Question about the Rocky Mountain Rainbow

[3-4ravdef509]

How exactly do people get off saying that pass was lucky, blown coverage, and a terrible throw/decision on Flacco's part?

First off, that play isn't anywhere near as lucky as the tuck rule saving the Pats in 2001. It's a football play. Either Joe was going to throw the ball far enough and it was going to be caught, or it wasn't. 

Second, I don't see how it was blown coverage, I don't think anyone of the defense was expecting a bomb on that play. The play I doubt was designed for Rahim to be thinking to look deep as Joe threw it.

Third, and the most frustrating part of it all, is how people bash Joe by saying the throw was bad and should have cost us the game. I believe quite the opposite. First off, the bomb was a brilliant call because they weren't expecting it. Second, it was a good decision because we had no timeouts, we had already used up too much time to dream of driving down the field to score any other way if you think about it, and Jones did get behind the corner and Rahim, though I don't blame him, wasn't quite in position to defend. Here's what gets me: If our offensive line (which played well throughout most of the playoffs I know) had given Joe more than 1 second to stand in the pocket - AGAINST A 3 MAN RUSH? - and Joe hadn't had to run around and then throw the ball while he had all this going on: he had just been running forward to avoid a sack, he had a defender in front of him who was going to either try and hit him or batt the pass down, and so he had to run forward, quickly stop, basically through it off his back foot because he didn't have time to set his feet completely and there was a defender there in front of him. So he had to throw it quickly with little space, so throwing it farther back and behind him was smart because it would have time and space to clear over the top of the defender in front of him. So, keep in mind all of the complicated nonsense going on, he's doing that after been playing and throwing it deep all game, in the coldest game most anyone there had ever played in the the atmospheric conditions of Denver, he had to throw the ball 55 yards in the air despite all these conditions -the cold, the air, fatigue, and no space-time-pocket to throw it, in fact he had to throw it in probably the mot awkward way possible and quickly as possible. So many thing s could have gone wrong, in fact, basically everything did go wrong except one thing: Joe. He managed to throw that ball through all that crap, so here's my final thoughts: If our o line hadn't laid a turd on that play, how much easier and less close would that throw have been? And then, tell me, what other quarterback could make that play? And then do almost the same thing to the same player two weeks later in the Superbowl?

 

Forget Chuck Norris man, Flacco's a stud.

[The Raven]

Because Denver fans (and all other fans) are ( not nice) hurt that the Ravens beat Manning in his own stadium. That's why they say it was a bad throw, or a blown coverage, or whatever. They're just salty.

Who cares what they say anyway?

[sflegend89]

* Mile High Miracle. Sound way cooler and we gotta stick with one name for it to get the recognition it deserves years from now.

 

I totally see why Rahim Moore mis-judged that ball, Flacco has a cannon and his wr's no that better then anyone.. Moore just didn't anticipate how far Flacco could really launch that ball even under duress. I'm sure he didn't see that kind of arm strength all year in practice from Peyton.

[3-4ravdef509]

* Mile High Miracle. Sound way cooler and we gotta stick with one name for it to get the recognition it deserves years from now.

 

I totally see why Rahim Moore mis-judged that ball, Flacco has a cannon and his wr's no that better then anyone.. Moore just didn't anticipate how far Flacco could really launch that ball even under duress. I'm sure he didn't see that kind of arm strength all year in practice from Peyton.

See, I thought the game was called Mile High Miracle and the play itself was called the rocky mountain rainbow

[3-4ravdef509]

Because Denver fans (and all other fans) are ( not nice) hurt that the Ravens beat Manning in his own stadium. That's why they say it was a bad throw, or a blown coverage, or whatever. They're just salty.

Who cares what they say anyway?

I just don't understand blatent bias.
If Matt Ryan made that play, I would have said "Holy crap, That was an amazing play, Matt Ryan did all that? wow!"
Flacco does it and gets made fun of

[JEEPercreepermd]

The tears flowing from Denver were and still are DELICIOUS.
call it what you want..but Broncos fans seem to forget that it only tied the game. They had their opportunity in overtime to win it...they didn't come through, we did..let em cry and enjoy it.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I just don't understand blatent bias.

If Matt Ryan made that play, I would have said "Holy crap, That was an amazing play, Matt Ryan did all that? wow!"

Flacco does it and gets made fun of 

 

It's not bias (at least on Denver fans' part), it's just making excuses.

Rahim Moore made the wrong decision on that play.  The ball was thrown short by Joe (though it was off his back foot).  Jacoby had slowed down once on his route, then sprinted behind the corner and safety and slowed down again before he caught the ball.

 

It's not luck.  It was the failure by Denver's secondary to defend the deep ball.

 

The throw could have been better (in a perfect world), like the ones to Torrey were earlier in the game.  But even though the throw wasn't perfect, Moore still screwed up on the play.  If he had continued running towards Jacoby and didn't jump up to try and tip the ball, the ball likely would have hit him square in the back.

 

That's the game of football.  Many Denver fans tried to place blame on everything other than their own team after the loss.  But in the end, it all comes down to the failure of their secondary, and the poor decision by Manning to throw back across his body during overtime.

[funky141]

Blown coverage or not, miracle or not, lucky or not, the simple fact is..........

Rahim Moore mis-judged that ball.

[3-4ravdef509]

It's not bias (at least on Denver fans' part), it's just making excuses.
Rahim Moore made the wrong decision on that play. The ball was thrown short by Joe (though it was off his back foot). Jacoby had slowed down once on his route, then sprinted behind the corner and safety and slowed down again before he caught the ball.

It's not luck. It was the failure by Denver's secondary to defend the deep ball.

The throw could have been better (in a perfect world), like the ones to Torrey were earlier in the game. But even though the throw wasn't perfect, Moore still screwed up on the play. If he had continued running towards Jacoby and didn't jump up to try and tip the ball, the ball likely would have hit him square in the back.

That's the game of football. Many Denver fans tried to place blame on everything other than their own team after the loss. But in the end, it all comes down to the failure of their secondary, and the poor decision by Manning to throw back across his body during overtime.

my point is that I don't understand why the emphasis is on what Rahim moore did, and not how Joe Flacco made such a difficult throw. I don't think any other quarterback in that weed, except maybe Aaron Rodgers, would have made that throw. tell me that play defined what you want out of a elite quarterback: to be able to make the throw that is needed despite the circumstances going on around you

[Cville-Raven]

How exactly do people get off saying that pass was lucky, blown coverage, and a terrible throw/decision on Flacco's part?
First off, that play isn't anywhere near as lucky as the tuck rule saving the Pats in 2001. It's a football play. Either Joe was going to throw the ball far enough and it was going to be caught, or it wasn't.
Second, I don't see how it was blown coverage, I don't think anyone of the defense was expecting a bomb on that play. The play I doubt was designed for Rahim to be thinking to look deep as Joe threw it.
Third, and the most frustrating part of it all, is how people bash Joe by saying the throw was bad and should have cost us the game. I believe quite the opposite. First off, the bomb was a brilliant call because they weren't expecting it. Second, it was a good decision because we had no timeouts, we had already used up too much time to dream of driving down the field to score any other way if you think about it, and Jones did get behind the corner and Rahim, though I don't blame him, wasn't quite in position to defend. Here's what gets me: If our offensive line (which played well throughout most of the playoffs I know) had given Joe more than 1 second to stand in the pocket - AGAINST A 3 MAN RUSH? - and Joe hadn't had to run around and then throw the ball while he had all this going on: he had just been running forward to avoid a sack, he had a defender in front of him who was going to either try and hit him or batt the pass down, and so he had to run forward, quickly stop, basically through it off his back foot because he didn't have time to set his feet completely and there was a defender there in front of him. So he had to throw it quickly with little space, so throwing it farther back and behind him was smart because it would have time and space to clear over the top of the defender in front of him. So, keep in mind all of the complicated nonsense going on, he's doing that after been playing and throwing it deep all game, in the coldest game most anyone there had ever played in the the atmospheric conditions of Denver, he had to throw the ball 55 yards in the air despite all these conditions -the cold, the air, fatigue, and no space-time-pocket to throw it, in fact he had to throw it in probably the mot awkward way possible and quickly as possible. So many thing s could have gone wrong, in fact, basically everything did go wrong except one thing: Joe. He managed to throw that ball through all that crap, so here's my final thoughts: If our o line hadn't laid a turd on that play, how much easier and less close would that throw have been? And then, tell me, what other quarterback could make that play? And then do almost the same thing to the same player two weeks later in the Superbowl?

Forget Chuck Norris man, Flacco's a stud.

Because on that day Flacco showed Manning how to throw a spiral.

[Cville-Raven]

Because on that day Flacco showed manning how to throw a spiral.

[Corvus]

* Mile High Miracle. Sound way cooler and we gotta stick with one name for it to get the recognition it deserves years from now.

I totally see why Rahim Moore mis-judged that ball, Flacco has a cannon and his wr's no that better then anyone.. Moore just didn't anticipate how far Flacco could really launch that ball even under duress. I'm sure he didn't see that kind of arm strength all year in practice from Peyton.

For fans of football history, "mile high miracle" has been unofficially attached to various Broncos games: the loss to Jacksonville in the '96-'97 playoffs, Tebow beating the Steelers, etc. Its not original at all and it implies the Ravens won only because of a "miracle" play and miracle also implies in my mind that they didn't play well enough to even get to that point, which I dont care for as a fan of the Ravens. That's why I always liked Chris Berman's "Rocky Mountain Rainbow" better (he's the first I heard say it after it happened so I assume he startes it), perfect name for a single play which is what were really talking about. Its semantics so it doesn't really matter, just wanted to jump in with the OP on that naming, its the term I will always associate it with.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

my point is that I don't understand why the emphasis is on what Rahim moore did, and not how Joe Flacco made such a difficult throw. I don't think any other quarterback in that weed, except maybe Aaron Rodgers, would have made that throw. tell me that play defined what you want out of a elite quarterback: to be able to make the throw that is needed despite the circumstances going on around you

 

When we are losing a game, and the other team's offense is throwing all over the field on us, what are people saying in the gameday thread?

 

"Our defense is horrendous."   "What's up with our defense."   "Our coverage sucks."

 

You don't see posts about how amazing the other team's offense is.  That's the nature of the game. 

 

If our offense is doing well, then we say our offense is doing well, not that the other team's defense is playing poorly.  In that same moment, the team we are playing against is saying that their defense is playing poorly, not that our offense is doing well.

 

That is, for the most part, how it works.  We are biased because we are fans.  We don't see the conclusions as a result of the other team's play, we see them as a result of our own play.

[3-4ravdef509]

When we are losing a game, and the other team's offense is throwing all over the field on us, what are people saying in the gameday thread?

"Our defense is horrendous." "What's up with our defense." "Our coverage sucks."

You don't see posts about how amazing the other team's offense is. That's the nature of the game.

If our offense is doing well, then we say our offense is doing well, not that the other team's defense is playing poorly. In that same moment, the team we are playing against is saying that their defense is playing poorly, not that our offense is doing well.

That is, for the most part, how it works. We are biased because we are fans. We don't see the conclusions as a result of the other team's play, we see them as a result of our own play.

You're still missing my point

[Greatness]

It will always be known to me as The F-Bomb. Because [b]The Mighty Joe Flacco[/b] did the following...

 

1) Say "F- it, I'm going deep"

2) He threw the ball 60 or so yards as it shot through the sky like a missle

3) Because he's a beast!

 

Screw all the haters! The only lucky thing to happen in the NFL the last two years is Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff betraying us.

[flaccopoe]

Some ice cream entrepreneur in Baltimore should make a Rocky Mountain Rainbow ice cream!

[A Fish Called Yanda]

You're still missing my point

 

The throw wasn't perfect - that's why people say it was luck/blown coverage etc.

 

If Joe had thrown the ball in-stride w/ Jacoby who was streaking down the sideline, then the media may have given more credit to Joe on the throw.  The play was not pretty.  Our O-line barely managed to block 3 rushers, the throw was under thrown, and Rahim Moore did completely screw up on the play.  It's very easy for everyone to point to all of that and say "oh, the Ravens just got lucky."

[ravensfan2430]

You mean the Joecoby Bomb?

[MrPlankton]

The throw wasn't perfect - that's why people say it was luck/blown coverage etc.

 

If Joe had thrown the ball in-stride w/ Jacoby who was streaking down the sideline, then the media may have given more credit to Joe on the throw.  The play was not pretty.  Our O-line barely managed to block 3 rushers, the throw was under thrown, and Rahim Moore did completely screw up on the play.  It's very easy for everyone to point to all of that and say "oh, the Ravens just got lucky."

 

Yeah, but you gotta consider the conditions. Season on the line, 30 seconds to go, deciding whether to check it down to Rice for the first, windy, cold conditions, etc.

[waxytaxi]

haha i always laugh because Staubach's hail mary was a PI on pearson, the famous catch joe montana was throwing the ball away, the immaculate reception was all luck as well. heck what happens if nick harper decides to stay to the right and ben doesnt save the game. Yet flacco's miricle was bogus haha  

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Yeah, but you gotta consider the conditions. Season on the line, 30 seconds to go, deciding whether to check it down to Rice for the first, windy, cold conditions, etc.

 

I wholeheartedly agree - I'm just being the devil's advocate here.

 

I think the play was amazing.  It was Joe's skill as a QB to even be able to identify Jacoby streaking down the right side of the field, while avoiding a sack, and to throw the ball off of his back foot 50 yards down the field.

 

But other teams' fans, and the media "analysts" don't see it that way.  They see it as luck because the play was not perfect.

[Bltravens]

Blown coverage or not, miracle or not, lucky or not, the simple fact is..........

Rahim Moore mis-judged that ball.

 

It was an amazing play, one Im still in awe of, but Moore badly misplayed the ball.  Having said that though, sometimes when I was playing myself I know some QBs had this little extra giddyup when throwing, it just carried further than you anticipated.  Its not as simple as saying he throws far, just the ball doesn't go where it seems like its supposed to.  Almost like a small breeze hits it halfway through the air.  I don't know, anyone else had this happen to them in a game?

Because on that day Flacco showed manning how to throw a spiral.

And this is without a doubt the other half of it, Manning was throwing straight ducks the entire game.  Was actually surprised our guys didn't make more breaks on some of his passes.

[PuRock]

 

"Hmph. Lucky. Heh. Skill. Heh. A Jedi worries not these things."

 

Who really cares.  We won the game.  We wouldn't be the first one to win a SB with such a 'lucky' play.  

[ellicottraven]

How exactly do people get off saying that pass was lucky, blown coverage, and a terrible throw/decision on Flacco's part?
First off, that play isn't anywhere near as lucky as the tuck rule saving the Pats in 2001. It's a football play. Either Joe was going to throw the ball far enough and it was going to be caught, or it wasn't. 
Second, I don't see how it was blown coverage, I don't think anyone of the defense was expecting a bomb on that play. The play I doubt was designed for Rahim to be thinking to look deep as Joe threw it.
Third, and the most frustrating part of it all, is how people bash Joe by saying the throw was bad and should have cost us the game. I believe quite the opposite. First off, the bomb was a brilliant call because they weren't expecting it. Second, it was a good decision because we had no timeouts, we had already used up too much time to dream of driving down the field to score any other way if you think about it, and Jones did get behind the corner and Rahim, though I don't blame him, wasn't quite in position to defend. Here's what gets me: If our offensive line (which played well throughout most of the playoffs I know) had given Joe more than 1 second to stand in the pocket - AGAINST A 3 MAN RUSH? - and Joe hadn't had to run around and then throw the ball while he had all this going on: he had just been running forward to avoid a sack, he had a defender in front of him who was going to either try and hit him or batt the pass down, and so he had to run forward, quickly stop, basically through it off his back foot because he didn't have time to set his feet completely and there was a defender there in front of him. So he had to throw it quickly with little space, so throwing it farther back and behind him was smart because it would have time and space to clear over the top of the defender in front of him. So, keep in mind all of the complicated nonsense going on, he's doing that after been playing and throwing it deep all game, in the coldest game most anyone there had ever played in the the atmospheric conditions of Denver, he had to throw the ball 55 yards in the air despite all these conditions -the cold, the air, fatigue, and no space-time-pocket to throw it, in fact he had to throw it in probably the mot awkward way possible and quickly as possible. So many thing s could have gone wrong, in fact, basically everything did go wrong except one thing: Joe. He managed to throw that ball through all that crap, so here's my final thoughts: If our o line hadn't laid a turd on that play, how much easier and less close would that throw have been? And then, tell me, what other quarterback could make that play? And then do almost the same thing to the same player two weeks later in the Superbowl?
 
Forget Chuck Norris man, Flacco's a stud.

"And then, tell me, what other quarterback could make that play? And then do almost the same thing to the same player two weeks later in the Superbowl?" - To quote papa Harbs - NOBODY!!!!!!

[raywho1]

I think most of you would admit that under the same conditions that play is broken up more often than not.  And even though I am not a fan, I will agree that flacco has an outstanding arm.  But there are other qbs in the league who could make that throw, and he did step into it, it wasn't off his back foot as some are claiming. For the most part, when something like this play happens, the fans of the team on the losing end are most likely going to feel that the other team got lucky. Human nature.

[berad]

I think most of you would admit that under the same conditions that play is broken up more often than not.  And even though I am not a fan, I will agree that flacco has an outstanding arm.  But there are other qbs in the league who could make that throw, and he did step into it, it wasn't off his back foot as some are claiming. For the most part, when something like this play happens, the fans of the team on the losing end are most likely going to feel that the other team got lucky. Human nature.

 

That's fine. As long as they can admit they were lucky to get a punt and kick return TD in the same game.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I think most of you would admit that under the same conditions that play is broken up more often than not.  And even though I am not a fan, I will agree that flacco has an outstanding arm.  But there are other qbs in the league who could make that throw, and he did step into it, it wasn't off his back foot as some are claiming. For the most part, when something like this play happens, the fans of the team on the losing end are most likely going to feel that the other team got lucky. Human nature.

 

You've already admitted that you think it was luck.  Which team are you a fan of?

[1/28/01]

Yes, there was some luck involved. Doesn't change the outcome. Whatever...

[NaveSenrag]

Does it really matter that it was a lucky play?

[The Raven]

That's fine. As long as they can admit they were lucky to get a punt and kick return TD in the same game.

 

Bingo