfly's return moving forward.

 

 

[rmw10]

Well, it's the bye and all of the present issues have been pretty much beat to death. So, I thought I would give this topic a bump to get a read on what folks think will be the impact of Dragonfly's return moving forward.

 

It honestly seems like they're going to ride out the year with Brown and Doss ahead of Jacoby.  That's been the trend in recent weeks.  I don't know if that's because of his injury or that both of those guys are playing exceptionally well.

[gabefergy]

Jacoby will see his fair share of snaps on offense. He definitely brings a speed element that helps the offense. However his poor technique when catching is an issue. I know in the Pittsburgh game if he attacks that ball Joe under throws instead of letting it into his body at the very least the PI has to be called.

[jimjim5]

J Jones was missed. He is a better receiver this year. He's not going up to snag balls at there highest point or attack the ball, but the passes that are in other parts of his catch radius - it looks like he catches much better.

[GrimCoconut]

Jacoby will see his fair share of snaps on offense. He definitely brings a speed element that helps the offense. However his poor technique when catching is an issue. I know in the Pittsburgh game if he attacks that ball Joe under throws instead of letting it into his body at the very least the PI has to be called.

He's a homerun threat but his catching leaves much to be desired and your highlighted moment is exactly why. If he attacked the ball he would've made Joe look good.

[Purple Punishment]

He's a homerun threat but his catching leaves much to be desired and your highlighted moment is exactly why. If he attacked the ball he would've made Joe look good.

 

 

I can think of that throw, the Denver playoff game, and the Super Bowl where Joe has under thrown Jacoby. If he catches Jacoby in stride they would be easy 6s instead Jacoby in your words Grim, has made Joe look great by stopping on the dime in his route and turning 2 of those three under throws into 6 with defenders surrounding him

[Tank 92]

Joe did throw the ball short on the play you guys are talking about and Jacoby would have had to come through the defender that had his arms in chest. I guess there was a chance for a Boldenesque type catch. But the guy was all over him and not looking back for the ball. Looked like blatant PI to me.

[The Raven]

Honestly, I can't say we missed him terribly. His returns could have helped, for sure, but I don't think we missed a beat, offensively. Well, we missed a beat, but it wasn't because of his absence. His value on STs could have made a difference, but I'm not sure how much, with how the blocking has been. Also, we only really missed him on kick returns. Tandon was more than adequate as a punt returner and I'd like to see him continue that duty.

[GrimCoconut]

I can think of that throw, the Denver playoff game, and the Super Bowl where Joe has under thrown Jacoby. If he catches Jacoby in stride they would be easy 6s instead Jacoby in your words Grim, has made Joe look great by stopping on the dime in his route and turning 2 of those three under throws into 6 with defenders surrounding him

Uh what? I remember some of them. Without going back and watching them they looked like well thrown balls to me. Jones obviously helped and had a big role in them but I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying here.

[Ravensfan23]

Jacoby will see his fair share of snaps on offense. He definitely brings a speed element that helps the offense. However his poor technique when catching is an issue. I know in the Pittsburgh game if he attacks that ball Joe under throws instead of letting it into his body at the very least the PI has to be called.

 

That's the exact same comment Joe made on the sideline. That was clearly a throw Joe wanted back, but you also like to see your play makers do just that.....make plays.

[gabefergy]

I can think of that throw, the Denver playoff game, and the Super Bowl where Joe has under thrown Jacoby. If he catches Jacoby in stride they would be easy 6s instead Jacoby in your words Grim, has made Joe look great by stopping on the dime in his route and turning 2 of those three under throws into 6 with defenders surrounding him

Perhaps they were slightly underthrown, but the fact that Joe was even able to get the ball to him in each case was fairly remarkable. He was under massive pressure in both situations and was throwing while avoiding said pressure. Jones did a great job of beating his defender and scoring the TD in each case, but he didn't make Joe look good by any stretch.

[1/28/01]

Uh what? I remember some of them. Without going back and watching them they looked like well thrown balls to me. Jones obviously helped and had a big role in them but I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying here.

They were all underthrown. Jacoby had to slow down against Denver, slow down on the long TD at the SB and slow down last week against Pitt. Not to say the first two werent good throws, because they were given the circumstances. Last weeks was a poor throw, however.

[The Raven]

They were all underthrown. Jacoby had to slow down against Denver, slow down on the long TD at the SB and slow down last week against Pitt. Not to say the first two werent good throws, because they were given the circumstances. Last weeks was a poor throw, however.

 

Seemingly so, but you have to take the wind into account. Numerous analysts and reporters talked about how windy it was.

[Purple Punishment]

Perhaps they were slightly underthrown, but the fact that Joe was even able to get the ball to him in each case was fairly remarkable. He was under massive pressure in both situations and was throwing while avoiding said pressure. Jones did a great job of beating his defender and scoring the TD in each case, but he didn't make Joe look good by any stretch.

 

Without stopping or slowing down at all, those TDs against Denver and SF would not have happened. JJ should have caught his TD pass in the SB in the end zone but he caught it at the 10. Im not putting Joe down here but you can't knock Jacoby for every under thrown ball that comes his way.

[1/28/01]

Seemingly so, but you have to take the wind into account. Numerous analysts and reporters talked about how windy it was.

Then err on the deeper side then when throwing to a speedster. I cant stand seeing the underthrows to our speedy wideouts as often as they are happening.

[The Raven]

Then err on the deeper side then when throwing to a speedster. I cant stand seeing the underthrows to our speedy wideouts as often as they are happening.

 

Fair point, can't disagree completely. However, if you throw it short, there's a greater chance of the receiver coming back to make a play on it. If you overthrow, there's no chance. In this situation, I think Joe put the ball where Jacoby could have made a play on it, but he could have still thrown it farther.

[Purple Punishment]

Seemingly so, but you have to take the wind into account. Numerous analysts and reporters talked about how windy it was.

 

The wind doesn't take Rodgers bombs....Peytons darts.... and last week, Tuckers kicks looked fine to me

[The Raven]

The wind doesn't take Rodgers bombs....Peytons darts.... and last week, Tuckers kicks looked fine to me

 

I don't think the reporters would have commented on the wind if it was just normal wind. Wilson, Zrebiac, Luke Jones, and I think even Preston commented on it. On a 50 yard throw, the wind will have effect. This wasn't your everyday wind, as stupid as that sounds.

 

And yeah, the wind doesn't affects Peyton's darts? Give me a break. Sorry, he rarely ever throws the ball more than 20 yards. His deep bomb is garbage.

[Purple Punishment]

I don't think the reporters would have commented on the wind if it was just normal wind. Wilson, Zrebiac, Luke Jones, and I think even Preston commented on it. On a 50 yard throw, the wind will have effect. This wasn't your everyday wind, as stupid as that sounds.

 

And yeah, the wind doesn't affects Peyton's darts? Give me a break. Sorry, he rarely ever throws the ball more than 20 yards. His deep bomb is garbage.

 

I said Rodgers BOMBS and Peytons darts...not bombs

[The Raven]

I said Rodgers BOMBS and Peytons darts...not bombs

 

What darts get taken by the wind, regardless? I rarely see a pass under 20 yards get taken by the wind. That's gotta be some crazy, badass wind right there.

[gabefergy]

Without stopping or slowing down at all, those TDs against Denver and SF would not have happened. JJ should have caught his TD pass in the SB in the end zone but he caught it at the 10. Im not putting Joe down here but you can't knock Jacoby for every under thrown ball that comes his way.

I never knocked him for every underthrown ball, I knocked him for one play this past week. He should have made a play on the ball and didn't. Joe should have thrown a better ball, but Jacoby should have gone up and gotten it. 

[Purple Punishment]

I never knocked him for every underthrown ball, I knocked him for one play this past week. He should have made a play on the ball and didn't. Joe should have thrown a better ball, but Jacoby should have gone up and gotten it. 

 

I can agree with that, though Joe is being expected to be able to make those throws with the status that his contract brings him. 

[Ravensfan23]

I can agree with that, though Joe is being expected to be able to make those throws with the status that his contract brings him. 

 

When will everyone get off the contract thing. Joe isn't expected to make every throw just because he's getting paid 120M. No QB makes every throw. I know what you are saying and I agree, we all expect Joe to make that throw and throws just like it, but it's not because of his contract status. It's because he's fully capable of making those plays his contract has nothing to do with it. It kinda gets annoying to see his contract attached to every negative play or moment.

 

As for JJ making a play on that ball, we see it all the time with other play makers for better QBs. Gronk, Graham, Colston, Welker, Nelson and others have made some really great plays on a consistent basis to help those other QBs throughout the course of various games. JJ and others are capable of the same and I think he makes that play more often then not.

[Purple Punishment]

When will everyone get off the contract thing. Joe isn't expected to make every throw just because he's getting paid 120M. No QB makes every throw. I know what you are saying and I agree, we all expect Joe to make that throw and throws just like it, but it's not because of his contract status. It's because he's fully capable of making those plays his contract has nothing to do with it. It kinda gets annoying to see his contract attached to every negative play or moment.

 

As for JJ making a play on that ball, we see it all the time with other play makers for better QBs. Gronk, Graham, Colston, Welker, Nelson and others have made some really great plays on a consistent basis to help those other QBs throughout the course of various games. JJ and others are capable of the same and I think he makes that play more often then not.

 

Neg me for that? Cool. 

 

Im just saying, if you are an elite QB, you need to be able to do a good job of throwing that deep ball. You need to call audibles. You need to own your offense. I literally feel like Joe is playing with his hands cuffed together as if Cam Camerons ghost were on the sidelines. He says he's elite. He needs to prove it and become better at the deep ball. You can argue he has a good deep ball and makes completions, but under throwing and overthrowing have been slight problems for Joe since he entered the league. Don't get me wrong, he has made a lot of great throws. He needs to be that fire our offense is lacking.

 

(Going Off Topic Slightly)

 

We lack fire and determination and sometimes I wonder if our offense is just showing up and going through the motions because everything is so slow and sluggish. We had a freaking delay of game after a time out. There is a problem somewhere on our O and Joe Flacco, being the leader of the offense as he deems himself, needs to fix it.

[arnie_uk]

Neg me for that? Cool. 
 
Im just saying, if you are an elite QB, you need to be able to do a good job of throwing that deep ball. You need to call audibles. You need to own your offense. I literally feel like Joe is playing with his hands cuffed together as if Cam Camerons ghost were on the sidelines. He says he's elite. He needs to prove it and become better at the deep ball. You can argue he has a good deep ball and makes completions, but under throwing and overthrowing have been slight problems for Joe since he entered the league. Don't get me wrong, he has made a lot of great throws. He needs to be that fire our offense is lacking.
 
(Going Off Topic Slightly)
 
We lack fire and determination and sometimes I wonder if our offense is just showing up and going through the motions because everything is so slow and sluggish. We had a freaking delay of game after a time out. There is a problem somewhere on our O and Joe Flacco, being the leader of the offense as he deems himself, needs to fix it.

how can he fix it if the coaches handcuff bum and don't allow him to?

[Ravensfanspls]

Joe Flacco has the best deep ball in the NFL. But if you cant get your hips square and or push off your back foot on such a long pass it is impossible to hit it perfect. That being said considering the Denver game where he threw that pass on the run that was a great throw most QB's cant make that throw in that situation.. I don't know how you can question Joe Flacco's deep ball. And as people have stated you cant make every throw perfect just isn't realistic.

[Tank 92]

I never knocked him for every underthrown ball, I knocked him for one play this past week. He should have made a play on the ball and didn't. Joe should have thrown a better ball, but Jacoby should have gone up and gotten it. 

 

 

I think if you go back and look at this play you will see that he was trying to come back to make a play on the ball. The defender had his arms in his chest and was all over him when the ball arrived. He also never turned his head to look for the ball. It was PI.

[TSizzle00]

he was the playoff mvp and the most consistant player we have had in wr since mason. he deserved every penny. i dont know if ngata has earned his contract.geno atkins has been better then ngata and asked for less. suggs and ngata may need to go as joes contract in the 3rdyear is disgusting. 

 

Joe Flacco was Playoff MVP

[Tank 92]

JJ may still not be the most skilled receiver, but I think he has made strides towards becoming better. I also think if he had not gone down our passing game would be a lot farther along than it is at this point. Just having his speed on the field along with Torrey stretches the D and opens up the middle. I'm excited to see what Joe will do moving forward with what should now be a full complement of receivers.