Question about the Rocky Mountain Rainbow

[raywho1]

Obviously this is one of those things that  people will look at  and see what they want to see.  Maybe that is what I am doing.  But I see a qb moving yes, but moving forward into the throw.  And as for changing his motion, it looks pretty natural to me.  In any case, as the years go by,  I'm pretty sure some folks will have him throwing the ball 75 yards off of one knee.  Fans will be fans. 

[1/28/01]

In any case, as the years go by, I'm pretty sure some folks will have him throwing the ball 75 yards off of one knee. Fans will be fans.

To himself.

[MileHighFish]

In any case, as the years go by,  I'm pretty sure some folks will have him throwing the ball 75 yards off of one knee.  Fans will be fans. 

This made me chuckle as I remember reading a article about Jamarcus Russell's attempted comeback earlier this year in which Nick Saban talks about watching him (JR) throw a perfect pass 70 yards while on his knees:)

[PuRock]

This made me chuckle as I remember reading a article about Jamarcus Russell's attempted comeback earlier this year in which Nick Saban talks about watching him (JR) throw a perfect pass 70 yards while on his knees:)

 

We also had Boller who could throw it from his knees as well (60 yards).  Sadly, this too was the only thing he could do.  

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I also don't understand the sensitivity toward calling it a "Hail Mary".

 

Yes - there was a ton of skill involved. But if you don't think everyone on the sideline, and even Joe himself, were praying while that ball floated through the air then you're just kidding yourself. Did he mean to hit Jacoby? Yes. Was there a ton of pressure making it a highly difficult throw that not many QBs could make? Yes. Should it have been defended better? Yes.

 

And was Joe completely confident it would be a reception for a TD the second it left his hand? No.

 

We were down 7 with less than a minute and 70 yards to go. It was definitely a prayer of a throw, and there was definitely some luck involved. There was just as much skill and talent involved, but I believe heaving a ball down field at the end of a game when you absolutely need a score with barely any time left is the definition of a hail mary because youre praying that it falls to your receiver.

 

Would I have been disappointed if it had been picked off or fell incomplete? Sure, but certainly not shocked.

[PuRock]

I also don't understand the sensitivity toward calling it a "Hail Mary".

 

 

Let's not go down this route again. 

 

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/50770-the-hail-maryflacco-fling/?hl=%2Bhail+%2Bmary

[beanfigger]

Let's not go down this route again.

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/50770-the-hail-maryflacco-fling/?hl=%2Bhail+%2Bmary

That phrase, and the original play named Hail Mary for the Cowboys, was pretty similar to the Jacoby play. The context may have changed over the years, but it is pretty much a Hail Mary at it's core. It was not a jump ball, and it was aimed at a particular player due to the read on their defensive alignment, but I'm okay with the "Hail Mary" moniker here. I don't think it has to be taken in a negative context.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

That phrase, and the original play named Hail Mary for the Cowboys, was pretty similar to the Jacoby play. The context may have changed over the years, but it is pretty much a Hail Mary at it's core. It was not a jump ball, and it was aimed at a particular player due to the read on their defensive alignment, but I'm okay with the "Hail Mary" moniker here. I don't think it has to be taken in a negative context.

 

AGREED.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Let's not go down this route again. 

 

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/50770-the-hail-maryflacco-fling/?hl=%2Bhail+%2Bmary

 

But thats a negative connotation that individuals are bringing to the word.

 

The term "hail mary" started with Notre Dame and then popularized by Staubach and simply meant a long, forward pass at the end of a half or the game where there wasn't enough time to orchestrate a drive to score. Basically bc Notre Dame a catholic university would say the qb threw the ball and said a hail mary hoping they would score.

 

I can almost guarantee that's what everyone on the Ravens were doing when that ball was thrown - I know I was, and so was everyone in my family.

 

Having a receiver targeted, down and distance, have nothing to do with it. It has to do with needing to score, being at the end of the half, and not having enough time really to cover the distance with a conventional drive.

[3-4ravdef509]

Obviously this is one of those things that  people will look at  and see what they want to see.  Maybe that is what I am doing.  But I see a qb moving yes, but moving forward into the throw.  And as for changing his motion, it looks pretty natural to me.  In any case, as the years go by,  I'm pretty sure some folks will have him throwing the ball 75 yards off of one knee.  Fans will be fans. 

See, he was moving forward, but that doesn't mean he was moving forward into the throw. He was running away from the pass rush, then had to stop running to avoid running into another defender. So, he sprints, stops, and then has to heave the ball. He was smart by stopping and setting his feet first, but he didn't have time to really plant them and drive the ball with them and his body, nor did he have time to do a complete wind-up, and then he had to adjust where he released the ball; he had to release it up high and a little farther back than he normally would so the ball wouldn't be batted down.

I just don't think many quarterbacks would have had the a)pocket awareness b )throwing power and c) the ability to adjust on the fly, especially in those conditions to make that throw. And had our offensive line not been swiss cheese against a 3 man rush, Joe could have delivered a true deep pass that would have sailed much farther.

[RavensPunkXVX]

I re watched some plays from the playoffs/Super Bowl. Does anyone remember that bomb to Jacoby in the Super Bowl? Where he caught the ball, he fell down, got back up, juked a defender, and scored?

 

That play was almost identical to the one in Denver. Flacco threw on the run, Jacoby had to turn around for it, and it fell right into his arms. It was just funny how similar it was. lol

[PeRK82]

Yeah but you said strongest in the NFL. That contest doesn't support that theory even if it was true. I would say its pretty hard to determine who has the absolute strongest once it gets to a certain level. That level includes Flacco,Stafford, and Cutler among others like Arod,Vick, and RG3 possibly. I'm interested in seeing your evidence to prove he has a bigger cannon than all of these guys though. I like to brag about Flacco to other teams fans just as much as the next Raven fan, but I don't just go spouting rubbish.

 

Your really going to say RG3 and VICK can throw it farther.

Only qbs i see coming close are Stafford and Rodgers and still think Flacco can out throw them. Just look at his throwing motion. I looks too effortless with him.

[raywho1]

See, he was moving forward, but that doesn't mean he was moving forward into the throw. He was running away from the pass rush, then had to stop running to avoid running into another defender. So, he sprints, stops, and then has to heave the ball. He was smart by stopping and setting his feet first, but he didn't have time to really plant them and drive the ball with them and his body, nor did he have time to do a complete wind-up, and then he had to adjust where he released the ball; he had to release it up high and a little farther back than he normally would so the ball wouldn't be batted down.

I just don't think many quarterbacks would have had the a)pocket awareness b )throwing power and c) the ability to adjust on the fly, especially in those conditions to make that throw. And had our offensive line not been swiss cheese against a 3 man rush, Joe could have delivered a true deep pass that would have sailed much farther.

 

 

Like I said, people will see what they want to see.   Let's agree to disagree.

[3-4ravdef509]

See, he was moving forward, but that doesn't mean he was moving forward into the throw. He was running away from the pass rush, then had to stop running to avoid running into another defender. So, he sprints, stops, and then has to heave the ball. He was smart by stopping and setting his feet first, but he didn't have time to really plant them and drive the ball with them and his body, nor did he have time to do a complete wind-up, and then he had to adjust where he released the ball; he had to release it up high and a little farther back than he normally would so the ball wouldn't be batted down.
I just don't think many quarterbacks would have had the a)pocket awareness b )throwing power and c) the ability to adjust on the fly, especially in those conditions to make that throw. And had our offensive line not been swiss cheese against a 3 man rush, Joe could have delivered a true deep pass that would have sailed much farther.


Like I said, people will see what they want to see. Let's agree to disagree.

That's hardly a response, but whatever, ok.

[The Raven]

Your really going to say RG3 and VICK can throw it farther.

Only qbs i see coming close are Stafford and Rodgers and still think Flacco can out throw them. Just look at his throwing motion. I looks too effortless with him.

 

You're underrating RG3's arm strength and overrating Stafford's arm strength. RG3 has a cannon. Vick's arm isn't too far off either.

[Bltravens]

You're underrating RG3's arm strength and overrating Stafford's arm strength. RG3 has a cannon. Vick's arm isn't too far off either.

Ehh I don't know, Griffin from under 30 has a hose, like Vick it almost looks like they're throwing a baseball.  But Stafford is up there in the 65-70 yard range with Flacco.  Some guys throw hard and some guys can air it out.

[5aiah]

Your really going to say RG3 and VICK can throw it farther.

Only qbs i see coming close are Stafford and Rodgers and still think Flacco can out throw them. Just look at his throwing motion. I looks too effortless with him.

What about Cutler, and Rodgers has an amazing arm but you are overrating his power if you think RG3 and Vick can't throw as far.

[raywho1]

That's hardly a response, but whatever, ok.

What do you want me to say?  I am telling you I disagree with your interpretation of the play.  flacco did step into the throw, he wasn't under a great deal of pressure, no one was coming at him untouched, his delivery looked normal to me.  Rodgers, Roethlesberger, Brady, Vick, Stafford and some I am probably forgetting can make that play.   

[3-4ravdef509]

What do you want me to say?  I am telling you I disagree with your interpretation of the play.  flacco did step into the throw, he wasn't under a great deal of pressure, no one was coming at him untouched, his delivery looked normal to me.  Rodgers, Roethlesberger, Brady, Vick, Stafford and some I am probably forgetting can make that play.   

I really think you didn't watch the play then...because that's just wrong, I'm sorry.

[raywho1]

I really think you didn't watch the play then...because that's just wrong, I'm sorry.

I have watched it about 10 times over the last 2 days.  That is my opinion of the play.  As I have said, sometimes people see what they want to see.  Even though I believe I am being objective in my view, maybe not.  You are obviously a ravens fan, so how objective can you be? 

[3-4ravdef509]

I have watched it about 10 times over the last 2 days. That is my opinion of the play. As I have said, sometimes people see what they want to see. Even though I believe I am being objective in my view, maybe not. You are obviously a ravens fan, so how objective can you be?

It's not being objective, it's using my eyes. I don't understand how you don't see Joe running forward because of terrible offensive line play and then having to stop and throw quickly before the defender in front of him sacks him or gets in better position to bat down the pass...like how do you not see all that? Yes, he was able to set his feet and get a little step into it, but nothing close to what a normal pass would look like. He's obviously also leaning back, and releases the ball back behind his normal release and trajects the ball higher than normal. Anyone can realize that if given a clean pocket to throw in that ball would have not been as close as it was to being tipped, and Not many quarterbacks would have pulled off that throw I'm those conditions. I wouldn't have thought Joe capable of it had I not seen it. I think only Rodgers could have also managed that throw