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QB Joe Flacco

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Who is Joe throwing the ball to, Mason ? Todd Heap ?

 

Manning has had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in the same huddle.  Until we get Joe a WR he can grow with, what can be expected of him. Brady has had Welker and Randy Moss.

 

Flacco has been in the play offs every season of his career. We were one dropped bowl from consecutive Super Bowls.  We had a poor offensive co ordinator for the first part of his career.  Firing Cam Cam was a major improvement, and it should help Joe.

 

If our Great Front Office would get us a couple of decent WR's, it may help.

 

Do you want %, and stats, or wins and rings ?

 

Give it a break.

 

In Manning's case the Colts literally bent over backwards catering to him - they drafted a receiver in the second round (pick 32, would have been considered a first round pick today) his rookie season, another in the third round that year.  Then, in just first and second rounders alone - 3 runningbacks, 2 tight ends, not to mention he had Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison already there.  In six drafts, Joe has gotten Ray Rice and Torrey Smith.  Another guy you could point to is Andy Dalton - Gresham, Green, and Eifert all in the first round since 2010.  I can imagine what Skip Bayless would say if we spent that kind of draft ammo on receivers and running backs "see, Flacco is so bad they have to surround him with elite talent just to stay competitive, at the expense of their defense".

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You are completely missing the point with the first paragraph. I'm saying Joe has room to improve and will do so like Brady did at this time in his career but that he isn't there yet. The others are saying he is already there and has great accuracy,which he doesn't. Stop trying to skew the argument. Also will point out one last time how ironic it is that Flacco is exempt from criticism when its stats based but everyone rushes for stats to defend him when the criticism comes from actually watching football. Brady completes much more difficult finesse passes and again using completion percentage is not the best indicator of accuracy.  

 

Completely untrue.  And your accuracy percentage PFF formula is garbage too - I've seen PFF's "drops" list, and Joe is always given fewer drops than other websites give him.  Who defines the drop, PFF, therefore that argument is automatically biased.  Their formula makes a 5 yard pass to be equivalent to a 25 yard pass, and any fifth grader will tell you it's harder to be more accurate on a deep ball than a short ball.  You seem not to be able to admit a simple fact - Joe throws mainly deep passes, so of course he's not going to have an overall higher completion percentage than quarterbacks who throw short passes.  It's very simple, very easy to understand.

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Joe Flacco is a champion so if he goes to denver and throws like he did in the preseason week minus the INTs we will win . Flacco  threw td passes in the preaseason. ravens can keep make in exsplosive wins if we start trying winning every game in the 1st nd 2nd QTR like in the preseason games. But i  joe flacco need to throw them passe like he thrown to jacoby in the 1st and second quater to win games.ALL the ravens can do now is flip those plays that Joe move the chains because the other teams probably know when joe ready to float the ball up the field its hard to do that when a good defenese know. do joe gotta good way of showing that, so we gotta be precise everyone and learn when we make mistakes joe only need one threw into the end zone. end wr nd rb nd te can do the rest.

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Flacco could win the Daytona 500 in a sail boat.

 

Thats  quality stuff there.

 

Flacco had a bear rug.

Not a bear skin run.  It an actual living bear, its just scared to move.

 

I realize most of those were for Chuck Norris, but they were still funny.

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The Flacco is like the wind, he's everywhere!

We all know the 'F' in the NFL stands for Flacco

 

National 

Flacco 

League

 

IT ALL MAKES SENSE

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You know how the talking heads like to say "Oh, well, Joe Flacco has never even thrown for 4000 yards"?  I don't know what compelled me to look into this, but I was curious about first downs...

 

So, all of this information is regular season statistics from 2008 through 2012.

 

The Ravens have rushed the ball 1307 times on first down, which is the 3rd most in the NFL since 2008.

 

That represents 57.5% of our first down plays.  The league average is 52.2% of first down plays.

 

57.5% is the 2nd highest percentage of rushes on first down plays, behind only the Jets.

 

How does this effect passing yards?  There seems to be some correlation between the two.  12 out of 16 teams in the top half of the league in passing yardage, are also in the top half of the league for percentage of pass plays on first downs.

 

Another factor might be our success of running on first downs.  Not sure how this all plays into it, but we gain 4.29 yards per attempt on 1st down rushes.  That ranks 16th, middle of the road, and is about league average.

 

Of all players with at least 100 rush attempts on first downs since 2008, Ray Rice ranks 25th for yards per attempt in such situations.  The 24 guys in front of him are, in order: Michael Vick, Jamaal Charles, Ben Tate, Jerome Harrison, Derrick Ward, Alfred Morris, Felix Jones, C.J. Spiller, LeGarrette Blount, Adrian Peterson, DeAngelo Williams, Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory, Pierre Thomas, Doug Martin, Darren McFadden, Maurice Jones-Drew, Brandon Jacobs, Willis McGahee, Tashard Choice, Correll Buckhalter, Kendall Hunter, Ahmad Bradshaw.

 

So it seems to me that we run the ball an extraordinarily high percentage of the time on first downs, and yet we only gain a middle of the road amount of yardage on first down rushes.  This could be a significant factor why we don't have a QB with a large amount of passing yardage.  It comes down to play-calling and offensive system... it's not all about the QB himself.  

 

It'll be interesting to see how this could change with Cam Cameron gone and Jim Caldwell at the helm.

 

Interestingly enough, Caldwell actually ran the ball MORE than Cam Cameron did on first down.  In 3 regular season games, Caldwell ran the ball on first down 58.9% of the time.

 

In the playoffs, that number jumped to 65.5% of the time!  For a total of 62.2% of first down plays throughout both the final 3 regular season games + the playoffs.

 

And not only did he run the ball more, but we ran it with LESS success.  Just 3.44 yards per attempt on first down rush plays over those 7 games.  (Ray Rice having just 3.26 yards per attempt... under Cam Cameron, Rice gained more than the team average on first down rush attempts, but under Caldwell, he gained less than the team average).

 

So what do we make of this?  Honestly... I'm not sure.  Flacco put up the numbers under Caldwell, despite running the ball MORE and with LESS success (yards per rush attempt) on first downs.  

 

Flacco threw for 247.7 yards per game under Cam, and 248.1 yards per game under Caldwell (and that's including the Cincinnati game, where he didn't even play a full quarter).  If you remove the Cincinnati game from the discussion, then Flacco threw for 283.8 yards per game under Caldwell.

 

Seems to go against conventional wisdom, considering that all other stats I can find indicate that teams that run the ball less on first down tend to put up bigger passing numbers.

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You can't find out where your limits are until you surpass them.  That's the point of preseason - and why the team/Joe take more chances now than they do in the regular/post season.

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ESPN lists Matt Ryan as the #3 most likely candidate to be the league MVP this year.

 

The quote associated with the article says this:

"The offense is built around him to make him an MVP candidate."

 

Doesn't anyone else find that to be just a little contradictory?  You're saying the OFFENSE AROUND HIM is built to make him look good... so how exactly is he the MVP?  The MVP is the guy that makes the team look good.  You're saying the team makes him look good.   :eyes: 

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ESPN lists Matt Ryan as the #3 most likely candidate to be the league MVP this year.

The quote associated with the article says this:

"The offense is built around him to make him an MVP candidate."

Doesn't anyone else find that to be just a little contradictory? You're saying the OFFENSE AROUND HIM is built to make him look good... so how exactly is he the MVP? The MVP is the guy that makes the team look good. You're saying the team makes him look good. :eyes:


I think your holding too strongly to what the MVP SHOULD be given out for instead of realizing what it is actually given out for these days. I agree he has a great shot at winning it because he'll have great stats on a great team. Look at how many Peyton got for the same reason after they built that offense aroun him. Whether or not they SHOULD be awarded the MVP is another thing altogether, but I agree that the likelihood of him actually being given the award is high.
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