Troll free state of the Ravens discussion

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just wanted to start a thread for all topic discussion where all true fans agree to ignore the constant trolling that have been plaguing these forums lately.

Both positive and negative talk is welcome so long as its rational and backed with legitimate fact or at lease based in reality.

All trolling is to be ignored, other than to neg as much as possible, and we agree not to quote or reply to such posts.

I apologize ahead of time to mods if this isn't worthy of its own topic or is in the wrong place.

[CalvinSmoke]

I think we are in a very comfortable rebuilding phase

[hawkprey]

We got taken advantage of by the super up-tempo. It was the Broncos' offensive dress-rehearsal. I'm not worried about what I saw based on week 1 except for the constant dropped passes. But I think that'll be better going forward.

[Bltravens]

I think we're fine.  Defensively by mid season we should be seeing a defense similar to the 2011 one.  Suffocating at times, turnovers, but can also get shredded by spread offenses because our scheme dictates playing our corners 8 yards off the LOS.

Offensively I understand what we had to do with Boldin, just I don't know if theres a team in the league that has failed its QB as much as Baltimore has in giving the franchise QB weapons to throw to.  I don't know if its the scheme we run offensively or what, but it seems like every other team has at least 2 targets to throw to not including the TE.  We scrape with 2 actual real targets in Pitta and Smith and when one gets hurt we're just flat out screwed.  It hurts to watch.

[Ravenslifer]

I'm worried about the TE position.  Other than that I think we're fine.

[SecretAgentMan]

I'm worried about the TE position.  Other than that I think we're fine

Secondary players not named Webb and Jimmy Smith on a good day

[The Raven]

Other than TE and FS, we're good to go. Both of those positions still may be sorted out through time.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think we are in a very comfortable rebuilding phase

I agree. And I don't think that bc were technically "rebuilding" shows weakness in our front office. In fact I think it exemplifies their brilliance.

I'm pretty confident our rebuilding period will last about 8 weeks and we'll be our best come playoff time.

And I think that's the philosophy instead of having a plan to open a championship window for 2-4 years and then rebuild for a couple years, their model is to do minor rebuild every year and slowly build to contention come playoff time.

I think we'll be a playoff team again this year and as we saw last year anyone who gets into the dance can get the girl

[BMORElegacy]

Secondary players not named Webb and Jimmy Smith on a good day

I'm concerned about our depth in the secondary... I feel like we're too shallow at corner and way too deep at safety. 

[BMORElegacy]

I agree. And I don't think that bc were technically "rebuilding" shows weakness in our front office. In fact I think it exemplifies their brilliance.

I'm pretty confident our rebuilding period will last about 8 weeks and we'll be our best come playoff time.

And I think that's the philosophy instead of having a plan to open a championship window for 2-4 years and then rebuild for a couple years, their model is to do minor rebuild every year and slowly build to contention come playoff time.

I think we'll be a playoff team again this year and as we saw last year anyone who gets into the dance can get the girl

That is the beauty about it. Other teams require years to 'rebuild.' Our team could be back up and running by the end of October and if all goes well we will still be in playoff contention. 

[Ravenslifer]

I'm concerned about our depth in the secondary... I feel like we're too shallow at corner and way too deep at safety. 

 

Yeah I'm somewhat worried about the depth there too, especially since they seem bitten by the injury bug a lot, but the actual players I'm not - it was the first time they've ever played together, and people seem to forget they played someone who has a legitimate case for being the greatest quarterback of all time.  He's made far better secondaries than our current one look terrible.

[GrimCoconut]

I think we were killed in our rotation because we couldn't get off the field to even substitute. We substitute a lot and the Broncos really stopped that. I feel that's a big reason why our defense struggled.

I'm worried about the OL. It really struggled at times but I'm willing to let it play out for us. It's too early but KO needs to stop being cute and take that pro bowl or bust challenge seriously.

[PuRock]

I think we're fine.  Defensively by mid season we should be seeing a defense similar to the 2011 one.  Suffocating at times, turnovers, but can also get shredded by spread offenses because our scheme dictates playing our corners 8 yards off the LOS.

Offensively I understand what we had to do with Boldin, just I don't know if theres a team in the league that has failed its QB as much as Baltimore has in giving the franchise QB weapons to throw to.  I don't know if its the scheme we run offensively or what, but it seems like every other team has at least 2 targets to throw to not including the TE.  We scrape with 2 actual real targets in Pitta and Smith and when one gets hurt we're just flat out screwed.  It hurts to watch.

 

Agree about the defense.  it'll mature like a fine wine with time to mend the communication and chemistry issue.  The talent is there.

 

As for the offense.  I agree.  Our front office has never really emphasized the receiver position like most teams.  But then again, those teams usually end up neglecting their defense and OL (see GB, Atlanta, and NO).  You sort of have to pick and choose what you want to target.  Maybe one year we can give Joe an arsenal.      

[PuRock]

That is the beauty about it. Other teams require years to 'rebuild.' Our team could be back up and running by the end of October and if all goes well we will still be in playoff contention. 

 

Exactly, we can retool on the fly.  Other teams FOs often have to blow up the team and rack up multiple years of top picks.  Whereas the Ravens picking near last, still keep this team competitive.  

 

Even if we do not make the playoffs next year,  its not the end of the world.  Our FO will get us right back to being competitive.  That's saying more than most teams.  

[K-Dog]

Tuck is still a winner.

[rmw10]

More worried about depth than anything else. TE could obviously use an upgrade, but I think we're solid everywhere else.

[Ravenslifer]

Agree about the defense.  it'll mature like a fine wine with time to mend the communication and chemistry issue.  The talent is there.

 

As for the offense.  I agree.  Our front office has never really emphasized the receiver position like most teams.  But then again, those teams usually end up neglecting their defense and OL (see GB, Atlanta, and NO).  You sort of have to pick and choose what you want to target.  Maybe one year we can give Joe and arsenal.      

 

I don't even think he needs that.  All I feel we're missing (and maybe Brown will be that guy, or Doss if we're lucky) who has sure hands and can make a catch when Joe needs it.  That's what he had his whole career here, whether it was with Todd, Q, or Dennis, there was always that guy he could just throw it to when he was in trouble and know they would come up with it 9/10 times.  Right now we have a bunch of guys who give high effort, but are also droppers.  I think that's what's hurting us the most now.  I'd love if we could pick up an elite receiving talent one day, but what I think we need is one dependable set of hands.

[PuRock]

I don't even think he needs that.  All I feel we're missing (and maybe Brown will be that guy, or Doss if we're lucky) who has sure hands and can make a catch when Joe needs it.  That's what he had his whole career here, whether it was with Todd, Q, or Dennis, there was always that guy he could just throw it to when he was in trouble and know they would come up with it 9/10 times.  Right now we have a bunch of guys who give high effort, but are also droppers.  I think that's what's hurting us the most now.  I'd love if we could pick up an elite receiving talent one day, but what I think we need is one dependable set of hands.

 

I agree we don't need it.  It would be fun, but at what cost?  The OL?  The defense?

[Bltravens]

Agree about the defense.  it'll mature like a fine wine with time to mend the communication and chemistry issue.  The talent is there.

 

As for the offense.  I agree.  Our front office has never really emphasized the receiver position like most teams.  But then again, those teams usually end up neglecting their defense and OL (see GB, Atlanta, and NO).  You sort of have to pick and choose what you want to target.  Maybe one year we can give Joe an arsenal.      

Agreed it comes at a cost and I almost feel like with how inconsistent the Oline is for the big money or high investment picks on it we could do with going cheaper and almost getting the same results.  Oline is the last thing you want to cheapen on, especially with Flacco who tends to need an extra second or so compared to the Rodgers, Mannings and Bradys of the world.  But damn.  I don't know, I've just never seen such horse crap receiver play in my whole life as I did Thursday night.

[beanfigger]

I am not too discouraged by this loss, aside from the play of the O-line.  I really hope Juan Castillo can light a fire under our guys and get our run game whipped into shape.  If you think about it, our running game has the most continuity from last season than any other aspect of our team.  Maybe we neglected to work enough on that part of our game as a result.  I'm sure it will be addressed and tuned up soon.

[ravensdan]

Agree about the defense. it'll mature like a fine wine with time to mend the communication and chemistry issue. The talent is there.

As for the offense. I agree. Our front office has never really emphasized the receiver position like most teams. But then again, those teams usually end up neglecting their defense and OL (see GB, Atlanta, and NO). You sort of have to pick and choose what you want to target. Maybe one year we can give Joe an arsenal.

This is not really true my friend. Green Bay, New Orleans, New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle, giants, none have invested top draft picks in the wide receiver position and when you add Baltimore you see a trend here....what do these teams all have in common?

[beanfigger]

This is not really true my friend. Green Bay, New Orleans, New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle, giants, none have invested top draft picks in the wide receiver position and when you add Baltimore you see a trend here....what do these teams all have in common?

 

I'm with you for the most part.  However, I think you need to remove the Giants from that list.  Nicks was a pretty high pick.

[billick]

We are very weak on offense and defense. The team has just lost 2 of the greatest players in history. They will never replace them. It will have to come from every player on the team.

 

We entered the season with one return man. For all the the emphasis on ST, how did this happen ?

 

Still, no left tackle. Talk about one injury (Pitta). This is never been a one man team. Please, Stokely and Clark are roster mistakes.  The worst play in football history was our return mans injury.  We had 3 healthy WR's, dressed 4, not enough to throw 62 times. No excuses, Harbs is paid millions, but he is not paid a dime to make excuses. We do that here.

 

Two active running backs ? Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

 

Now, the good, but not great part. Joe and Ray. We put up 27, despite the  folly. The division is not that strong, and we all play just about the same schedule. If we can go 3-3, we can still win the division. Pitt and the Browns are worse off than we are. Split with the Bengals, eke out 9 or ten wins.

 

We have a killer pass rush, that will help a great deal in every game. Three sacks vs. Denver, but poor tackling killed us.

 

I still say 10 wins, AFC North Champs, until week six. By then we will have seen three playoff teams. I lot of the yeahs and nays will be proven or discarded.

 

Too soon to tell, but this is not our best roster, closer to the bottom than the top. 

 

Roll with it.

[jaege]

Just wanted to start a thread for all topic discussion where all true fans agree to ignore the constant trolling that have been plaguing these forums lately.

Both positive and negative talk is welcome so long as its rational and backed with legitimate fact or at lease based in reality.

All trolling is to be ignored, other than to neg as much as possible, and we agree not to quote or reply to such posts.

I apologize ahead of time to mods if this isn't worthy of its own topic or is in the wrong place.

And how do we define "true fan". I looked in Websters and couldn't find a definition for that exact phrase. Are we going with the guys that spend the most money on team gear? Or maybe PSL owners? Certainly they have proven their fanhood. Folks that watch every game maybe? Cheer the loudest? Paint their bodies purple? Who makes that determination? I need to know so I am not accidentally labeled a troll.

[BMORElegacy]

Yeah I'm somewhat worried about the depth there too, especially since they seem bitten by the injury bug a lot, but the actual players I'm not - it was the first time they've ever played together, and people seem to forget they played someone who has a legitimate case for being the greatest quarterback of all time.  He's made far better secondaries than our current one look terrible.

I'm not concerned about the players either. Just the depth. And lets keep in mind that Peyton was held in somewhat check until the 3rd quarter. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

And how do we define "true fan". I looked in Websters and couldn't find a definition for that exact phrase. Are we going with the guys that spend the most money on team gear? Or maybe PSL owners? Certainly they have proven their fanhood. Folks that watch every game maybe? Cheer the loudest? Paint their bodies purple? Who makes that determination? I need to know so I am not accidentally labeled a troll.

 

A true fan can be any number of things... and maybe wasn't the best term to use bc youre right its impossible for any one person or group of people to make that determination.

 

What is NOT a true fan, is someone who has an agenda and would rather see the team not do well in order to prove they were "right," or even though you may have concerns about certain aspects of the team you still choose to hope for the best bc ultimately being a fan is about having pride in your team, in your city, in your players...

 

Those things are the team, if you're not a fan of those pieces, youre not a fan of the team... only being positive or like the team when it makes decisions you agree with makes you a fan of yourself, not the organization.

 

Fans are part of that, so constantly picking arguments with other fans just to stir the pot, instead of genuinely expressing opinion is part of that.

 

I don't think it has to be spelled out - those types of posters have been rampant lately. "The Ravens suck and have a terrible FO, and coaching and players... they've sucked forever and wont get better until everyones fired. I hate this player so they need to be gone and they will continue to be awful until what I think is correct happens... and oh if you don't agree with me well F U, even if you have a logical rebuttal youre just a homer who doesn't know anything"

 

Saying we played awful game 1 and pointing out reasons is one thing - saying the Ravens are and have been awful is just plain stupid and trolling.

[jaege]

A true fan can be any number of things... and maybe wasn't the best term to use bc youre right its impossible for any one person or group of people to make that determination.
 
What is NOT a true fan, is someone who has an agenda and would rather see the team not do well in order to prove they were "right," or even though you may have concerns about certain aspects of the team you still choose to hope for the best bc ultimately being a fan is about having pride in your team, in your city, in your players...
 
Those things are the team, if you're not a fan of those pieces, youre not a fan of the team... only being positive or like the team when it makes decisions you agree with makes you a fan of yourself, not the organization.
 
Fans are part of that, so constantly picking arguments with other fans just to stir the pot, instead of genuinely expressing opinion is part of that.
 
I don't think it has to be spelled out - those types of posters have been rampant lately. "The Ravens suck and have a terrible FO, and coaching and players... they've sucked forever and wont get better until everyones fired. I hate this player so they need to be gone and they will continue to be awful until what I think is correct happens... and oh if you don't agree with me well F U, even if you have a logical rebuttal youre just a homer who doesn't know anything"
 
Saying we played awful game 1 and pointing out reasons is one thing - saying the Ravens are and have been awful is just plain stupid and trolling.

Far better way of putting it. That I can agree to. It is fine to lament a bit after a loss, we all do it to one degree or another. I just have a peeve about people who start throwing out the term "true fan", as if they have the sole licence to make that determination. We are all fans, well most of us. There are some pot stirrers here for certain. I can understand not wanting to have to deal with those annoying trolls, although I find them amusing myself. It is always fun to laugh at their ignorance.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Far better way of putting it. That I can agree to. It is fine to lament a bit after a loss, we all do it to one degree or another. I just have a peeve about people who start throwing out the term "true fan", as if they have the sole licence to make that determination. We are all fans, well most of us. There are some pot stirrers here for certain. I can understand not wanting to have to deal with those annoying trolls, although I find them amusing myself. It is always fun to laugh at their ignorance.

 

It is fun to laugh at.

 

But it also drives me a bit nuts when all you see is positivity leading up to the game.... they lose and a bunch of people who have posted in forever or are brand new all-the-sudden are vince Lombardi re-incarnate and have all this wisdom on how the FO and team should be run... where were ya before the game with this knowledge?

 

And when we start winning they'll disappear again - and never admit how wrong they were.

 

And there are plenty of posters on here who ive had disagreements with, yet when on side is wrong it is admitted. Those are the people who truly love this team. ANd youre right, I think the majority around here are that type of person, that type of fan. I've always loved the Baltimore boards for the most part, bc its rational, intelligent conversation - whether theres agreement or not.

 

But this year its been more like the Eagles forums. Such over-reaction and drama. But I guess that's what happen after a super bowl.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

back on topic...

 

Why doesn't Clark wear gloves?

 

I understand hes always done it, but if I had a game like that id at least be open to giving it a try.

[berad]

back on topic...
 
Why doesn't Clark wear gloves?
 
I understand hes always done it, but if I had a game like that id at least be open to giving it a try.

Have to have hands to wear gloves

Da-dun :P