Update: WR Tandon Doss is back

[T3hRaven]

That's why Doss makes sense. He knows the offense, he plays the slot position, and he returns punts. Even if Deonte is healthy he isnt a PR.

But on the other hand he's done basically nothing in three years and was beat out by a late round rookie, a rookie udfa, and a second year udfa. The coaches and fo made the right call on that kid and y'all be panicking and grasping at straws if you want Doss back. We need Deonte back, or Jacoby's injury to not be severe.

[SeaHawk]

i prefer LQ over trawick, thats for sure.. and to think, we cut LQ to give a roster spot to trawick to play special teams.. cut our best ST player, for a guy who runs into jacoby and hurts him.

that was the play jacoby was hurt on correct?

 

Correct. The reason we kept Trawick was because of his "ST play". I'm quoting that. Now that's funny. His ST play pretty much got the game running the wrong way for us last night, after losing Jacoby.

[T3hRaven]

Nope. Zero drops. Passes have to be catchable to be considered drops.

And for the record, catchable is a subjective definition as well. I think they were off on their drop evaluations for Clark last night because there was definitely more than that.

[SeaHawk]

Yeah...I'm making it up lol. Of course he is going to say he should make those catches but neither were drops. They were highlight reel catches if he makes them.

 

So let me get this straight... a drop only occurs when the receiver is wide open, and it hits him square in the hands?? Then Dickson really dropped only about 2 of his passes last night, and Clark didn't drop many either.

[SeaHawk]

And for the record, catchable is a subjective definition as well. I think they were off on their drop evaluations for Clark last night because there was definitely more than that.

 

In my opinion, a drop is any pass thrown to you that you have decent shot of catching, no matter if its in traffic or along the sidelines. If it takes an acrobatic catch to pull it in, then its a drop as long as you get your hands on it but it sneaks out.

[gabefergy]

Oh, so we're going to just take your word for it then, right? No bias at play at all... there wasn't an interview with Doss talking about his dropped passes, and there wasn't an article devoted to the dropped passes.

Last year's postseason:

 

This year's preseason:

 

Now, that I have proven my point...Doss would give us depth at slot WR which may be important considering Deonte's health and Stokley's age and he would provide us with a back-up PR who has experience. What is there to lose?

[gabefergy]

So let me get this straight... a drop only occurs when the receiver is wide open, and it hits him square in the hands?? Then Dickson really dropped only about 2 of his passes last night, and Clark didn't drop many either.

They both dropped 2.

[gabefergy]

But on the other hand he's done basically nothing in three years and was beat out by a late round rookie, a rookie udfa, and a second year udfa. The coaches and fo made the right call on that kid and y'all be panicking and grasping at straws if you want Doss back. We need Deonte back, or Jacoby's injury to not be severe.

Neither of those things address our lack of depth at PR. Deonte is not a punt returner. KR =/= PR. It's a completely different skillset. You really want Webb back there?

[SeaHawk]

They both dropped 2.

 

You're right Gabe. Doss is the best receiver we've ever had.

[gabefergy]

You're right Gabe. Doss is the best receiver we've ever had.

I know I'm right, but I never said that so I would appreciate it if you ease up on the sarcasm and at least acknowledge what I said was correct. I am talking strictly about Doss having good hands. You can deny it all you want, but it doesnt change the facts. He got cut because he could never get on the same page with Flacco. I dont even think he would have much of a role at all as a WR on the team besides spelling Stokley, but we desperately need a PR and Doss can fill that role nicely.

[SeaHawk]

I know I'm right, but I never said that so I would appreciate it if you ease up on the sarcasm and at least acknowledge what I said was correct. I am talking strictly about Doss having good hands. You can deny it all you want, but it doesnt change the facts. He got cut because he could never get on the same page with Flacco. I dont even think he would have much of a role at all as a WR on the team besides spelling Stokley, but we desperately need a PR and Doss can fill that role nicely.

 

I agree. You are correct man. I'd love to have Doss back, as he would at the very least do a good job filling in for Jones on PR/be a backup PR/provide depth at WR. Who knows, this may have lit a fire under his butt, being cut from the team. I agree with you, with one condition: that you think Brown should start above Doss.

[gabefergy]

I agree. You are correct man. I'd love to have Doss back, as he would at the very least do a good job filling in for Jones on PR/be a backup PR/provide depth at WR. Who knows, this may have lit a fire under his butt, being cut from the team. I agree with you, with one condition: that you think Brown should start above Doss.

Of course I think Brown should start over Doss. He looked great all preseason and in week 1. Doss would only be depth and insurance on ST so Webb doesn't have to get out there. I don't even know if this is something the FO has considered but it makes sense for multiple reasons.

[Clutch Ravens]

I'm normally never on board with this sort of thing, but he knows the playbook and he literally can't be worse than Stokley.

 

Doss may not have the veteran savvy, but he sure doesn't have the turning circle of an 18-wheeler and the burst of a turtle.

[jaege]

They aren't punt returners and Doss isn't a "dropper". He has excellent hands.

Okay, then how about misser? Because he sure isnt a catcher.But he could do as a standin for PR/KR, and on ST. At least he never broke our KR during a play.

[SeaHawk]

Of course I think Brown should start over Doss. He looked great all preseason and in week 1. Doss would only be depth and insurance on ST so Webb doesn't have to get out there. I don't even know if this is something the FO has considered but it makes sense for multiple reasons.

 

Agreed.

[T3hRaven]

Neither of those things address our lack of depth at PR. Deonte is not a punt returner. KR =/= PR. It's a completely different skillset. You really want Webb back there?

 

I literally just said I don't want Webb back there, but KR is also a concern with Jacoby out.  Do you really think St. Bernard is qualified to do that?

 

And on Doss having no drops, I'd also like you to acknowledge that on the stats you quoted that he had NO receptions in games that actually matter.  That doesn't do us any good either.  I understand your point a bit better in saying we need a PR and we wouldn't really use him at a WR, which is nice because I thought you were going crazy for a sec, but at the same time I haven't really seen anything from him in that department that makes me think he's the best option available besides Webb.

[jazz1988]

His football mentality isn't excellent which led to even worst situation if he's on the field.  We gave him a lot time to develop as we thought he should be but he fails to take it to the next level.  We need to promote someone within our ST group to do KR and PR job.

 

You can say the same thing about Brandon Stokley. The ravens gave him plenty of time to develop but from looking at his stats he really didnt accomplish much  as a receiver he was  average at best here maybe even below that and the ravens let him go; Now years has past since Stokley been ( making a name for him self atleast of being a  solid slot receiver/route runner) and hes once again is a raven but just at the wrong side of 30

[JoeyFlex5]

Correct. The reason we kept Trawick was because of his "ST play". I'm quoting that. Now that's funny. His ST play pretty much got the game running the wrong way for us last night, after losing Jacoby.

that was my point, i wasnt saying his ST play was anything good, but the coaching staff kept him because they said he was a good special teamer.. i was pointing out the irony

[gabefergy]

I literally just said I don't want Webb back there, but KR is also a concern with Jacoby out.  Do you really think St. Bernard is qualified to do that?

 

And on Doss having no drops, I'd also like you to acknowledge that on the stats you quoted that he had NO receptions in games that actually matter.  That doesn't do us any good either.  I understand your point a bit better in saying we need a PR and we wouldn't really use him at a WR, which is nice because I thought you were going crazy for a sec, but at the same time I haven't really seen anything from him in that department that makes me think he's the best option available besides Webb.

 I think a lot will depend on Jacoby's health, but even if he can go week 2 this just goes to show we have an issue at returner.

 

Those stats I posted were not meant to make Doss out to be some kind of awesome WR, just pointing out that he isnt a drops machine as some like to think. He really did next to nothing in the postseason last year mostly because he barely saw the field. He did draw an important PI against Denver though. I think slot WR is a position where we could use help at PR is clearly a problem. Doss could fill both roles which is why he makes sense to me.

[AsianRice]

You can say the same thing about Brandon Stokley. The ravens gave him plenty of time to develop but from looking at his stats he really didnt accomplish much  as a receiver he was  average at best here maybe even below that and the ravens let him go; Now years has past since Stokley been ( making a name for him self atleast of being a  solid slot receiver/route runner) and hes once again is a raven but just at the wrong side of 30

He has Trent Difer throwing the football, and the team wasn't known for throwing football instead pounding pounding and defense....

[SeaHawk]

that was my point, i wasnt saying his ST play was anything good, but the coaching staff kept him because they said he was a good special teamer.. i was pointing out the irony

 

And you're exactly right, I was just adding to it a bit of my own opinion on it.

[Corvus]

Last year's postseason:


This year's preseason:


Now, that I have proven my point...Doss would give us depth at slot WR which may be important considering Deonte's health and Stokley's age and he would provide us with a back-up PR who has experience. What is there to lose?

Well played sir. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back either but he is going to have to learn to contribute as a coverage guy/gunner on special teams as well if he is coming back for return purposes. Also, we never saw Doss return kickoffs like we saw him return punts but it doesnt mean he was incapable of it. He returned quite a few kickoffs at Indiana, the Ravens just never used him as such in the pros.

We'll see what the team does but as I said in the Jacoby injury thread and in the final cut threads, I was really surprised Rainey didn't make the team merely on return ability with Deonte still hurt and Asa suspended, even if it was just for the short term until Deonte was back, you have a backup for every other position except kickers and punter so why not make sure your final 53 has a viable backup returner in case of an injury?

[The Raven]

Really think Doss could just use a new, fresh team. It would be in his best interest to move on, but I'm not opposed to signing him for depth and PR duty. Stokley was slower than slow yesterday. 

 

Another thing to think about is how Mellette looks on offense next week. I'm pretty sure he'll get some play time against the Browns, considering Jacoby's injury. We might not need a slot guy depending on his performance. That doesn't solve the PR problem though.

[RobFuseRaven]

Of course I think Brown should start over Doss. He looked great all preseason and in week 1. Doss would only be depth and insurance on ST so Webb doesn't have to get out there. I don't even know if this is something the FO has considered but it makes sense for multiple reasons.

 

Okay, why do you even want Doss as a punt returner? I've never really seen him get that far down the field. And that's even if he decides to run.

[1/28/01]

Gabe, dude doesnt have excellent hands. Just because that MAY have been true in college does not make it correct now.

[The Raven]

Okay, why do you even want Doss as a punt returner? I've never really seen him get that far down the field. And that's even if he decides to run.

 

Because he's better at returning punts than everyone on the roster except Webb and Jacoby. Webb can't return them for obvious reasons. We need someone remotely adequate back there.

[5aiah]

Gabe, dude doesnt have excellent hands. Just because that MAY have been true in college does not make it correct now.

He has good hands, not excellent.

[gabefergy]

Gabe, dude doesnt have excellent hands. Just because that MAY have been true in college does not make it correct now.

Every ball thrown his way he catches, unless he has a defender draped all over him or it is beyond reach.

Going back to his rookie year everyone raved about his hands. One game where he didn't come down with two balls that were borderline catchabke doesn't mean he lost that ability.

[gabefergy]

Okay, why do you even want Doss as a punt returner? I've never really seen him get that far down the field. And that's even if he decides to run.

He had a great return against Denver last year and at least has experience. I just don't want Webb returning punts. Its obvious he was very tentative and the chance for injury makes it a scary proposition.

[jazz1988]

He has Trent Difer throwing the football, and the team wasn't known for throwing football instead pounding pounding and defense....

 

Trent difer was  only a  ravens   in year 2000 what about the other years before Difer  was a raven. The raven was a run  ,run offense and defensive team when Derrick Mason( Klye Boller was his quarterback) was around and he still put up good number.

Brandon Stokley was a average receiver when he was a raven  and he could not stay healthy at all.

He was a fourth round pick just like Tandon Doss and he was average just like Tandon Doss. If he was more than average dont you think the ravens would had kept him around instead of letting him go ?