Ravens Trade WR/KR David Reed to Colts for RB Delone Carter

[The Raven]

Getting rid of guys competing for that job isn't the answer either. Reed showed flashes here and there, the coaches have talked him up ever since he got drafted, he had a decent shot at doing something solid at WR, rather than just being a return guy. Whether he'd ever end up being a #1 receiver isn't the issue, but he'd give the other young guys a run for it and that's what we won't have now, one less guy to push the rest. And I'm not sure if it saves any money, it's not like he made a lot of money, barely anything, and the new guy probably makes around the same I'd assume. But we'll see.

 

David Reed hasn't done jack. Period. He wasn't even getting reps at WR in our two preseason games. He was hardly "competing." 

[rmw10]

Maybe someone should make a new thread about these rumors? It seems a bit odd to be reading about it on a thread about trading David Reed.

These "rumors" have no basis. It's people thinking that any time even the slightest amount of money is saved, that it must mean we're poised for a big move.

[arnie_uk]

David Reed hasn't done jack. Period. He wasn't even getting reps at WR in our two preseason games. He was hardly "competing."

this is the facts

[arnie_uk]

These "rumors" have no basis. It's people thinking that any time even the slightest amount of money is saved, that it must mean we're poised for a big move.

i don't think the issue here is money, people see us loading the running back position and assume rice is now expendable

[SeaHawk]

i don't think the issue here is money, people see us loading the running back position and assume rice is now expendable

 

This is, indeed, a passing league now. Many superbowl winning teams in recent history only had a runningback by committee approach to that position, and they still won because of their passing game. You are indeed correct in stating that Rice is expendable. Pierce showed enough last season to tell us that he would make a great starter one day. I'm not saying that his day is this year, but its coming. Watch out for the big trade.

[PuRock]

Ppl think Pierce is good enough, and that this makes Rice expendable.

That is a separate argument though, the Carter trade has no bearing on that thought. He probably won't even make the team.

[rmw10]

i don't think the issue here is money, people see us loading the running back position and assume rice is now expendable

That too. Still, there's no basis. It's all speculation.

[radicals]

These "rumors" have no basis. It's people thinking that any time even the slightest amount of money is saved, that it must mean we're poised for a big move.

Yeah I know, I don't know where to even start with the rumors. Whenever I hear them, I take them with a grain of salt because you never know. I just meant there was still a discussion on the fact that we're saving money by sending Reed to the Colts might get confusing with the sudden thought we're going to trade Ray Rice.

[SecretAgentMan]

That is a separate argument though, the Carter trade has no bearing on that thought. He probably won't even make the team.

I never said I'd agree too it lol.

Carter is a solid RB #3. We need insurance.

Pierce is a physical runner and might get hurt. Backup for a backup

[Bullrush]

David Reed hasn't done jack. Period. He wasn't even getting reps at WR in our two preseason games. He was hardly "competing." 

 

First of all Reed was banged up, he's been sitting out practices, Number two I was quoting Harbs who just a few days ago said that there will be a real strong competition at WR while mentioning Reed as well, and that it would be fun to see how that shakes out. I'll take his word over yours, no offense.

[SeaHawk]

First of all Reed was banged up, he's been sitting out practices, Number two I was quoting Harbs who just a few days ago said that there will be a real strong competition at WR while mentioning Reed as well, and that it would be fun to see how that shakes out. I'll take his word over yours, no offense.

 

Maybe something popped up as far as a second trade that is unbeknownst to us yet that required us to stock up on the RB position....

[BMORE_96]

Maybe someone should make a new thread about these rumors? It seems a bit odd to be reading about it on a thread about trading David Reed.

I think I might do that. I think the suspense is killing everyone. A bunch of small salary cuts, releases, and trades for the big one. Rice just made the most sense to me. I understand if it wont to the rest of you.  

[SeaHawk]

I think I might do that. I think the suspense is killing everyone. A bunch of small salary cuts, releases, and trades for the big one. Rice just made the most sense to me. I understand if it wont to the rest of you.  

 

Go ahead and make it, my brother.

[The Raven]

First of all Reed was banged up, he's been sitting out practices, Number two I was quoting Harbs who just a few days ago said that there will be a real strong competition at WR while mentioning Reed as well, and that it would be fun to see how that shakes out. I'll take his word over yours, no offense.

 

First, that's only half true. He missed the first game, and then he came back.

 

Second, coach speak. Learn it. He was barely on the field during the games, and reporters didn't mention his performance in camp. He has done zilch. Nada. Nothing. Period. 

 

Third, if he was doing that well, I'm inclined to think we would have kept him.

[The Raven]

Maybe something popped up as far as a second trade that is unbeknownst to us yet that required us to stock up on the RB position....

 

Please shoot me a PM. I am just dying to know the situation.

[1/28/01]

Please shoot me a PM. I am just dying to know the situation.

And then you PM me and I will be hush hush. Me promise.

[nk02442]

I think this makes zero sense, and yes Rice is untouchable.

Rice is replaceable. He is a waste of money and a horrible value

 

Rule #1......Never pay a RB not named AP.  Rice has become an average to below avg RB... his real value is catching balls out of the backfield.

 

If they want to move the chance, Benard will be in.

[nk02442]

Trade Rice for Demarius Thomas 

 

They need a RB and we Need a #1 WR

 

Get it done ozzie

[gabefergy]

Rice is replaceable. He is a waste of money and a horrible value

 

Rule #1......Never pay a RB not named AP.  Rice has become an average to below avg RB... his real value is catching balls out of the backfield.

 

If they want to move the chance, Benard will be in.

Besides the obvious financial reasons not to trade Rice, it isnt happening. Pierce has yet to prove he is capable of being a workhorse and Rice is far too valuable to trade. 

[ghost1986]

Rice is replaceable. He is a waste of money and a horrible value

 

Rule #1......Never pay a RB not named AP.  Rice has become an average to below avg RB... his real value is catching balls out of the backfield.

 

If they want to move the chance, Benard will be in.

Um...what? Is this guy serious?

[K-Dog]

head scratcher for me too.

 

We have ample RB's, and ST players...

[gabefergy]

Um...what? Is this guy serious?

Some people just don't understand how the NFL works.

[SeaHawk]

Besides the obvious financial reasons not to trade Rice, it isnt happening. Pierce has yet to prove he is capable of being a workhorse and Rice is far too valuable to trade. 

 

One thing I have issue with is the far too valuable part... most teams don't even have a number one runningback. Most just have a RBC approach. And these teams, for the most part, do great offensively, ranking consistently in the top 5. Before the Ravens, there hasn't really been a team to win the Super Bowl in recent history with a primary runningback. Giants are RBC... Packers are RBC... Steelers were RBC.

[ghost1986]

Some people just don't understand how the NFL works.

I mean I don't either. I'm terrible when it comes to draft prospects and talking about schemes and a lot of times I'm too harsh on some players (namely Jimmy Smith I gotta give the guy a chance), but really?

[nk02442]

Um...what? Is this guy serious?

Rice's production is not close to what other guys are doing for 1/10th the money. Paying a RB is a STUPID move that idiot GM's make unless they are once in a generation backs like Sanders, Smith, Tomilson or AP.

 

Rice's production has gone down hill over the years. The only reason his avg is what it is, is that he will break a big one every once in a while. You need more consitancy from your back to sustain drives and get 1st downs/more managemeble 3rds.

 

He is not even close to worth $10M a year. I have a feeling after his Guarenteed money is gone, he will be cut. They knew this all along. We can draft another ray rice and pay him $500K a year for 4 years.

 

You spend your money on hard to find possitions like Tackles, Pass Rushers, Recievers, Corners and QB's (good ones don't make it to free agency often).

[nk02442]

Some people just don't understand how the NFL works.

Oh yea? Care to elaberate?

 

I have forgot more about the NFL than you will ever know.

[ravensfan160]

Trade Rice for Demarius Thomas 

 

They need a RB and we Need a #1 WR

 

Get it done ozzie

:34853_doh:

 

Ignoring all of the obvious reasons why this will never happen, let me point to the salary cap. Denver could not absorb Rice's salary. Thomas is still on his cap friendly rookie deal.

[rmw10]

Oh yea? Care to elaberate?

I have forgot more about the NFL than you will ever know.

Have you even considered the money aspect? It costs us more than we'd save if we traded him.

[hawkprey]

One thing I have issue with is the far too valuable part... most teams don't even have a number one runningback. Most just have a RBC approach. And these teams, for the most part, do great offensively, ranking consistently in the top 5. Before the Ravens, there hasn't really been a team to win the Super Bowl in recent history with a primary runningback. Giants are RBC... Packers are RBC... Steelers were RBC.

That doesn't really mean anything though. Most teams are runningback by committee. The ones that aren't (I'd guess) are the ones with no good QB because they don't worry about substituting runningbacks based on pass protection skill. They need that stud RB there all the time because he's their best threat. Also, teams without a great RB run the ball less and therefore inflate their yardage stats, vaulting them into the top 5 on paper alone.

 

You could also look at the recent Super Bowl winners and incorrectly conclude that having a bye week (and playing at home) actually hurts your team in the playoffs. Which a lot of people are starting to do. 

[gabefergy]

One thing I have issue with is the far too valuable part... most teams don't even have a number one runningback. Most just have a RBC approach. And these teams, for the most part, do great offensively, ranking consistently in the top 5. Before the Ravens, there hasn't really been a team to win the Super Bowl in recent history with a primary runningback. Giants are RBC... Packers are RBC... Steelers were RBC.

None of those teams would be RBC if they had a RB worth toting the rock 20 times, in fact all 3 of those teams are gravitating towards focusing on 1 primary back. The only team that truly is a RBC and is effective with it is NO, and they have at least 2 RBs that are extremely skilled in their roles. Financially, they are paying their 3 RBs just about as much as we pay Rice and he has the production of at least 2 of them combined. If you can get 1 player to do 2 players work it makes your offense more versatile and harder to defend.