Drafting a tweener - Kyle Jusczyk

[jimjim5]

Are you really expecting Juice to contribute immediately?  Not all rookies come in and light the world on fire from day one.  Give him some time before you consider him a wasted pick.  Despite his measurables, I'm sure that they have ways of getting him on the field and maximizing his value.

 

No. I am saying that he doe not make this team better in 2013. He is a liability at this point. A solid ST contributor or tested backup would be a better fit in his roster spot this year. I think he would be a awesome pick if we had depth, not when we are turning a roster over.

[jimjim5]

Lol, not a fact. Facts can be substantiated. For example if you wanted to use the combine to try and substantiate the fact you would see that Juice outperformed Boldin in just about every area. If you wanted to use his Harvard tape you would see that he bullied everyone on the defense. You don't have much to judge Juice off of that would support your idea. We have had plenty of players in our team's history that didn't get the playing time they deserved. So I'm not quite sure how you make these claims so confidently.

 

The fact is that explosive players get burn. that is the nature of the NFL.

[rmw10]

No. I am saying that he doe not make this team better in 2013. He is a liability at this point. A solid ST contributor or tested backup would be a better fit in his roster spot this year. I think he would be a awesome pick if we had depth, not when we are turning a roster over.

He is a solid ST contributor, so it's not like he's sitting on the bench taking up a spot.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Are you really expecting Juice to contribute immediately? Not all rookies come in and light the world on fire from day one. Give him some time before you consider him a wasted pick. Despite his measurables, I'm sure that they have ways of getting him on the field and maximizing his value.

I don't expect anything of him but he can't be much worse than Clark and Dickson so I see no harm in throwing him out there early. Maybe he comes up ala Marlon Brown maybe he comes up ala Brynden Trawick last night. Who knows?

[The Oakland Cathedral]

The fact is that explosive players get burn. that is the nature of the NFL.

Thats so general that there is 0 chance of that being factual. There are a ton of explosive players who get little to no time in games.

[JoeyFlex5]

The point of skill position player on offense is to present an exploitable mismatch.  An H-back or a "move" tightend, is a player who uses his size to box out defenders and speed.

 

Here is a good article on 12 personnel and a small excerpt that explains the methodology. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8298aeb2/article/two-tight-end-formations-will-hit-nfl-by-storm-in-2012

 

  

"If the defense remains in base personnel, the H-back enjoys a significant advantage over a linebacker lacking the agility to stay close in coverage. If the defensive coordinator uses nickel personnel, the H-back uses his superior size to post up smaller defenders in space.

 

In the past, offensive coordinators would employ this tactic primarily in the red zone, but more play-callers are taking advantage of these matchups by aligning the tight end in a wide position to get him isolated on linebackers or defensive backs in space. The quarterback will capitalize on the matchup by targeting the tight end on fades (back-shoulder fades) and slants. Given the superior size advantage, this becomes a high-percentage throw that is nearly indefensible."

 

 

Kyle Juszczyk does not present the same physical skill set to present such match up problems for a defense.  Kyle is not a bigger target, he cannot post up on defensive backs, and he can't block players out with a huge catch radius.

 

Juszczyk is best used as a fullback in the mold of the 49ers Tom Rathman.  An athletic pass catching fullback who can also lead block forces a defense to play in heavy formations to prevent the run.   This leaves match ups against linebackers out of the back field, hopefully isolating slower less agile OLBs in coverage.    

why this got negs is beyond me. its like you post a completely true statement about a player, and everyone thinks your bashing him.. this couldn't be any more true, perfect assessment of juice compared to guys like gronk, which everyone on these boards expects juice to be. tom rathman Is a perfect comparison, and once juice learns to block, you have defenders that need to worry about a) taking on a lead blocker. b) stopping the run. or c) covering a athletic bruising fullback with excellent hands out of the backfield, or covering a guy like ray rice, all in the same pre-snap.

 

juice will be fine, just give him some time

[jimjim5]

Thats so general that there is 0 chance of that being factual. There are a ton of explosive players who get little to no time in games.

Most explosive, stronger players start. Weaker players with savvy fight for 2nd team and ST positions. i.g. Omar Brown. Can they break through? Yes, but more often than not, no. They get pushed off rosters.

 

Explosive players with no game get more chances based on potential. It happens at all levels of football. Ask a seasoned coach. An explosive player will get and opportunity to show that he CAN'T play before a lesser guy gets an opportunity to show he can play.

 

I have witnessed this too many times.

[RobFuseRaven]

I think he could be a good be a good option in the slot while Jacoby and Deonte are healing. There really aren't many good WRs in free agency. Might as well give him and Mellette some time.