Opinion: List of Ravens FO/Coaching moves that have historically hurt the francise...

[jimjim5]

I assume you mean ILB?

 

correct assumption.

[jimjim5]

No Ellerbe was not slotted to replace Ray. There's a reason they gave McClain the contract a year before and not Ellerbe. McClain was the better player. Ellerbe is strong on passing downs - he excels at rushing the passer and in coverage, but is a TERRIBLE tackler. He over pursues the ball so bad. He missed so many easy tackles last year just blowing by the ball I wanted to pull my hair out.

He's a very good situational player. Not your defensive leader in the middle who can read the offense, get guys lined up, and pursue ball carriers or stuff the run.

 

Watch the tape of all the games once he was starter too.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Calling Juice and Gino a waste already... That's pretty dumb. Also Cody played well his second year so he did do something.

Cody didnt play well on his 2nd year..

..and juice & gino arent 'bad' players..i just dont think they are worth 4th round pick. I feel like a FB and a small school center couldve been had later. If i remember right, players like quinton patton was avail b4 juice(wouldve helped us more), and we traded up high w/ vikings 4th round to pick up gino

[jimjim5]

You're telling me he's better than Daryl Smith. Sorry bud, your eyes are definitely deceiving you. Either that or you really don't know what you're looking at

 

Daryl is good. A great leader. Speed is on the down side. Ellerbe is a better cover ILB. better blitzer. Disruptive.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Watch the tape of all the games once he was starter too.

I have. And he's a big part of the reason our run D was so awful. Ngata being injured and having ma'ake starting at NT with bad dline depth are others. But ellerbe absolutely contributed to our worst run defense in memory.

Doesn't make sense for a guy who's supposed to be really good against the run or a thumper.

I've given you that he's good on passing downs, which has become a very important skill. But he's NOT a 3 down linebacker. And you don't pay a one-dimensional guy that kind of money and you don't build a defense around him. He's a great piece to add, but not a core building block.

Just watch this year.

[BMORElegacy]

You're telling me he's better than Daryl Smith. Sorry bud, your eyes are definitely deceiving you. Either that or you really don't know what you're looking at

You're too kind. You totally looked past the ignorant statement about Flacco's contract being the reason he wasn't brought back. 

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Juice will never start. Wasted pick. The F/O had a case of, I am smarter than you.

Lmao 1 game into his career and its already over.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Daryl is good. A great leader. Speed is on the down side. Ellerbe is a better cover ILB. better blitzer. Disruptive.

IIRC Ellerbe gave up like a 100+ passer rating in coverage... What a stud.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Cody didnt play well on his 2nd year..

..and juice & gino arent 'bad' players..i just dont think they are worth 4th round pick. I feel like a FB and a small school center couldve been had later. If i remember right, players like quinton patton was avail b4 juice(wouldve helped us more), and we traded up high w/ vikings 4th round to pick up gino

I guess we disagree on Cody then. Maybe they could have but who knows. Give them a legitimate chance before you call them a bad move.

[SecretAgentMan]

Lmao 1 game into his career and its already over.

The I Am Smarter than you comment too.

What is he? 5?

[jimjim5]

I have. And he's a big part of the reason our run D was so awful. Ngata being injured and having ma'ake starting at NT with bad dline depth are others. But ellerbe absolutely contributed to our worst run defense in memory.

Doesn't make sense for a guy who's supposed to be really good against the run or a thumper.

I've given you that he's good on passing downs, which has become a very important skill. But he's NOT a 3 down linebacker. And you don't pay a one-dimensional guy that kind of money and you don't build a defense around him. He's a great piece to add, but not a core building block.

Just watch this year.

 

Our run d was awful because of the D-line and Ray did not have the pursuit speed.

[jimjim5]

IIRC Ellerbe gave up like a 100+ passer rating in coverage... What a stud.

 

The TEAM gave up a 100+ passer rating. Get it right.

[Ravenslifer]

Am I dreaming or is there a serious argument about paying Dannell Ellerbe almost as much as Patrick Willis (which is what the Dolphins did, btw - Ellerbe's salary is 7 million per year, Willis' is 7.6) - and Willis is only 1 year older but has about 80 more career starts.

[mgridda]

Listen, when it comes to the Ravens: I'm one of the most optimistic people on here. However, I LOVE hindsight topics like this! I didn't read most of the posts in the topics because ..well, you guys don't know what you're talking about! But ok, here goes...mistakes the Ravens have made:

1) Not Drafting Brian Dawkins in 1996 with our 3rd round pick. Instead, we drafted DeRon Jenkins!
2) Drafting Jermaine Lewis in 1996 instead of Zach Thomas with our 4th round pick. Don't get me wrong, Jermaine was the man! But Zach Thomas and Ray Lewis would have made a nasty defense.
3) Drafting Dexter Daniels in round 6 of the 1996 NFL Draft! CLEARLY pro bowl guard Marco Riviera was the correct choice!
4) Drafting anyone after that in 1996, when we could have drafted Adam Vinatieri! It'd be great to have such a clutch kicker!

5) We should have drafted Tony Gonzalez in 1997 instead of Peter Boulware! He's still doing great and a total hall of famer. This also means no Todd Heap (and it makes sense why later)
6) In 1997 we should have drafted Tiki Barber instead of Jamie Sharper. This means no Jamal Lewis later on. Tiki was doing way too well for that.
7) Instead of Kim Herring, we could have grabbed Darren Sharper! He's a pro bowl safety. He was doing so well in 2002 though that we needn't grab Ed Reed considering we'd have Dawkins and Sharper

8) In round 3 we should have grabbed Jason Taylor instead of Dexter Coakley!!!

I could continue, but I'm not going to. You see where I'm going with this? This kind of nitpicking robs the NFL of the beauty and character of the game, the lore. The wrong move is made sometimes. And sometimes it makes victory all that much sweeter. Ever play CIV 4 with full cheats? Not very fun is it?

Yes, 20/20 hindsight would make us a better team. We'd probably win more games. But ultimately there's no guarantee we'd be able to keep all these players, and we'd lose guys who are real Ravens, who gave us memories and made the Ravens who they were. Guys like Jermaine Lewis, Todd Heap, Matt Stover: these guys would have no place in Ravens history. And that's why I say $#$% this topic. 

Also, my top 5 on who the Ravens really should have drafted or moves they should have made, and were close to drafting or making moves on:

1) Brian Dawkins instead of DeRon Jenkins. Imagine a secondary of Dawkins and Ed Reed.

2) Signing Drew Brees in 2006 instead of Steve McNair (we couldn't afford him)

3) Not trading up in 2003, and instead drafting Anquan Boldin in the 2nd round. This means sticking with Chris Redman. Not a big difference between Boller and Redman. This also means we'd have our 2004 pick around the same spot, and let's say we draft Vince Wilfork, or Steven Jackson
4) 2005, Drafting Mark Clayton instead of Aaron Rodgers or Roddy White.

5) Either drafting Clay Matthews and Sebastian Vollmer instead of Michael Oher and Paul Kruger in 2009, or drafting Muhammad Wilkerson instead of Jimmy Smith in 2011. But Jimmy looks good right now. I liked his play in week 1.

Yet look, even these moves still make us lose who we are. I know Flacco hasn't done what Rodgers and Brees have in the regular season, but I'd still rather have Joe Flacco right now.

[ThePurpleWall]

nope

[Poes Crows]

I believe events will reveal that the transition from the 2012 Ravens to the 2013 Ravens contained the most blunders in the history of Raven's Football. It's not too early to begin digging into them to determine whose bright ideas they were. There needs to be accountability.

[GTRavens]

And we have to trade Matt Elam before his true value is known.

 WTH does this mean?

[Tank 92]

Yeah.  Our FO and coaches really suck.  When are we ever going to make the playoffs?  :bitenails:

 

All of this second guessing and hindsight criticism passes the time and is entertaining for some. But in reality, our FO and coaches have done a pretty a pretty decent job of keeping us competitive. Looking back, of course there are some moves that haven't panned out or seem foolish. Unfortunately no one has a crystal ball and can guarantee future performance. Be thankful for what we have and have some faith in one of the best orgs in the NFL.  

[Tank 92]

 WTH does this mean?

 

 

:feedtroll:

[jimjim5]

I believe events will reveal that the transition from the 2012 Ravens to the 2013 Ravens contained the most blunders in the history of Raven's Football. It's not too early to begin digging into them to determine whose bright ideas they were. There needs to be accountability.

 

it could got that way, but for the record, I think the Ravens coaching and FO is too strong for a precipitous fall. I just think they underestimated the importance of waves of depth in positions. 

 

I know they make mistakes, I just wanted to track what others think. I am NOT and will NEVER be a blind follower.

[jimjim5]

Listen, when it comes to the Ravens: I'm one of the most optimistic people on here. However, I LOVE hindsight topics like this! I didn't read most of the posts in the topics because ..well, you guys don't know what you're talking about! But ok, here goes...mistakes the Ravens have made:

1) Not Drafting Brian Dawkins in 1996 with our 3rd round pick. Instead, we drafted DeRon Jenkins!
2) Drafting Jermaine Lewis in 1996 instead of Zach Thomas with our 4th round pick. Don't get me wrong, Jermaine was the man! But Zach Thomas and Ray Lewis would have made a nasty defense.
3) Drafting Dexter Daniels in round 6 of the 1996 NFL Draft! CLEARLY pro bowl guard Marco Riviera was the correct choice!
4) Drafting anyone after that in 1996, when we could have drafted Adam Vinatieri! It'd be great to have such a clutch kicker!

5) We should have drafted Tony Gonzalez in 1997 instead of Peter Boulware! He's still doing great and a total hall of famer. This also means no Todd Heap (and it makes sense why later)
6) In 1997 we should have drafted Tiki Barber instead of Jamie Sharper. This means no Jamal Lewis later on. Tiki was doing way too well for that.
7) Instead of Kim Herring, we could have grabbed Darren Sharper! He's a pro bowl safety. He was doing so well in 2002 though that we needn't grab Ed Reed considering we'd have Dawkins and Sharper

8) In round 3 we should have grabbed Jason Taylor instead of Dexter Coakley!!!

I could continue, but I'm not going to. You see where I'm going with this? This kind of nitpicking robs the NFL of the beauty and character of the game, the lore. The wrong move is made sometimes. And sometimes it makes victory all that much sweeter. Ever play CIV 4 with full cheats? Not very fun is it?

Yes, 20/20 hindsight would make us a better team. We'd probably win more games. But ultimately there's no guarantee we'd be able to keep all these players, and we'd lose guys who are real Ravens, who gave us memories and made the Ravens who they were. Guys like Jermaine Lewis, Todd Heap, Matt Stover: these guys would have no place in Ravens history. And that's why I say $#$% this topic. 

Also, my top 5 on who the Ravens really should have drafted or moves they should have made, and were close to drafting or making moves on:

1) Brian Dawkins instead of DeRon Jenkins. Imagine a secondary of Dawkins and Ed Reed.

2) Signing Drew Brees in 2006 instead of Steve McNair (we couldn't afford him)

3) Not trading up in 2003, and instead drafting Anquan Boldin in the 2nd round. This means sticking with Chris Redman. Not a big difference between Boller and Redman. This also means we'd have our 2004 pick around the same spot, and let's say we draft Vince Wilfork, or Steven Jackson
4) 2005, Drafting Mark Clayton instead of Aaron Rodgers or Roddy White.

5) Either drafting Clay Matthews and Sebastian Vollmer instead of Michael Oher and Paul Kruger in 2009, or drafting Muhammad Wilkerson instead of Jimmy Smith in 2011. But Jimmy looks good right now. I liked his play in week 1.

Yet look, even these moves still make us lose who we are. I know Flacco hasn't done what Rodgers and Brees have in the regular season, but I'd still rather have Joe Flacco right now.

 

None of your examples are choices that "hurt the franchise, IMHO.

[ratedr]

Daryl is good. A great leader. Speed is on the down side. Ellerbe is a better cover ILB. better blitzer. Disruptive.

Lol sorry dude this just isn't true. I've been with you on some things but this is just ridiculously inaccurate.

[ratedr]

Cody didnt play well on his 2nd year..

..and juice & gino arent 'bad' players..i just dont think they are worth 4th round pick. I feel like a FB and a small school center couldve been had later. If i remember right, players like quinton patton was avail b4 juice(wouldve helped us more), and we traded up high w/ vikings 4th round to pick up gino

Quinton Patton was taken one pick before our two fourth round picks.

[ravensdfan]

Going back on topic:

Keeping Cundiff for too long and giving him a fat extension
At the time, he was coming off a Pro Bowl year. Hindsight is 20/20 but no one was complaining then.

Giving Dominque Crapworth top 5 CB money to one of the worst CB in NFL
I agree with this one. Have no idea what they saw in him.

Giving Joe Flacco 120m 6-extension. Couldve been had for top 10payday.

Agree here as well. They only had to go $1M more at the beginning of the season. Though, his cap hit is only $6M this year so that did not hurt us this season. It might come back to bite us later but they will most likely restructure before his big hit.

Boldin shouldve been traded for 4th round pick at least. 208yards, 1TD tonight tells me his right on his prime now(he woke up after playoffs)
We weren't going to get a 4th for Boldin based on 4 playoff performances. His regular season numbers did not reflect the value for a 4th. It's one game against one of the worst secondaries in football that was missing its 2 top players. We can revisit this one after they face a few real defenses.
Wasting good picks on draft -- jah reid, gino, juice, doss
How can you put Juice here? He's a rookie for crying out loud and hasn't even been given a shot.  Furthermore, all of these guys showed promise and we didn't draft them that high.
Forced retirement on Matt Birk (he would been paid only 1.2m if he stayed)
Birk was already talking retirement the previous season. If anything, they talked him into one more year and he got a SB ring out of it. He was getting his knee drained nearly every single week and playing in pain. No one forced him into retirement.
Putting too much faith on draft picks that hasnt done anything on field(jah reid, tandon doss, gino, mount cody)

Again with the draft picks. We draft late because we are successful. We aren't going to be able to draft the cream of the crop picking at #29 - #32. That is just reality. Do you want us to do a "suck for Luck" campaign like Indy?

[jimjim5]

Lol sorry dude this just isn't true. I've been with you on some things but this is just ridiculously inaccurate.

 

Ok i'll concede... Daryl is better all-around now  because he is instinctive and a natural leader. However, I think Ellerbe will grow to be very good this year and the next and the next. More upside based on age.

[PuRock]

I believe events will reveal that the transition from the 2012 Ravens to the 2013 Ravens contained the most blunders in the history of Raven's Football. It's not too early to begin digging into them to determine whose bright ideas they were. There needs to be accountability.

 

[The Oakland Cathedral]

The TEAM gave up a 100+ passer rating. Get it right.

I'm referring to Ellerbe as an individual. Get it right.

[bauer77]

Cody didnt play well on his 2nd year..

..and juice & gino arent 'bad' players..i just dont think they are worth 4th round pick. I feel like a FB and a small school center couldve been had later. If i remember right, players like quinton patton was avail b4 juice(wouldve helped us more), and we traded up high w/ vikings 4th round to pick up gino

 

 

Patton was taken a few picks before Juice. 

 

 

EDIT: Just realized someone else had told you about Patton. lol.

[T3hRaven]

Creepy NDGT. Love that guy though, the whole Pluto business aside.

I feel like our somewhat intelligent posters need to band together and make an NFL 101 course. Maybe if they learn about the salary cap they'll understand why certain things are done. But I doubt it.

[Alexir]

More negativity...

+1

 

see, I love the Orioles and Ravens but I think we have the worst fan-base. So fair-weather. Can't stand it.

 

They are either entirely too negative or way too homerish. Only a few of us are in the happy medium and that is probably because we are a fan of the game itself.