Opinion: List of Ravens FO/Coaching moves that have historically hurt the francise...

[Alexir]

I am glad we got a 6th round pick, Marcus Spears, Chris Canty and Elvis Dumervil for Boldin. I'll take it. I know when it is all said and done we were paying our number 3 WR Jacoby Jones almost 5 million, so yeah (even without the injury), I ll take a route runner over a speed guy. But Ozzie made the decision based off of the fact we had a healthy Dennis Pitta that would be in the Boldin Role and they liked guys like Deonte Thompson to take over slot duties.

 

 

 

Here are typical knee jerk reactions we see every year  after game 1.

 

Win: We are going to be unstoppable, finally we are an offensive team.

Lose: Front office didn't address *blah* we shouldnt of let *blah go*

 

After game 2:

 

Win: Great turn around, we looked a lot better then that week 1 nightmare.

Lose: Wow, we are terrible, week 1 was just a fluke.

 

So yeah, Harbaugh is now 5-1 in game ones. Whats his record for game 2s? We got a loss out of the way, we know what we need to work on and we should bounce back with no issue on Sunday. 

 

Keep Calm and Ball So Hard On.

[H8R]

ANQuan in one word worst mistake ever!!!!!!!! I am Ticked. Way to help your brother out coach.

one word....

[RavensFanMvp]

I am glad we got a 6th round pick, Marcus Spears, Chris Canty and Elvis Dumervil for Boldin. I'll take it. I know when it is all said and done we were paying our number 3 WR Jacoby Jones almost 5 million, so yeah (even without the injury), I ll take a route runner over a speed guy. But Ozzie made the decision based off of the fact we had a healthy Dennis Pitta that would be in the Boldin Role and they liked guys like Deonte Thompson to take over slot duties.

 

 

 

Here are typical knee jerk reactions we see every year  after game 1.

 

Win: We are going to be unstoppable, finally we are an offensive team.

Lose: Front office didn't address *blah* we shouldnt of let *blah go*

 

After game 2:

 

Win: Great turn around, we looked a lot better then that week 1 nightmare.

Lose: Wow, we are terrible, week 1 was just a fluke.

 

So yeah, Harbaugh is now 5-1 in game ones. Whats his record for game 2s? We got a loss out of the way, we know what we need to work on and we should bounce back with no issue on Sunday. 

 

Keep Calm and Ball So Hard On.

 

What difference does it make if we brought these guys in or not? Our defense will underachieve all year because of good old Ben and Jerry. Pees will put these guys in a position to fail all season long... We all will see.

But back on topic...

Letting Dilfer go after winning the superbowl comes to mind... But trading Boldin for a bag of peanuts and not signing Reed back, hands down the worse moves the FO has made. It's not too many huge mistakes Ozzie and company has made but these are the main ones that I can think of... Oh yeah, trading a 1st rounder for Boller is another one.

[Brandon22]

I will start:

 

1) Giving Kyle Boller too many years. You either have it or you don't. We really wasted some unbelievable defensive talent. A serviceable QB probably would have gotten the Ravens one more Superbowl trip.

 

2) Giving Cam Cameron too long of a leash and tenure. This man cost us BIG time with his ways.

 

3) Not letting Flacco grow early and make mistakes so he could organically grow to perfect his craft and test his limitations; evolve into a tactician, help make the offense unstoppable. He would have evolved to become the leader early on. No question. Flacco is very good to elite, but how many of you think he still has a higher level that he should and would be at right now???

 

4) Not fitting Boldin into his correct role somehow not finding a way to keep him. Watching Boldin do serious damage in SF really hurts to watch. **cry**

 

 

opinions / thoughts...

Dean Pees keeping us in a weak and no pass rushing 3-4 defense instead of asking john harbaugh could we switch to a 4-3 defense

[The Raven]

Dean Pees keeping us in a weak and no pass rushing 3-4 defense instead of asking john harbaugh could we switch to a 4-3 defense

 

That doesn't make any sense at all. 

[GrimCoconut]

I'd like to suggest we freeze the forum if we lose again like we did last week. I can't imagine what will happen around here in that scenario.

Does anyone remember back when the Cardinals looked like the ones who would win their division last year. I do.

[BirdWatcher]

I'd like to suggest we freeze the forum if we lose again like we did last week. I can't imagine what will happen around here in that scenario.

I agree. :-)

[SecretAgentMan]

I agree. :-)

I third this

[Brandon22]

That doesn't make any sense at all. 

ok my bad let me explain like you know how the cowboys made the switch to a 4-3 defense from a 3-4 look they didnt even have alot of depth yet they forced six turnovers we are the Baltimore Ravens we have alot of players with the right mentality but the wrong scheme we would excel more in a 4-3 we have the players all we need is the personnel

[RavensFanMvp]

ok my bad let me explain like you know how the cowboys made the switch to a 4-3 defense from a 3-4 look they didnt even have alot of depth yet they forced six turnovers we are the Baltimore Ravens we have alot of players with the right mentality but the wrong scheme we would excel more in a 4-3 we have the players all we need is the personnel

 

Amen brother :190048:

 

Although I think we can still excel in a 3-4 defense, it's just has to be the right system (ie, Pagano 3-4 scheme is a better fit for the Ravens than the current one).

[GrimCoconut]

I agree. :-)

Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to be a jerk or act holier than thou but some of the things I've read have led me to seriously question some people's sobriety. Elam's a bust, fire Ozzie, Harbaugh ruined the team, Boldin being discussed almost like he's Megatron, fire Dean Pees, Caldwell can't call well, Jerry Rosburg is to blame for Jacoby Jones getting hurt--I could keep going if I tried.

We're really jumping off the cliff here. I'll never fault someone for making a logical claim like Boldin having an awesome game and how we miss his production without Pitta. That's legit. Huff has some serious criticism but while even I was quick to throw him under the bus I'll understand if the coaches decide to keep trying him out there.

We're a patient organization. From Steve to Ozzie down to John. That's how we do business. It's going to irritate some people but I'm surprised that any fan of this football team would be surprised by our activity or lack thereof thus far. We're operating as we always have in years past.

If we're still struggling into week 5 I might be worried. There's a lot that goes into success in this league. It's not just skill and talent. A big part of luck is involved here and health.

People need to take themselves off of suicide watch. No need to stress out this much over football in week 1 of the regular season against a terrific QB with an awesome OL and some amazing WR who clearly took us by surprise with an awesome TE.

[Brandon22]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to be a jerk or act holier than thou but some of the things I've read have led me to seriously question some people's sobriety. Elam's a bust, fire Ozzie, Harbaugh ruined the team, Boldin being discussed almost like he's Megatron, fire Dean Pees, Caldwell can't call well, Jerry Rosburg is to blame for Jacoby Jones getting hurt--I could keep going if I tried.

We're really jumping off the cliff here. I'll never fault someone for making a logical claim like Boldin having an awesome game and how we miss his production without Pitta. That's legit. Huff has some serious criticism but while even I was quick to throw him under the bus I'll understand if the coaches decide to keep trying him out there.

We're a patient organization. From Steve to Ozzie down to John. That's how we do business. It's going to irritate some people but I'm surprised that any fan of this football team would be surprised by our activity or lack thereof thus far. We're operating as we always have in years past.

If we're still struggling into week 5 I might be worried. There's a lot that goes into success in this league. It's not just skill and talent. A big part of luck is involved here and health.

People need to take themselves off of suicide watch. No need to stress out this much over football.

Elam is a game changing safety who hasn't had the oppurtunity to shine yet John Harbaugh is just under more pressure than he could handle but I 110 percent agree with you that Jim Caldwell Dean Pees and Jerry Rosburg need to be Fired

[The Raven]

ok my bad let me explain like you know how the cowboys made the switch to a 4-3 defense from a 3-4 look they didnt even have alot of depth yet they forced six turnovers we are the Baltimore Ravens we have alot of players with the right mentality but the wrong scheme we would excel more in a 4-3 we have the players all we need is the personnel

 

We have the players but not the personnel? Dear Lord...

 

And no, the scheme is fine.

[GrimCoconut]

Elam is a game changing safety who hasn't had the oppurtunity to shine yet John Harbaugh is just under more pressure than he could handle but I 110 percent agree with you that Jim Caldwell Dean Pees and Jerry Rosburg need to be Fired

That's strange. I never called for us to fire them. Even if we did, how would we institute a new offensive and defensive philosophy this late?

[The Raven]

Elam is a game changing safety who hasn't had the oppurtunity to shine yet John Harbaugh is just under more pressure than he could handle but I 110 percent agree with you that Jim Caldwell Dean Pees and Jerry Rosburg need to be Fired

 

Wow! I just can't even with this post.

[RavensFanMvp]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to be a jerk or act holier than thou but some of the things I've read have led me to seriously question some people's sobriety. Elam's a bust, fire Ozzie, Harbaugh ruined the team, Boldin being discussed almost like he's Megatron, fire Dean Pees, Caldwell can't call well, Jerry Rosburg is to blame for Jacoby Jones getting hurt--I could keep going if I tried.

We're really jumping off the cliff here. I'll never fault someone for making a logical claim like Boldin having an awesome game and how we miss his production without Pitta. That's legit. Huff has some serious criticism but while even I was quick to throw him under the bus I'll understand if the coaches decide to keep trying him out there.

We're a patient organization. From Steve to Ozzie down to John. That's how we do business. It's going to irritate some people but I'm surprised that any fan of this football team would be surprised by our activity or lack thereof thus far. We're operating as we always have in years past.

If we're still struggling into week 5 I might be worried. There's a lot that goes into success in this league. It's not just skill and talent. A big part of luck is involved here and health.

People need to take themselves off of suicide watch. No need to stress out this much over football in week 1 of the regular season against a terrific QB with an awesome OL and some amazing WR who clearly took us by surprise with an awesome TE.

 

Guess you didn't get the memo... Boldin had 13 catches for 208 yards and a td. Couple that with his huge playoff run last season and you could argue that the Ravens traded a top 10 WR for next to nothing...

And I can't speak for anyone else, but I doubt people is "stressing out" over a football team. lol. This is a football forum and people are discussing how they feel about football. What else should we talk about cupcakes?

[Brandon22]

Elam is a game changing safety who hasn't had the oppurtunity to shine yet John Harbaugh is just under more pressure than he could handle but I 110 percent agree with you that Jim Caldwell Dean Pees and Jerry Rosburg need to be Fired

I was being sarcastic

[Ozzsome]

Elam is a game changing safety who hasn't had the oppurtunity to shine yet John Harbaugh is just under more pressure than he could handle but I 110 percent agree with you that Jim Caldwell Dean Pees and Jerry Rosburg need to be Fired

Yep, and fire Harbaugh who hired those guys. Fire Ozzie and DeCosta who made those moves. And tell someone to buy the Ravens, this Biscotti guy can't get it done...
/sarcasm off

Edit: check that I just read your post lol

But really it's one game, you guys just have to chill a bit, the defense needs to gel and the offense has to deal with injuries to key players, we'll get better trust me

[jimmypowder]

[quote name="jimjim5" post="1577025" timestamp="1378683469"] I will start: 1) Giving Kyle Boller too many years. You either have it or you don't. We really wasted some unbelievable defensive talent. A serviceable QB probably would have gotten the Ravens one more Superbowl trip. 2) Giving Cam Cameron too long of a leash and tenure. This man cost us BIG time with his ways. 3) Not letting Flacco grow early and make mistakes so he could organically grow to perfect his craft and test his limitations; evolve into a tactician, help make the offense unstoppable. He would have evolved to become the leader early on. No question. Flacco is very good to elite, but how many of you think he still has a higher level that he should and would be at right now??? 4) Not fitting Boldin into his correct role somehow not finding a way to keep him. Watching Boldin do serious damage in SF really hurts to watch. **cry** opinions / thoughts...[/quote]e I'd have to say that picking Joe Flacco,Ray Rice ,Torrey Smith ,Bernard Pierce,Marhall Yanda ,Suggs ,Ngata,Ray Lewis ,Ed Reed ,Ogden ,etc. we're all terrible moves by the Front office

[GrimCoconut]

Guess you didn't get the memo... Boldin had 13 catches for 208 yards and a td. Couple that with his huge playoff run last season and you could argue that the Ravens traded a top 10 WR for next to nothing...

And I can't speak for anyone else, but I doubt people is "stressing out" over a football team. lol. This is a football forum and people are discussing how they feel about football. What else should we talk about cupcakes?

So what he had 200+ yards? He had a terrific game and certainly had a better game than he ever had here but I feel his game was the perfect storm. Boldin saw opportunity given to him by a poor Packers secondary and he exploited it with his skill. I never took away anything from Boldin but I feel like some of us are acting like we're done because of the trade and that's simply not true.

As for your comment about discussing football and stress, some of us here seem to be stressing out over this in my eyes. Perhaps I'm wrong but I won't name names.

[SecretAgentMan]

Wow! I just can't even with this post.

I just spit out my ice tea. Thanks

[rmw10]

Have we had an insanely large influx of people that just don't understand football?  I'm used to the doom and gloom after a loss but this is going to another level.  There are a lot of new posters that are just going crazy, and I'm pretty sure that's rubbed off on some of the veteran posters as well.  It's pretty ridiculous.

[RavensFanMvp]

So what he had 200+ yards? He had a terrific game and certainly had a better game than he ever had here but I feel his game was the perfect storm. Boldin saw opportunity given to him by a poor Packers secondary and he exploited it with his skill. I never took away anything from Boldin but I feel like some of us are acting like we're done because of the trade and that's simply not true.

As for your comment about discussing football and stress, some of us here seem to be stressing out over this in my eyes. Perhaps I'm wrong but I won't name names.

 

Yeah I think the offense will be ok without Boldin as well. I just think we would have been even more explosive with him. When you have an elite QB like Joe, I'm sure the O will make enough plays to at least keep us in games.

But you have to admit, the moves we made this pass off season wasn't typical ravens moves. Normally, we keep our main players (Boldin, Reed) and get rid of the interchangeable ones (Jacoby, Pollard).

It's just weird.

[K-Dog]

I was being sarcastic

Oh thank God.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah I think the offense will be ok without Boldin as well. I just think we would have been even more explosive with him. When you have an elite QB like Joe, I'm sure the O will make enough plays to at least keep us in games.

But you have to admit, the moves we made this pass off season wasn't typical ravens moves. Normally, we keep our main players (Boldin, Reed) and get rid of the interchangeable ones (Jacoby, Pollard).

It's just weird.

None of our moves are atypical moves. In fact they are all typical Ravens moves with precedents before them. Remember Gregg, Mason, Heap.

You point to Reed and Boldin as key players. They're awesome players but between the two the only one I still even remotely question is Reed. Boldin was replaceable but his replacement was supposed to be Pitta but we know what happened to him. That's unfortunate.

The only reason I question letting Reed walk is communication. I'm not sure Ed would've done any better covering that freak TE Thomas. I do believe that he would've helped us in terms of communication much better than we had.

[RavensFanMvp]

None of our moves are atypical moves. In fact they are all typical Ravens moves with precedents before them. Remember Gregg, Mason, Heap.

You point to Reed and Boldin as key players. They're awesome players but between the two the only one I still even remotely question is Reed. Boldin was replaceable but his replacement was supposed to be Pitta but we know what happened to him. That's unfortunate.

The only reason I question letting Reed walk is communication. I'm not sure Ed would've done any better covering that freak TE Thomas. I do believe that he would've helped us in terms of communication much better than we had.

 

Greg, Heap, and Mason was understandable releases. All those guys, with the exception of Mason maybe, was finished at that point in their careers. They just wasn't productivity. Boldin on the other hand was our best WR, so he was and is not replaceable. Even if Pitta, was set to replace him, someone still had to replace Pitta's production from a year ago.

It is what it is. The FO made some mistakes, that's just what it is.

My theory is this... I think Ozzie was so concerned with not repeating what happened the 1st time we won the super bowl (having to gut the roster a year later) that he tried to make enough moves this off season, so that he could have enough cap room in the upcoming years to keep most of our main guys around.

But when the smoke cleared, he still ended up gutting the roster... he just did it the year after we won the title, instead of two years later, like in 2000.  

Ozzie normally get rid of guys when they are done and finished, not when they are still playing at a pro bowl level. The moves we made this off season, were not typical Ravens moves.

[rmw10]

Greg, Heap, and Mason was understandable releases. All those guys, with the exception of Mason maybe, was finished at that point in their careers. They just wasn't productivity. Boldin on the other hand was our best WR, so he was and is not replaceable. Even if Pitta, was set to replace him, someone still had to replace Pitta's production from a year ago.

It is what it is. The FO made some mistakes, that's just what it is.

My theory is this... I think Ozzie was so concerned with not repeating what happened the 1st time we won the super bowl (having to gut the roster a year later) that he tried to make enough moves this off season, so that he could have enough cap room in the upcoming years to keep most of our main guys around.

But when the smoke cleared, he still ended up gutting the roster... he just did it the year after we won the title, instead of two years later, like in 2000.  

Ozzie normally get rid of guys when they are done and finished, not when they are still playing at a pro bowl level. The moves we made this off season, were not typical Ravens moves.

 

Trading Boldin was and still is the right move.  It's not all about production on the field.  As Grim noted, Pitta was supposed to take over Boldin's role and Dickson was supposed to take over Pitta's role.  Unless you have a crystal ball, there was no way of knowing that both of those guys would get hurt, in addition to Jacoby.  It looks bad in hindsight right now, but at the time, the move made total sense.

 

There's so much more involved than just having Boldin or not having Boldin.  If we still have Boldin, we have none of our 5 defensive free agents.  The passing game did take a hit, but again, there was no way of knowing that it was going to take additional hits to that extent via injury.

[RavensFanMvp]

Trading Boldin was and still is the right move.  It's not all about production on the field.  As Grim noted, Pitta was supposed to take over Boldin's role and Dickson was supposed to take over Pitta's role.  Unless you have a crystal ball, there was no way of knowing that both of those guys would get hurt, in addition to Jacoby.  It looks bad in hindsight right now, but at the time, the move made total sense.

 

There's so much more involved than just having Boldin or not having Boldin.  If we still have Boldin, we have none of our 5 defensive free agents.  The passing game did take a hit, but again, there was no way of knowing that it was going to take additional hits to that extent via injury.

 

Dude that's such a BS response and you know it.

 

Bottomline, the team would have been better off with Boldin than without him. There's nothing more involved to it.

[rmw10]

Dude that's such a BS answer and you know it.

 

Bottomline, the team would have been better off with Boldin than without. There's nothing more involved to it.

 

If we have Boldin, we don't have any of the following: Dumervil, Canty, Smith, Spears, Huff.  The first 3 are bonafide starters for us.  Spears is a great rotational player.  Huff is still a question mark.  If you pick Boldin over 5 players, you're ridiculous.  It's hindsight.  I know it looks bad, but at the time, it's the right decision.

 

Of course we'd be better off with Boldin, but it's an opportunity cost.  It's not as simple as having Boldin or not having Boldin.  There's a lot more involved than that.

[The Raven]

Dude that's such a BS response and you know it.

 

Bottomline, the team would have been better off with Boldin than without him. There's nothing more involved to it.

 

Oh the irony