Turnovers becoming a trend this preseason

[arnie_uk]

He was all over the park. Would have loved him last year. He was my number one guy then teo went back to school

[SeaHawk]

Flacco's first INT was solely on Doss, the Kuechly INT was a beast play that other Lb's would not have made. But even with that said, we all know that Flacco is a gunslinger. With a gunslinger at QB, you get awesome plays one minute that makes a highlight reel, then the next minute, the guy is throwing an INT because he's forcing the ball relying on his arm strength to get it there. That's how he's been his whole entire career. He isn't just going to magically change that overnight. Heck, Favre is a hall of famer... but he was a gunslinger who has the most INT's over a career. Add to it the fact that we have pretty much an entirely different receiving corps with the exception of Smith, and you'll get those INT's because of sheer miscommunication. Be patient. At least our D is playing lights out.

[dirtybird10]

Neither of the INTs were Flacco's fault.  Doss ran the wrong route on a blitz play and thus Flacco threw into thin air.  Kuechly just made a beast play on the other INT.

 

The one to Kuechly was definitely on Flacco, no way no how it is not. You have to see a Linebacker watching you standing right next to your receiver. Kuechly just jumped the route because he was sitting on it. The second one, I could not see a good enough angle, but it is clear that Flacco and Doss were not on the same page.

[gabefergy]

Neither of the INTs were Flacco's fault. Doss ran the wrong route on a blitz play and thus Flacco threw into thin air. Kuechly just made a beast play on the other INT.

The second play was on Flacco, but overall I think he played well. I'm not overly concerned about the turnovers.

[RedFire]

The one to Kuechly was definitely on Flacco, no way no how it is not. You have to see a Linebacker watching you standing right next to your receiver. Kuechly just jumped the route because he was sitting on it. The second one, I could not see a good enough angle, but it is clear that Flacco and Doss were not on the same page.

 

it was a classic madden blitz play. LB sits on the hot guy in the middle. Every NFL linebacker will make that play.....they might not catch it, but it will be bated down. 

 

Maybe Joe never played madden.....or NFL players are cocky about windows. But none throws that pass even playing flag football unless there is a size advantage and that is risky too. 

[GrimCoconut]

Besides that Atlanta game (exception of Webbie) our first team defense hasn't been on the field that much though...especially last night.

What are you saying? Our first team defense was on the field for quite a while last night.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2nd INT was absolutely on Flacco. I don't even think it was a great play by Kuechly. He just read Joe's eyes, Joe stared Shank down and tried to force an impossible throw. 9 out 10 LBs jump that route and break it up, most catch it too. It was as easy of a pick that a LB will ever have. Joe never even looked at another option, it was so obvious.

 

1st was clearly on Doss.

 

Other than turnovers we played well. We finally had some rhythm on offense and moved the ball. The running game looked alright finally. Oline was poor for the most part and we still played ok.

 

I don't think Joe forces some of these throws in the regular season, hes just trying to see which of his targets can win a 1-on-1 in a tight spot to make a play. Anyone can make the easy catches, but this is to find out who he can go to to make a play on 3rd and long when a 1st down seals the game, or in the red zone down a TD.

 

You have to be excited about Brown and Mellette... Mellette had some expectations, but def not as a contributor this year, and Brown had no expectations whatsoever. If they see the field (which they should if winning reps is based on play not on rep-utation) then getting anything out of those 2 is a huge bonus for this offense.

[izvoodoo]

Disagree.

That second one was on him.

[good_n_purple]

The one to Kuechly was definitely on Flacco, no way no how it is not. You have to see a Linebacker watching you standing right next to your receiver. Kuechly just jumped the route because he was sitting on it. The second one, I could not see a good enough angle, but it is clear that Flacco and Doss were not on the same page.

It seems like Flacco is still in "Q-Mode", fully expecting the receiver to wrestle for the ball.

[dirtybird10]

It seems like Flacco is still in "Q-Mode", fully expecting the receiver to wrestle for the ball.

True, but even Q would have had a hard time with how Kueckly broke on that ball. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

That first drive is how our offense should run and could run as long as that O-line holds up. They made the Panthers look spectacular. If Joe gets time, he makes the passes. I've noticed on the turnovers, he is eyeing down receivers, I'm not sure if that's because he's trying to give them a chance, and forcing balls or what, but it's always clear who he's throwing too.

 

The offense has huge upside if Stokley starts making his plays, I'd really like to see Marlon get some playing time in the regular season. If those two can get some chemistry with Flacco and put them alongside Jacoby/Smith, we should be alright through the air. 

 

I hope Flacco gets all of his INTs out of his system. lol. Our run game got some huge holes during the game. I saw a lot of good things. Our pass rush looks pretty good. I'm excited for that defense. I'm hoping to see more turnovers and I think we will once that rush picks up. I'm excited for this Ravens team. 

[ravensfan160]

Have to say though...4 picks in three games is ugly.

 

I don't think Joe even looked at Torrey last night. It seems clear to me that they were forcing the balls to the young WRs to see if any of them step up. When week 1 comes you'll see more of Smith and Dickson and we'll be fine.

[Juviebest]

What are you saying? Our first team defense was on the field for quite a while last night.

Didn't seem like it with the 3 and outs for Carolina and our offense and special teams giving up TD's and thus putting the offense back on the field.

[callahan09]

Disagree.

That's a totally valueless contribution to the discussion.  How about you explain what you disagree with and why?  Both points he made?  Just one of the points?  What are your reasons?

[callahan09]

Stop trying to excuse Flacco of everything. The first INT was 100% Doss but the second was all on Joe. I don't really care that much though, better he test the limits of what he can rifle in now.

Quick question... all that ball hawking that Ed Reed did during his time here, some of those excellent interceptions he came down with... Would you say that was just all on the receiver or the QB doing the wrong thing?  That any DB would have made those plays, and it didn't matter that it was Ed Reed, it was just some guy in the right place at the right time?

 

I don't think so.

 

Some defenders are just excellent players, they read the situation, they watch the receivers and QB and they anticipate the ball and they make a play.  Kuechly is an excellent player.  You don't just say it was 100% on Joe or Shiancoe on that play... there are many, many defenders in this league that if they were there instead of Kuechly, that's a completion instead of an INT.  You have to give credit to the fact that sometimes defenders are just good and make a play.

 

Of course, I'm not excusing our offense in that.  But the responsibility for that play lies partly on Flacco for telegraphing the throw, partly on Shiancoe for standing stationary staring at the ball as it comes to him rather than fighting for it and going to the ball (our receivers seem to have a habit of waiting for the ball to come to them, which is a bad habit to have), and of course partly on Kuechly for making an excellent play.

 

Oh, and none of this really matters anyway.  Joe isn't trying to avoid telegraphing his throws, and he's not trying to go through his normal reads... he is trying to test certain players in certain situations.  That's what pre-season is explicitly for... they're just trying to see who can do what, so some of these plays are supposed to go to certain guys.  Of course in those situations you have telegraphed passes, because the QB is trying to make a certain player get involved.  This is different for the backups because they are fighting for a roster spot and to prove something to their bosses and the rest of the league.  They play the game to showcase themselves.  The established starters like Flacco and Brady make more "mistakes" in the pre-season than their backups often do, because they don't have anything to prove, and they aren't playing to showcase themselves, but to see what their supporting cast can do.  They play differently than they usually would.  It's pretty obvious, I think.

[GrimCoconut]

I think the Visanthe INT is on Joe bit with that said Visanthe contributed for sure. Joe shouldn't have thrown the ball but then again Visanthe shouldn't have stood there waiting for it like a statue. It's no wonder Luke (who has some of the best instincts I've seen) diagnosed that play. Also, Visanthe should've come back to the ball.

[Guest RBates]

Of course Joe is staring down his targets.  Last year he knew every route every guy would take and knew that whomever it was would make the right read.  He had faith in a number of targets and well, we won a Super Bowl.  This preseason?  He's gotta make sure a guy's gonna be where he's gonna be.  Honestly, Brown was one of the few guys Joe has just been winging it to without waiting a long time; Marlon's gonna make the 53 easily.  

All of this is the reason why you keep your players together.