Continuing issue: The run game

[callahan09]

Yeah, he had a terrible game. Surprised more haven't brought this up around here. I guess Leach gets a pass. 

He had two excellent plays that both resulted in touchdowns.  So I guess those two plays earn him the free pass for his atrocious play the rest of the game.

[GrimCoconut]

He had two excellent plays that both resulted in touchdowns. So I guess those two plays earn him the free pass for his atrocious play the rest of the game.

I suppose. They shouldn't at all. I felt like it was the Joe Flacco show and a lot of guys let him down.

[TwinRivers]

Arian Foster

 

Running:

 

Year Team G Rush Yds  Y/G  Avg  TD Fum FumL

2011  Hou  13 278 1224  94.2  4.4  10   5      3

2012  Hou  16 351  1424 89.0  4.1  15   3      2

 

 

Ray Rice

 

Running

 

Year Team G Rush Yds Y/G   Avg TD Fum FumL

2011Bal    16  291  1364 85.3   4.7 12    2      2

2012 Bal   16  257  1143 71.4   4.4   9    1       0

[cursona pirate]

It's only been one game sheesh

[jimjim5]

Baltimore went to the zone to try to implement the zone stretch like Houston.  That was another brilliant move by Cameron.  Baltimore never fully implemented it because the only good athletes on the Oline are our Gs and you start making Osemele and Yanda play fancy you take away their best attribute: they're nastiness.

 

I agree completely. You need fairly nimble linemen. We have hogs.

 

I think the FO may be tryiing to push the ZBS, but we would experience a painful switch because that mean replacing all the OL personnel, save Yanda. I understand the thought - having Ray Rice, B Pierce, and Flacco talents not being maximized fully in a pro-set, or I-formation power run scheme. However, there is no guarantee that with the proper personnel the ZBS will be as successful in Baltimore.

 

I think coaches over seeing coaches is a very bad thing unless you are looking to replace one with the other in the near future. I don't agree with the Castillo hire. I don't want an O-lIne coach who's experience was developing that feared Eagle's run game. Those Eagles/Reid philosophies are burned into him after that many years working for their organization. What did the Eagles ever do in the offensive run game other that put undersized players in every position across the board? What does he really know about a power run game??? He is what we see in his body of work.

[jimjim5]

Leach was trash. I remember on one play, Oher and Yanda completely manhandled and collapsed Denver's line, but Leach just completely whiffed on his kick out block. As a result, the RB got tackled for a loss. If he makes that block, we get a big run. Guarantee it.

 

One play makes Leach's play trash??? He was responsible for two TD's.

[The Raven]

One play makes Leach's play trash??? He was responsible for two TD's.

 

Yes, he was. In the first quarter. His play drastically worsened after that. That one play was just an example.

[jimjim5]

Yes, he was. In the first quarter. His play drastically worsened after that. That one play was just an example.

 

I didn't realize that. I gotta watch a replay if he was that bad.

[callahan09]

After week 1, the Ravens run game results sit at about the worst in the league.  We had 9 plays of no gain or loss of yardage.  That was out of 21 rush attempts, total.  So that comes out to 42.86% of our rush attempts that went for 0 or less yards.  After each team has played a full game now, no team is worse.  New York Giants are tied with the same percentage, but on fewer rush attempts (6 for loss or no gain out of 14 attempts).  Only 5 other teams even had 30% of their plays go for a loss or no gain.

 

And it doesn't help matters that the short passing game was getting just blown up at the line as the run game.

[RobFuseRaven]

Oher from an athletic standpoint is actually the ideal lineman for the ZBS, I think he lacks the mental ability to be great.  And I disagree on Osemele being that athletic too.  Strong sure, but 335 pounds is kinda fat for guards today.  And Yanda has been incredibly effective in every scheme they're played him in, he's not a problem and the ZBS does not eliminate the 'nastiness' of an OL.

 

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[Bravens292]

I'm kinda disappointed because its not like they can't run block. was gino holding them back? i really didn't pay attention to the blocking. just saw ray getting stuffed at the LOS all the time especially on the 3rd and 1.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I didn't want to make too big of a fuss about this during the pre-season because face it... It's just the pre-season. But Our lineman whom we would love to label as one of the best groups in the NFL couldn't create a whole that Mr. Fantastic could fit through tonight. 

We need to feed Rice more and pray that our o-line can make some lanes for him to gallop through. Apparently Cleveland has a much better run D this year that made Lamar Miller look terrible. But Rice put up 200 and 2 TDs  in 2 games against em against them last year so I smell a bounce back game.

[jimmypowder]

If your oline can't get any push off the line , how are our backs gonna get decent yardage . Right now only the right side with Yanda & Oher got any push , then Oher went down and all was lost Gino & Osemele were horrific for most of the game .

[gabefergy]

I don't like the ZBS at all. Our guys up front just look lost, not in unison at all like you have to be to be effective with the zone blocking.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't like the ZBS at all. Our guys up front just look lost, not in unison at all like you have to be to be effective with the zone blocking.

Yep. I think it's time to move away from the scheme, at least as a base scheme

[The Raven]

I really think we need to get rid of the ZBS. I'd rather just tell them to move forward and clobber the man in front of them instead of doing all the fancy-schmancy footwork and thinking a ZBS requires. ZBS is all about reacting to the defense, which is kind of the polar opposite to how run blocking should work. It should be all about getting in attack mode and beating the shit out of the  man in front of you.

[RobFuseRaven]

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3m

Ravens center Gino Gradkowski fined $7,800 for unnecessary roughness in Broncos game and is appealing the fine, per a source.

 

Really? When did this happen?

[GrimCoconut]

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3m
Ravens center Gino Gradkowski fined $7,800 for unnecessary roughness in Broncos game and is appealing the fine, per a source.

Really? When did this happen?

Yeah. What did he do?

[izvoodoo]

I don't like the ZBS at all. Our guys up front just look lost, not in unison at all like you have to be to be effective with the zone blocking.

They'll probably run more man, but it's hard to take the scheme out entirely.  Maybe next year, but right now the goal should be to get better at it.

[PolishRifle]

It still remains an issue. Rice was barely a factor in the game and fumbled the ball, while Pierce was somewhat effective, even if it was against a spend Browns D late in the game.

[RobFuseRaven]

I have a hard time studying the intricacies of the offensive line during games. How did they look to you guys? I know they had trouble running. That much was obvious.

[arnie_uk]

Yea oline is something I can't really determine what's going wrong unless sits obvious your beat one on one

[CalvinSmoke]

I didn't get a chance to sit and watch this game. I'll watch later tonight

[jimjim5]

Let me start by saying that Ravens game plan and halftime adjustments were very good yesterday. Howeva, there is absolutely no excuse for a team with our personnel to not be able to run the ball with consistency and effectiveness. The bulk of our line. The ability of Rice to pick a hole and nail it or Pierce with his one cut ability and strength. There is something that just is not clicking and I can't put the blame totally on the newbie , Gradkowsk - even if he grades a little lower that Birk right now. Birk was not the most bullish in the hole either.

 

I don't see why the Ravens have this problem. The box is not being stacked against the line. Even if the opposing team's secondary doesn't respect the pass threats and sneak up to support the run, our line should still be able to block a hole up to the second tier (linebackers). This is a disturbing trend.

 

Is this personnel or coaching or the opposition just being better??? Are we overrating our line? I mean, we should be more than capable - our line is not the Pittsburgh Steelers weak OL.

 

I say it is coaching and scheme. Thoughts?

[GrimCoconut]

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/54387-continuing-issue-the-run-game/page-3#entry1586862

[jimjim5]

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/54387-continuing-issue-the-run-game/page-3#entry1586862

 

Thanks!

[GrimCoconut]

Thanks!

No problem. Run game has been uncharacteristically struggling. I think Leach is a part of that, too. I know a lot of guys won't point to him. He played better than last game but still didn't impress me a ton. I've been more impressed by his runs and catches than his blocks.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Let me start by saying that Ravens game plan and halftime adjustments were very good yesterday. Howeva, there is absolutely no excuse for a team with our personnel to not be able to run the ball with consistency and effectiveness. The bulk of our line. The ability of Rice to pick a hole and nail it or Pierce with his one cut ability and strength. There is something that just is not clicking and I can't put the blame totally on the newbie , Gradkowsk - even if he grades a little lower that Birk right now. Birk was not the most bullish in the hole either.

 

I don't see why the Ravens have this problem. The box is not being stacked against the line. Even if the opposing team's secondary doesn't respect the pass threats and sneak up to support the run, our line should still be able to block a hole up to the second tier (linebackers). This is a disturbing trend.

 

Is this personnel or coaching or the opposition just being better??? Are we overrating our line? I mean, we should be more than capable - our line is not the Pittsburgh Steelers weak OL.

 

I say it is coaching and scheme. Thoughts?

The Browns d-line has strengthened alot this offseason. They completely shutdown Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas in week 1. I think Lamar Miller's YPC avg was 0.3yds per carry which is aout as bad as it gets and as a team the Browns allowed a single yard per carry against the Dolphins. So it was moreso the matchup against the Browns.

[NaveSenrag]

Relax guys. Once Yanda comes back from that injury, everything will be fine. Talk about a guy who can elevate a unit.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Browns D-line allowed 1 yard per carry against the Dolphins last week...so they're not the same old crummy defense anymore.  I think we will lean more on the pass this year, Rice may have his 1st non 1000 yard season in like 4 years. But I think Flacco will compile the stats and take us to where we need to go.