Opinion: List of Ravens FO/Coaching moves that have historically hurt the francise...

[BMORElegacy]

I agree with this. except Ellerbe. Ellerbe will be a force for a long time. I think he is an exceptional player.

He's already being slapped with the overpaid/overrated label in Miami.... Just for your information. 

[Cville-Raven]

He's already being slapped with the overpaid/overrated label in Miami.... Just for your information.

lol is he really. Have to say I'm not shocked, never saw anything good in him.

[BMORElegacy]

lol is he really. Have to say I'm not shocked, never saw anything good him.

He was at best a serviceable middle linebacker that showed somewhat one dimensionality. He is nowhere near a 50 million dollar LB you build your defense around. 

[ratedr]

Ellerbe was no doubt overpaid. A part-time player who got paid like Patrick Willis. Dumb.

 

I don't miss Williams or Pollard either.

 

The only moves that would have been beneficial are Reed (for leadership and stability...but will he even see the field) and Boldin (because, duh).

[jimjim5]

He was at best a serviceable middle linebacker that showed somewhat one dimensionality. He is nowhere near a 50 million dollar LB you build your defense around. 

 

he signed a contract for 5 years, 35 mil. He will be worth it.

[BMORElegacy]

he signed a contract for 5 years, 35 mil. He will be worth it.

No. No he won't. He'll just be the most recent example of a system player who got his payday only for the franchise who paid him to find out that he isn't what was advertised. It happens with the Ravens all the time. A decent player looks like a pro bowler in our system and then fizzles out elsewhere because they're no longer in the Ravens' system. 

[jimjim5]

He's already being slapped with the overpaid/overrated label in Miami.... Just for your information. 

 

Show me something tangible. He played his first game today. The Ravens gambled with Ellerbe and lost. They didnt have the $$ to pay him. Ellerbe  one of the main reasons we have a new Lombardi sitting in The Castle.

 

I personally think they were trying to bury him so he would have much value come negiotation time. Ravens already had him slotted to replace Ray-Ray. We would not have won the Super Bowl with McClain in at LB..

[BMORElegacy]

Show me something tangible. He played his first game today. The Ravens gambled with ellerbe and lost. They didnt have the $$ to pay him. Ellerbe  one of the main reasons we have a new Lombardi sitting in The Castle.

Show me something tangible. Unless he starts looking like Patrick Willis I'll be fine with letting him walk for more than he was worth. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Going back on topic:

Keeping Cundiff for too long and giving him a fat extension

Giving Dominque Crapworth top 5 CB money to one of the worst CB in NFL

Giving Joe Flacco 120m 6-extension. Couldve been had for top 10payday.

Boldin shouldve been traded for 4th round pick at least. 208yards, 1TD tonight tells me his right on his prime now(he woke up after playoffs)

Wasting good picks on draft -- jah reid, gino, juice, doss

Forced retirement on Matt Birk (he would been paid only 1.2m if he stayed)

Putting too much faith on draft picks that hasnt done anything on field(jah reid, tandon doss, gino, mount cody)

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

he signed a contract for 5 years, 35 mil. He will be worth it.

He was a rotational player at his best, and took on a larger role bc of injury on a historically bad ravens defense. What exactly about Ellerbe's play makes you think he's worth $7mill per year?

I'm not saying he'll be terrible, but look around the NFL and what other MLB's are making. He's vastly overpaid for playing ok on a bad defense.

[jimjim5]

Show me something tangible. Unless he starts looking like Patrick Willis I'll be fine with letting him walk for more than he was worth. 

 

Reply the Super Bowl tape.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

because its so easy to stay positive after thursday

Yes, yes it is.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Show me something tangible. He played his first game today. The Ravens gambled with Ellerbe and lost. They didnt have the $$ to pay him. Ellerbe  one of the main reasons we have a new Lombardi sitting in The Castle.
 
I personally think they were trying to bury him so he would have much value come negiotation time. Ravens already had him slotted to replace Ray-Ray. We would not have won the Super Bowl with McClain in at LB..

No Ellerbe was not slotted to replace Ray. There's a reason they gave McClain the contract a year before and not Ellerbe. McClain was the better player. Ellerbe is strong on passing downs - he excels at rushing the passer and in coverage, but is a TERRIBLE tackler. He over pursues the ball so bad. He missed so many easy tackles last year just blowing by the ball I wanted to pull my hair out.

He's a very good situational player. Not your defensive leader in the middle who can read the offense, get guys lined up, and pursue ball carriers or stuff the run.

[jimjim5]

He was a rotational player at his best, and took on a larger role bc of injury on a historically bad ravens defense. What exactly about Ellerbe's play makes you think he's worth $7mill per year?

I'm not saying he'll be terrible, but look around the NFL and what other MLB's are making. He's vastly overpaid for playing ok on a bad defense.

 

his sideline to sideline speed, ability as a thumper, ability to shed tackles. Why do you think a pro team F/O and scouting dept would pay like that for a "reserve" LB? Why? Because he is not a reserve, he was just postioned behind a legend, and had to wait his turn.

[jimjim5]

No Ellerbe was not slotted to replace Ray. There's a reason they gave McClain the contract a year before and not Ellerbe. McClain was the better player. Ellerbe is strong on passing downs - he excels at rushing the passer and in coverage, but is a TERRIBLE tackler. He over pursues the ball so bad. He missed so many easy tackles last year just blowing by the ball I wanted to pull my hair out.

He's a very good situational player. Not your defensive leader in the middle who can read the offense, get guys lined up, and pursue ball carriers or stuff the run.

 

we will see.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Reply the Super Bowl tape.

So one game is tangible evidence that he can be a star player, the kind of guy you can build a defense around?.... All while ignoring the rest of his career before that and presently ( this preseason and game 1).

Your argument as to why he's worth the contract he got helps me to understand your creating this thread, and the over reaction, again, to 1 game so far this year.

I wish you were my boss -- hey boss I deserve a raise.... But your performance has been below average for nearly 3 years, your my 4th best producer out of 5..... Yea but I've had a pretty good week, right?..... Well you do have a point there - ok u got it.

[jimjim5]

Going back on topic:

Keeping Cundiff for too long and giving him a fat extension

Giving Dominque Crapworth top 5 CB money to one of the worst CB in NFL

Giving Joe Flacco 120m 6-extension. Couldve been had for top 10payday.

Boldin shouldve been traded for 4th round pick at least. 208yards, 1TD tonight tells me his right on his prime now(he woke up after playoffs)

Wasting good picks on draft -- jah reid, gino, juice, doss

Forced retirement on Matt Birk (he would been paid only 1.2m if he stayed)

Putting too much faith on draft picks that hasnt done anything on field(jah reid, tandon doss, gino, mount cody)

Cundiff was very shaky his first year here. never looked confortable.

 

Foxworth was bad. Sorry Terps fans.

[Sizzlebshu]

Hiring Cam Cameron

 

Putting the defense first in terms of the draft after obtaining Flacco

 

Bringing in Anquan Boldin when we still had Cam Cameron (this was a mistake and was only rectified by his firing later)

 

Playing Bargain Hunter with wide receiver ( it has never worked for Ozzie) 

 

The above really makes me angry since every offensive skill player worth anything on this team was a higher round talent - Torrey, Joe, Rice and even Boldin at one point were all second round or higher selections (they are our best offensive players- coincidence?)

 

Piggybacking on the above - Any wide receiver drafted in round 3 or lower (ie 4,5,6,7). They usually end up cut (Doss among others). 

 

Ed Dickson, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely - Two should retire, and one just cant catch the ball. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

his sideline to sideline speed, ability as a thumper, ability to shed tackles. Why do you think a pro team F/O and scouting dept would pay like that for a "reserve" LB? Why? Because he is not a reserve, he was just postioned behind a legend, and had to wait his turn.

No he was positioned behind Lewis, McClain and at times McClellan.

And really your going to ask why I'd think an FO would overpay a rotational guy? Did you pay attention at all to Miamis offseason? ALL THEY DID WAS OVERPAY MEDIOCRE OR ONE DIMENSIONAL PLAYERS!!

And I'll give you his speed, and I think you mean she'd blocks not tackles. But u were probably closer with tackles bc he seemed to shed off the guys he was trying to tackle in the open field. And he's definitely not a thumper as you call him. He sucks against the run.

[jimjim5]

So one game is tangible evidence that he can be a star player, the kind of guy you can build a defense around?.... All while ignoring the rest of his career before that and presently ( this preseason and game 1).

Your argument as to why he's worth the contract he got helps me to understand your creating this thread, and the over reaction, again, to 1 game so far this year.

I wish you were my boss -- hey boss I deserve a raise.... But your performance has been below average for nearly 3 years, your my 4th best producer out of 5..... Yea but I've had a pretty good week, right?..... Well you do have a point there - ok u got it.

 

time will tell with the Dolphins, but my eyes did not deceive me while he was with the Ravens. He was the best LB we have lsat year. And he is better than what we have this year. We just didnt have the money after the Flacco contract.

[jimjim5]

No he was positioned behind Lewis, McClain and at times McClellan.

And really your going to ask why I'd think an FO would overpay a rotational guy? Did you pay attention at all to Miamis offseason? ALL THEY DID WAS OVERPAY MEDIOCRE OR ONE DIMENSIONAL PLAYERS!!

And I'll give you his speed, and I think you mean she'd blocks not tackles. But u were probably closer with tackles bc he seemed to shed off the guys he was trying to tackle in the open field. And he's definitely not a thumper as you call him. He sucks against the run.

 

No he was positioned behind Lewis, McClain and at times McClellan.

And really your going to ask why I'd think an FO would overpay a rotational guy? Did you pay attention at all to Miamis offseason? ALL THEY DID WAS OVERPAY MEDIOCRE OR ONE DIMENSIONAL PLAYERS!!

And I'll give you his speed, and I think you mean she'd blocks not tackles. But u were probably closer with tackles bc he seemed to shed off the guys he was trying to tackle in the open field. And he's definitely not a thumper as you call him. He sucks against the run.

 

typing fast.. yes, shed blocks. Ellerbe NEVER sucked against the run. straight lie. Ellerbe didnt play because he was oft hurt.

[ravensfan520]

LOL at people still crying about trading Boldin. There's no winning with you guys.

If we had kept Boldin for another year, we wouldn't have Dumervil, Canty, Spears, or Huff. So take away those guys, and we are starting (mostly) young unproven guys. So then our defense sucks, and you guys complain about that.

We trade Boldin, you complain about it. You can't have it both ways guys. This isn't Madden.

Move on.

The Doom was a lucky move because of Denver and Huff so far hasn't shown much. Canty was a great pick up. But I think we could have got him and extended Boldin... just think we are going to go through this again next year. Jones pitta Dickson smith oher... are we going to cut Suggs and Ngata next.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

his sideline to sideline speed, ability as a thumper, ability to shed tackles. Why do you think a pro team F/O and scouting dept would pay like that for a "reserve" LB? Why? Because he is not a reserve, he was just postioned behind a legend, and had to wait his turn.

Yes, because the Dolphins FO is renowned for their great decision-making skills.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

time will tell with the Dolphins, but my eyes did not deceive me while he was with the Ravens. He was the best LB we have lsat year. And he is better than what we have this year. We just didnt have the money after the Flacco contract.

I assume you mean ILB?

[SecretAgentMan]

Yes, because the Dolphins FO is renowned for their great decision-making skills.

That explains why Mike Wallace did so well today lol

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Going back on topic:

Keeping Cundiff for too long and giving him a fat extension

Giving Dominque Crapworth top 5 CB money to one of the worst CB in NFL

Giving Joe Flacco 120m 6-extension. Couldve been had for top 10payday.

Boldin shouldve been traded for 4th round pick at least. 208yards, 1TD tonight tells me his right on his prime now(he woke up after playoffs)

Wasting good picks on draft -- jah reid, gino, juice, doss

Forced retirement on Matt Birk (he would been paid only 1.2m if he stayed)

Putting too much faith on draft picks that hasnt done anything on field(jah reid, tandon doss, gino, mount cody)

Calling Juice and Gino a waste already... That's pretty dumb. Also Cody played well his second year so he did do something.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

That explains why Mike Wallace did so well today lol

Damn straight.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Hiring Cam Cameron

Putting the defense first in terms of the draft after obtaining Flacco

Bringing in Anquan Boldin when we still had Cam Cameron (this was a mistake and was only rectified by his firing later)

Playing Bargain Hunter with wide receiver ( it has never worked for Ozzie)

The above really makes me angry since every offensive skill player worth anything on this team was a higher round talent - Torrey, Joe, Rice and even Boldin at one point were all second round or higher selections (they are our best offensive players- coincidence?)

Piggybacking on the above - Any wide receiver drafted in round 3 or lower (ie 4,5,6,7). They usually end up cut (Doss among others).

Ed Dickson, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely - Two should retire, and one just cant catch the ball.

Lol. I forgot Pitta, Pierce, And Jacoby never contribute. And that bum of a UDFA Marlon brown will never do anything.

And I already addressed this, but if you want to mortgage the future to land one WR then cool - hope you enjoy being awful. The top WRs are usually gonna go near the top. Talent drops at other positions.

We just won the Super Bowl where Boldin a FA, Pitta a later pick, Pierce a 3rd rounder, and Jacoby another Bargain FA were our biggest weapons. Ozzies formula works. Proof is in the ring

Draft bpa regardless of position and then get bargain FA's to fill out the roster and then use ur money to keep the homegrown guys. It just so happens the bpa is rarely a WR at the end of the 1st round bc teams reach. So basically your argument is that our problem is that we always draft at the end of the first round - but that argument puts a hole in itself bc if you're consistently drafting at the end of the round your consistently winning. And if you're consistently winning you don't have issues.

This argument is just dumb

But go cheer for the rams , Vikings, or titans. They've been consistently taking skill position players the past cpl years if my memory serves me. How's that working for them? Oakland does that quite a bit too. All great teams.

[jimjim5]

Calling Juice and Gino a waste already... That's pretty dumb. Also Cody played well his second year so he did do something.

 

Juice will never start. Wasted pick. The F/O had a case of, I am smarter than you.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

time will tell with the Dolphins, but my eyes did not deceive me while he was with the Ravens. He was the best LB we have lsat year. And he is better than what we have this year. We just didnt have the money after the Flacco contract.

You're telling me he's better than Daryl Smith. Sorry bud, your eyes are definitely deceiving you. Either that or you really don't know what you're looking at