Which receivers have earned a roster spot so far?

[rmw10]

I don't understand why people are saying that guys like Mellette, Brown, etc have proven more than someone like Doss. Those guys have 2 catches each. Good catches? Yes, but against 3rd string defenses. It seems people forget about what we saw from guys like Doss and Thompson last year.

[omar586]

In my opinion these players have earned it:

 

Wr's

 

#1 Torrey Smith

#2 Brandon Stokely

#3 Aaron Mellete

#4 Laquan Williams

#5 Marlon Brown

#6 Deonte Thompson

 

TE's

 

1. Ed Dickson

2. Dallas Clark

3. Frustenburg

 

How would you rank them?

i agree with on the WRs, on the TEs unfourtantely Dickson's injury is a lingering type of injury, which will keep him from performing.

[jazz1988]

That's because Streeter hasn't had nearly as many opportunities as Doss, its his 2nd year, plus he is 6'5 (as is Marlon Brown), and runs a 4.3. His hands cannot be any worse than Doss and that's for certain.

 

Streeter has not displayed that he has good hands so far through out training camp  and Doss has way better hands than streeter. Speed is not everything. Streeter is  project widoeut and there a reason why he hasnt been giving much opportunity and thatts because he''s not ready yet.  Where is people getting this idea that Doss hands is terrible some body? please point out a game  that really shows that Doss hands is terrible.(Stats would be nice as well  if any one can find some )

[display name]

In my opinion these players have earned it:

 

Wr's

 

#1 Torrey Smith

#2 Brandon Stokely

#3 Aaron Mellete

#4 Laquan Williams

#5 Marlon Brown

#6 Deonte Thompson

 

TE's

 

1. Ed Dickson

2. Dallas Clark

3. Frustenburg

 

How would you rank them?

I have never heard of Marlon Brown, and you forgot Jacoby Jones, who would take his roster spot.

I would keep Jones at #3. The top priority for him should be returns.

Guys like Reed and Doss have talent, yet are relatively untested. Two more preseason games should be enough to decide who stays and who goes.

[gabefergy]

Gabe, you're really high on Doss, huh? What do you see in him? Im sure you've stated this many times, but Im not on here as much right now. Just curious...

Not really, just objective. I don't think he is going to be a breakout star or anything, but he does possess talent that our team can use. He made some plays last year in very limited opportunity. I think given more opportunity he can continue to make those plays. He isnt a burner and he will never be a Boldin in terms of physicality, but he runs good routes and gets open. He has very good hands IMO. I think he can be a nice the chains type receiver.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Streeter has not displayed that he has good hands so far through out training camp  and Doss has way better hands than streeter. Speed is not everything. Streeter is  project widoeut and there a reason why he hasnt been giving much opportunity and thatts because he''s not ready yet.  Where is people getting this idea that Doss hands is terrible some body? please point out a game  that really shows that Doss hands is terrible.(Stats would be nice as well  if any one can find some )

 

Did you catch the Wild Card playoff game vs the colts last year? Well, Doss had maybe 4 drops that game, 2 were in the end zone.

To put this in perspective, Stokley (who to this day I cannot understand WHY we didn't keep him after drafting him) had something like 1 or 2 drops for the ENTIRE season last year.

[rmw10]

Did you catch the Wild Card playoff game vs the colts last year? Well, Doss had maybe 4 drops that game, 2 were in the end zone.
To put this in perspective, Stokley (who to this day I cannot understand WHY we didn't keep him after drafting him) had something like 1 or 2 drops for the ENTIRE season last year.

That's 1 game. Big deal. Look at his entire body of work. I understand he's been disappointing this far, but you seem to forget what he's done outside of that one poor game. He had some very nice catches last year.

[RobFuseRaven]

Well Stokley and Clark haven't "earned" anything yet. They just got here. But, if I had to choose right now, it'd be these guys. I'm not completely sure about the depth chart order, because I'd have Deonte Thompson also running deep routes. I hate not putting Tandon on here, but these are guys that have earned a roster spot and I'm slowly losing faith in him.

 

Wide Receivers

1. Torrey Smith

2. LaQuan Williams

3. Jacoby Jones

4. Brandon Stokley

5. Aaron Mellette

6. Deonte Thompson

Marlon Brown (Practice Squad or Injured Reserve)

 

Tight Ends

1. Ed Dickson

2. Dallas Clark

3. Matt Furstenburg

[5aiah]

Streeter has not displayed that he has good hands so far through out training camp  and Doss has way better hands than streeter. Speed is not everything. Streeter is  project widoeut and there a reason why he hasnt been giving much opportunity and thatts because he''s not ready yet.  Where is people getting this idea that Doss hands is terrible some body? please point out a game  that really shows that Doss hands is terrible.(Stats would be nice as well  if any one can find some )

He has pretty good hands and good route running, just inconsistent in both and can easily be jammed at the line. The people saying he is terrible don't know what they are talking about. Also Streeter is becoming a failed project. His type come along all the time he isn't rare.

 

I don't understand why people are saying that guys like Mellette, Brown, etc have proven more than someone like Doss. Those guys have 2 catches each. Good catches? Yes, but against 3rd string defenses. It seems people forget about what we saw from guys like Doss and Thompson last year.

I don't understand either. To me none of them have proven anything in terms of how well they could do in the regular season. Mellette has proven he could use more targets and time with the first string though. Doss has proven he needs more time on the field period(with both QBs) because he just isn't doing what we expect him to this late in his development.

 

Not really, just objective. I don't think he is going to be a breakout star or anything, but he does possess talent that our team can use. He made some plays last year in very limited opportunity. I think given more opportunity he can continue to make those plays. He isnt a burner and he will never be a Boldin in terms of physicality, but he runs good routes and gets open. He has very good hands IMO. I think he can be a nice the chains type receiver.

Consistency is key for him. He just hasn't been able to put it all together on a consistent basis. Hopefully he can get it together with a whole season under his belt. 

[KillaBirdTJ]

I don't understand why people are saying that guys like Mellette, Brown, etc have proven more than someone like Doss. Those guys have 2 catches each. Good catches? Yes, but against 3rd string defenses. It seems people forget about what we saw from guys like Doss and Thompson last year.

 

Those 2 catches against 3rd string defenses as you put it, at least show desire, effort, and play making ability. Perhaps if they got the same opportunities Doss has had ( to run with the 1's) and catch passes from Joe, they just might surprise allot of folks. At this point we nothing to lose, it is after all preseason, lets see what they can do! It certainly cannot hurt.

[gabefergy]

Did you catch the Wild Card playoff game vs the colts last year? Well, Doss had maybe 4 drops that game, 2 were in the end zone.

To put this in perspective, Stokley (who to this day I cannot understand WHY we didn't keep him after drafting him) had something like 1 or 2 drops for the ENTIRE season last year.

Every incompletion is a drop now? How about they werent great passes. Maybe one of them had a good chance of being caught, if any were completed they would have been highlight reel catches.

[rmw10]

Those 2 catches against 3rd string defenses as you put it, at least show desire, effort, and play making ability. Perhaps if they got the same opportunities Doss has had ( to run with the 1's) and catch passes from Joe, they just might surprise allot of folks. At this point we nothing to lose, it is after all preseason, lets see what they can do! It certainly cannot hurt.

Regarding Doss: Between the last 2 games, I've seen 4 plays where he was wide open across the middle, but the QB didn't even look his way. Had he been targeted, I bet you'd be singing a completely different tune about him. It's not like he's lazy out there. He's working hard and getting open, just not getting the ball.

[gabefergy]

Those 2 catches against 3rd string defenses as you put it, at least show desire, effort, and play making ability. Perhaps if they got the same opportunities Doss has had ( to run with the 1's) and catch passes from Joe, they just might surprise allot of folks. At this point we nothing to lose, it is after all preseason, lets see what they can do! It certainly cannot hurt.

I agree I would like to see Mellette at least run with the 1's. I'd also like to see Doss with the 1's as a more than a 3rd or 4th option. The Patriots are trotting 3 rookie receivers out there with Tom Brady. Why can't the Ravens do that? We know what we have in Torrey Smith, the only thing that can happen with him out there is picking up an injury.

[gabefergy]

Regarding Doss: Between the last 2 games, I've seen 4 plays where he was wide open across the middle, but the QB didn't even look his way. Had he been targeted, I bet you'd be singing a completely different tune about him. It's not like he's lazy out there. He's working hard and getting open, just not getting the ball.

This. Also, Ravens coaches get the All-22 film that we dont have the luxury of seeing. They know that Doss is out there playing hard and getting open, It's not his fault he doesnt get targeted. 

[PurpleCityLights]

Joe's going have to be the QB that makes his WRers better. If not, it's going to be a long season ....

[5aiah]

Regarding Doss: Between the last 2 games, I've seen 4 plays where he was wide open across the middle, but the QB didn't even look his way. Had he been targeted, I bet you'd be singing a completely different tune about him. It's not like he's lazy out there. He's working hard and getting open, just not getting the ball.

Does anyone have the all-22, I have the regular season but not the preseason. That being said you have to know whether it was man coverage or zone coverage because we already know Doss is good at finding holes in zones and getting there. Its his problems with man coverage(man press especially) that gets him locked down completely. 

 

Joe's going have to be the QB that makes his WRers better. If not, it's going to be a long season ....

I agree. He is going to have to make guys like Doss and Jacoby into true starter material. He can do so by throwing him the ball when dude is wide open..........

[KillaBirdTJ]

That's 1 game. Big deal. Look at his entire body of work. I understand he's been disappointing this far, but you seem to forget what he's done outside of that one poor game. He had some very nice catches last year.

 

I don't see it. His success rate is 41% (targets percent caught) for 2012. Look, I will happily eat my words about Doss if he can turn it around. I just want to win.

[5aiah]

I don't see it. His success rate is 41% (targets percent caught) for 2012. Look, I will happily eat my words about Doss if he can turn it around. I just want to win.

He only dropped 2 in the season though. The other targets might not be on him but Flacco.

[rmw10]

I don't see it. His success rate is 41% (targets percent caught) for 2012. Look, I will happily eat my words about Doss if he can turn it around. I just want to win.

 

Just because he was targeted doesn't mean it was catchable.  You're relying too much on the statbook rather than what actually happens on the field.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Just because he was targeted doesn't mean it was catchable.  You're relying too much on the statbook rather than what actually happens on the field.

 

 

I hope you are right my friend, for the sake of this season I hope you are right about Doss.

[5aiah]

Just because he was targeted doesn't mean it was catchable.  You're relying too much on the statbook rather than what actually happens on the field.

Sounds like a job for PFF :P . Or even better do you remember his targets?

[edreedfromtheu]

Torrey Smith is obvious, and has been stated.  I'm confused at how people can go crazy over Flacco's performance during last year's playoffs.... but then completely dismiss what Jacoby Jones did during that same 4-game span.  He SAVED the Ravens numerous times.  If he didn't make 2 people miss on one play, and get behind the defense on another play.... the Ravens don't win the Super Bowl and Flacco doesn't look nearly as good.  If he hasn't earned a spot on this team, then you're crazy!  (Oh, he also is pretty good at those kick returns)
 

I'm very confused at how anyone could say any of the young receivers have EARNED a spot... with the exception of LaQuan Williams.

Williams was an absolute beast on special teams and as a receivers last preseason.  He has been doing the same thing this preseason.  And even when he got his very limited opportunities during the regular season last year... he contributed.

I'm a huge supporter of Doss, but he just isn't being thrown to.  Maybe a couple times a game.  I haven't seen drops... but he's just not thrown to enough to show anything,

As for the rest... they've done nothing!  Mellette?  David Reed?(how is he still on the team?)


Going in to the season... I'd say it has to be Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones starting on the outside, with LaQuan Williams as the third receiver.  (Obviously... the signing of Brandon Stokley changed all of this)

It seems that Flacco has immediately been drawn to Stokely like he was with Pitta.  He'll probably lock onto him a lot, and force feed him.  So I guess Stokely is going to be a starting receiver if he's healthy.  So that bumps LaQuan Williams down a spot.

[rmw10]

I hope you are right my friend, for the sake of this season I hope you are right about Doss.

 

By no means am I saying that he's the second coming of Jesus or anything.  However, there's no way he's cut.  They've invested a lot of time into him running with the 1's, and despite what we believe is poor performance from him, he's still getting the majority of the reps there.  They've seen enough to keep putting him there, and I'm going to trust them.  They have all film at their disposal.  I really like guys like Mellette and Brown, but they have not shown me enough to trust them with tons of reps.  If they get that on Thursday, that opinion may change.  As of now, Doss is still my #3.

[rmw10]

Sounds like a job for PFF :P . Or even better do you remember his targets?

 

No clue.  I don't pay attention to stats at all, really.  I prefer to go by the eye test lol.  Stats are useful in certain situations, but I believe that they don't tell the whole story.

[5aiah]

No clue.  I don't pay attention to stats at all, really.  I prefer to go by the eye test lol.  Stats are useful in certain situations, but I believe that they don't tell the whole story.

That's what i am asking, your eye test. Do you remember how he did with catch able balls? I know he had two drops(regular season) but what about the other targets that didn't connect.  

[rmw10]

That's what i am asking, your eye test. Do you remember how he did with catch able balls? I know he had two drops(regular season) but what about the other targets that didn't connect.  

 

I honestly do not remember.  I really got into the whole player evaluation type of thing more mid to the end of the season.  I know he was able to draw an extraordinary amount of PI's in his limited playing time, for what that's worth lol.  I really wasn't trying to claim that a majority weren't catchable, more that it's a possibility that won't be told by the stats.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Torrey Smith is obvious, and has been stated.  I'm confused at how people can go crazy over Flacco's performance during last year's playoffs.... but then completely dismiss what Jacoby Jones did during that same 4-game span.  He SAVED the Ravens numerous times.  If he didn't make 2 people miss on one play, and get behind the defense on another play.... the Ravens don't win the Super Bowl and Flacco doesn't look nearly as good.  If he hasn't earned a spot on this team, then you're crazy!  (Oh, he also is pretty good at those kick returns)
 

I'm very confused at how anyone could say any of the young receivers have EARNED a spot... with the exception of LaQuan Williams.

Williams was an absolute beast on special teams and as a receivers last preseason.  He has been doing the same thing this preseason.  And even when he got his very limited opportunities during the regular season last year... he contributed.

I'm a huge supporter of Doss, but he just isn't being thrown to.  Maybe a couple times a game.  I haven't seen drops... but he's just not thrown to enough to show anything,

As for the rest... they've done nothing!  Mellette?  David Reed?(how is he still on the team?)


Going in to the season... I'd say it has to be Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones starting on the outside, with LaQuan Williams as the third receiver.  (Obviously... the signing of Brandon Stokley changed all of this)

It seems that Flacco has immediately been drawn to Stokely like he was with Pitta.  He'll probably lock onto him a lot, and force feed him.  So I guess Stokely is going to be a starting receiver if he's healthy.  So that bumps LaQuan Williams down a spot.

 

I have to agree with you about Jacoby to some extent, but the same could also be said about Boldin, Pitta, and Smith...

 

Last years playoffs was truly a collective display of excellence and relentless dominance! I was celebrating and making such a scene (representing with my purple R. Lewis Jersey on no doubt)  I almost got kicked out of a couple sports bar's during the game's down here in Miami.  Lololol

 

I love Laquan Williams because of his HEART. This guy has the heart of a Lion, always finds a way to be around the ball and make some kind of a play... forcing fumbles, recovering fumbles, catching touchdowns, punishing blocks, punishing tackles on special teams. Gotta love that Baltimore Kid!

[GrimCoconut]

I haven't yet read this topic. I will. But before I do, here's my preliminary opinion: 

 

The only WR who has earned a spot on this team so far is Torrey Smith. The rest just haven't--not as receivers. Jacoby Jones deserves a spot and he'll get one (even if I dislike his price tag) but after him there's not a lot. Clark, Visanthe, Stokley--these guys haven't earned a spot with the Ravens yet because they haven't shown anything yet with this team. That leaves another 3 positions for WR & two positions for TE. Ed Dickson, while he hasn't exactly proved anything with this team either except during his first year, should earn a spot as well. I think he's a lock once he's healthy. We won't be cutting him. I expect Clark & even Stokley to show they're worth their salt, however, and make the team. Just so everyone's keeping up with me here: 

 

1. WR Torrey Smith

2. TE Dallas Clark

3. WR Brandon Stokley

4. TE Ed Dickson

5. WR Jacoby Jones

 

That leaves 1 TE & 3 WR left. I think those first five players will receive a majority of the targets, however. 

 

After them, you have a list of guys competing for a job at both TE & WR. At TE, you have Matt Furstenburg, Billy Bajema, & Visanthe Shiancoe. I think Billy wins the job, in all honesty. I see Kyle Juszczyk being used a lot as a receiving TE. Furstenburg I expect to go to the PS. At WR, you have Mellette, Williams, Streeter, Carter, Sheppard, Doss, Brown, Thompson, & Reed all competing for three jobs. That's 9 WR competing for 3 jobs. From what I've seen, Williams, Streeter, Carter, Sheppard won't make the cut. Not in my opinion. That eliminates 4 WRs from 9, leaving 5 guys. 

 

I expect Marlon Brown to go on the IR. He should've been a PUP stash, IMO. I was surprised he came back so early from the torn ACL. So, that leaves us choosing between Mellette, Doss, Thompson & Reed for three jobs. I like what I've seen from Mellette and I think he's quietly done a very good job on ST. He had a very nice block on the Asa Jackson ST TD from what I saw when I watched the highlight today. I think Mellette can replace Williams as that ST WR with upside. I really like David Reed in terms of ST play, so I'll give him the nod here. I was impressed by his vision and if we are going to use Jacoby more on offense, we could use Reed returning the ball. That leaves it between Thompson & Doss, and I can't see the team cutting either guy. I think we'll carry 7 WRs at least in the early part of the year. If I had to choose, I'd say we IR Thompson & keep Doss. 

[GrimCoconut]

That's because Streeter hasn't had nearly as many opportunities as Doss, its his 2nd year, plus he is 6'5 (as is Marlon Brown), and runs a 4.3. His hands cannot be any worse than Doss and that's for certain.

Streeter is lazy. I can't stand that kid. He's lazzzzzzzzzzzy. There's nothing that irritates me more than watching lazy football players who don't care. He doesn't have it to play in this league if he continues to be lazy like that. I could be wrong, but the guy doesn't seem to have it to make it in this league. We'll see. 

[KillaBirdTJ]

Streeter is lazy. I can't stand that kid. He's lazzzzzzzzzzzy. There's nothing that irritates me more than watching lazy football players who don't care. He doesn't have it to play in this league if he continues to be lazy like that. I could be wrong, but the guy doesn't seem to have it to make it in this league. We'll see. 

 

Wow. I had no idea he was like that... I know you know because you actually went to the practices that were open to the public. We just need 1 more weapon to compliment Torrey... We have to find one.