Which receivers have earned a roster spot so far?

[DocMartin]

Impressed by T. Smith and A. Mellette this preseason so far.
Roster Locks:
1. T. Smith
2. J. Jones
3. B. Stokley
4. L. Williams
Players on the Bubble:
T. Doss
D. Reed
A. Mellette
M. Brown
Shepard
Carter
Streeter

[jazz1988]

Did you catch the Wild Card playoff game vs the colts last year? Well, Doss had maybe 4 drops that game, 2 were in the end zone.

To put this in perspective, Stokley (who to this day I cannot understand WHY we didn't keep him after drafting him) had something like 1 or 2 drops for the ENTIRE season last year.

So one game determines a player huh? i think read so where that Doss only had two drops in the regular season so yeah

[5aiah]

So one game determines a player huh? i think read so where that Doss only had two drops in the regular season so yeah

That was probably me. I have to keep bringing that up so I don't get lumped in with Doss bashers. I think with Doss it is more his ability to get open vs man coverage then his drops.

[PolishRifle]

That was probably me. I have to keep bringing that up so I don't get lumped in with Doss bashers. I think with Doss it is more his ability to get open vs man coverage then his drops.

I am not a Doss supporter, but that is a good argument though. Man coverage did cause the Ravens receivers alot of trouble last season.

[jazz1988]

That was probably me. I have to keep bringing that up so I don't get lumped in with Doss bashers. I think with Doss it is more his ability to get open vs man coverage then his drops

 

 

to be honest with you just about all our receivers had trouble  getting open consistently( Boldin probably not since he was so strong)   against man/press coverage well most of that was due to Cam Cameron lack of creativity to help come up with better ways to get them open but since Caldwell the coordinator that should  change hopefully.

 

The receivers still have to learn how to get better at beating man/press coverage  which doesn't require good  strength all the time  but good hand technique  as well.

[5aiah]

I am not a Doss supporter, but that is a good argument though. Man coverage did cause the Ravens receivers alot of trouble last season.

Yes, its even something Torrey has to get better at, you can't always get the big play over the top. Hope Torrey gets plenty of practice against Webby. 

[5aiah]

to be honest with you just about all our receivers had trouble  getting open consistently( Boldin probably not since he was so strong)   against man/press coverage well most of that was due to Cam Cameron lack of creativity to help come up with better ways to get them open but since Caldwell the coordinator that should  change hopefully.

 

The receivers still have to learn how to get better at beating man/press coverage  which doesn't require good  strength all the time  but good hand technique  as well.

Yeah at some point you just need to be able to beat man coverage on your own. We don't have guys that can do that fully,other teams do. Torrey,Jacoby, and DT have the ability to beat their man deep if there is no good help over the top but otherwise against man/press coverage its an uphill battle for us. 

[qredett]

I don't think Jacoby Jones has "earned" it. He won't be cut though, I would add im to your list.

[KillaBirdTJ]

I don't think Jacoby Jones has "earned" it. He won't be cut though, I would add im to your list.

 

Actually, I would either look to trade Jacoby Jones to a team with a receiver we want (I like Tennessee for Kenny Britt), or cut him and trade a pick for a receiver.

 

Problem is WHO would trade a #2 receiver? There are/is a team or two out there I just don't have time to research. Lol

[GrimCoconut]

Actually, I would either look to trade Jacoby Jones to a team with a receiver we want (I like Tennessee for Kenny Britt), or cut him and trade a pick for a receiver.

Problem is WHO would trade a #2 receiver? There are/is a team or two out there I just don't have time to research. Lol

I don't think Tennessee will trade anyone now. Kendall Wright is hurt so even the older Nate Washington is probably unavailable. I can't see them getting rid of Britt.

[KillaBirdTJ]

I don't think Tennessee will trade anyone now. Kendall Wright is hurt so even the older Nate Washington is probably unavailable. I can't see them getting rid of Britt.

 

Yeah you are probably right, just bouncing some idea's off the wall so to speak... Oz isn't done, i smell a trade none of us seen coming

[Ravenslifer]

to be honest with you just about all our receivers had trouble  getting open consistently( Boldin probably not since he was so strong)   against man/press coverage well most of that was due to Cam Cameron lack of creativity to help come up with better ways to get them open but since Caldwell the coordinator that should  change hopefully.

 

The receivers still have to learn how to get better at beating man/press coverage  which doesn't require good  strength all the time  but good hand technique  as well.

 

Just to add, Boldin really wasn't "open" in the traditional sense, so many of his catches were contested - a lot of the catches he made other receivers couldn't.  Joe basically had to trust that Q could come up with it even when the defender had a hand in there, and more often than not Q did.

[GrimCoconut]

Just to add, Boldin really wasn't "open" in the traditional sense, so many of his catches were contested - a lot of the catches he made other receivers couldn't. Joe basically had to trust that Q could come up with it even when the defender had a hand in there, and more often than not Q did.

I think this is exactly what Flacco is doing now with these other guys. He's testing them to see who he can trust to come up with the ball even when covered.

[Guest RBates]

you know, this sounds so familiar with Torrey's situation (vs the fans) until his big game vs Rams; I know Doss has been longer in the league, but he hasn't played as much as Smith  - and if the team likes him, they must know something we don't get to see during the pre-season games; to be honest i think there's more of a chance we cut Jacoby than Doss (cap hit involved in my thinking here too, not only play value)

Cut your best kick returner for a guy that doesn't offer anything on special teams.  Not to mention at this time he offers little to nothing at receiver.  Doss is starting to get on my nerves on this team because we all want to see him do well it just hasn't happened.  

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Cut your best kick returner for a guy that doesn't offer anything on special teams.  Not to mention at this time he offers little to nothing at receiver.  Doss is starting to get on my nerves on this team because we all want to see him do well it just hasn't happened.  

i talked about the chances of these two players making the roster, not making any statements, but i'll play now - Jacoby's cap hit is a lot (8th on the team?) to justify the role of a returner in a team (which role can be delivered on an acceptable level by Reed, who's cap figure is 3 times lower, or Doss or Rainey); Doss runs better routes than Jacoby too, who's only value for the team is his speed at this moment (and that can be replaced by Thompson or even Mellette)

[GrimCoconut]

http://www.footballdocs.com/WR_three_year_rule.html

Perhaps this article can speak more about the chances Doss has of turning it around.

[rmw10]

i talked about the chances of these two players making the roster, not making any statements, but i'll play now - Jacoby's cap hit is a lot (8th on the team?) to justify the role of a returner in a team (which role can be delivered on an acceptable level by Reed, who's cap figure is 3 times lower, or Doss or Rainey); Doss runs better routes than Jacoby too, who's only value for the team is his speed at this moment (and that can be replaced by Thompson or even Mellette)

 

But here's the issue with replacing Jones:

1.  Reed - he's oft injured, not exactly reliable

2.  Rainey - not explosive or fast enough overall

3.  Doss - only does punt returns

 

I think Jones' cap hit is very high for what he does, but I also don't see another alternative considering what he meant to the success of this team last year.  Field position played a huge role in our success, and I don't think any of the above 3 could come close to matching what Jones does.

[pep_meister]

TE's

Dickson, Clark, Furstenberg

WR's

 

Torrey Smith

Jacoby Jones

D. Thompson

Laquan Williams

A. Mallette 

Stokley

Reed/Doss

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

But here's the issue with replacing Jones:

1.  Reed - he's oft injured, not exactly reliable

2.  Rainey - not explosive or fast enough overall

3.  Doss - only does punt returns

I think Jones' cap hit is very high for what he does, but I also don't see another alternative considering what he meant to the success of this team last year.  Field position played a huge role in our success, and I don't think any of the above 3 could come close to matching what Jones does.

i agree with you, was just giving a reasoning on why Jacoby might get cut (because of his cap hit mainly) before we would even touch Doss; also the returns could be done "by committee" how Harbs likes to say lol... and then we got Asa to come back from his suspension to add more explosiveness in the mix

playing the game of so many here, add the savings from cutting Jacoby to let's say about 1.5 to 2 mil that we could still have under the cap (we could "borrow" a little from next year too if need be, even if we shouldn't) and you get about 5 mil that would pay for Washington's salary for example

what my strong opinion is, as expressed several times on several threads (that recently appeared like mushrooms after the rain lol), is that we'll stay put for the year in the WR/TE department (with a slim chance that we might even get Pitta too... later in the year)

[rmw10]

i agree with you, was just giving a reasoning on why Jacoby might get cut (because of his cap hit mainly) before we would even touch Doss; also the returns could be done "by committee" how Harbs likes to say lol... and then we got Asa to come back from his suspension to add more explosiveness in the mix

playing the game of so many here, add the savings from cutting Jacoby to let's say about 1.5 to 2 mil that we could still have under the cap (we could "borrow" a little from next year too if need be, even if we shouldn't) and you get about 5 mil that would pay for Washington's salary for example

what my strong opinion is, as expressed several times on several threads (that recently appeared like mushrooms after the rain lol), is that we'll stay put for the year in the WR/TE department (with a slim chance that we might even get Pitta too... later in the year)

 

Likewise.  Nate is about the only WR out there right now that really interests me, but we can't afford him as it currently stands.  He may not be available because of Wright's injury, although it was deemed just a sprain.  I'm about 95% confident that our current makeup with match our week 1 makeup.  I only leave a 5% buffer because you never know how things are going to play out.

[cobrajet]

I'd still have Doss as my #3. At least I have seen him play in real games and make plays. That's more than I can say for anyone not named Torrey and Jacoby. Jacoby has been the worst of the bunch IMO but his roster spot is not in jeopardy.

He does not have much experience, Williams is only somewhat behind him. I need to see a lot more from him. I hope Thompson gets healthy, I would really like to see more of him.

[izvoodoo]

He does not have much experience, Williams is only somewhat behind him. I need to see a lot more from him. I hope Thompson gets healthy, I would really like to see more of him.

Deonte was my pick to click.

[jimmypowder]

Here are the receivers that have earned a spot Torrey , Jacoby as a 3 or 4 , and Melette . Add in Stokely . That's it thus far.

[jazz1988]

Just to add, Boldin really wasn't "open" in the traditional sense, so many of his catches were contested - a lot of the catches he made other receivers couldn't.  Joe basically had to trust that Q could come up with it even when the defender had a hand in there, and more often than not Q did.

 

but thats been boldin his entire career he never was that guy that could beat you with speed he always was that guy that was pretty quick and was able to make plays even when doubled covered or a corner back right on him because he was so physical and strong

[The Raven]

Torrey is the only one who has earned it so far. 

 

Here's my two cents on the Doss debate: He really needs to step it up, or he has a chance of getting cut. It's not entirely likely, but there is a chance. He needs to start making plays now.

[GrimCoconut]

Torrey is the only one who has earned it so far. 

 

Here's my two cents on the Doss debate: He really needs to step it up, or he has a chance of getting cut. It's not entirely likely, but there is a chance. He needs to start making plays now.

I agree with the sentiment that if he doesn't show something this year he's done in Baltimore. I'm not sure if he'll get cut before the season. I think there's a good chance he makes the team because of the investment. I don't believe he'll be back next year if he doesn't realize his potential, however. 

[The Raven]

I agree with the sentiment that if he doesn't show something this year he's done in Baltimore. I'm not sure if he'll get cut before the season. I think there's a good chance he makes the team because of the investment. I don't believe he'll be back next year if he doesn't realize his potential, however. 

 

I think he could be beaten out by Laquan, Mellette, Thompson, and maybe even Brown.

 

So far, this is my projected depth chart.

 

1. Torrey

2. Stokley

3. Jacoby

4. LaQuan

5. Mellette

6. Doss

7. Brown

 

Doss, Brown, and Thompson will fight for the last two spots. I think LaQuan has done enough to secure a spot. Mellette has been good in camp, played well in games, and is a rookie draft pick so he is just about secure too.

[GrimCoconut]

I think he could be beaten out by Laquan, Mellette, Thompson, and maybe even Brown.

 

So far, this is my projected depth chart.

 

1. Torrey

2. Stokley

3. Jacoby

4. LaQuan

5. Mellette

6. Doss

7. Brown

That could happen, but I just don't think LaQuan makes the team. No Thompson?

 

1. Smith

2. Stokley

3. Jones

4. Doss

5. Mellette

6. Reed

7. Thompson

 

PS/IR. Brown

 

Just my guess. 

[The Raven]

That could happen, but I just don't think LaQuan makes the team. No Thompson?

 

1. Smith

2. Stokley

3. Jones

4. Doss

5. Mellette

6. Reed

7. Thompson

 

PS/IR. Brown

 

Just my guess. 

That works too. I think that Deonte and Brown are currently interchangeable due to injuries and lack of production. Reed, Doss, Brown, and Thompson all could be cut.

[5aiah]

That works too. I think that Deonte and Brown are currently interchangeable due to injuries and lack of production. Reed, Doss, Brown, and Thompson all could be cut.

I agree mostly, but I don't think Doss can be cut.