It's only preseason? Preseason game 2 thoughts

[5aiah]

The Browns looked sharp in their last preseason game. Does that mean, they are the class of the AFC North now?

Huh? I really was only saying the passing game(first team) was suspect before training camp started, and that these two games did little to refute that notion.Also that guys like you will still make it out to be no big deal are the same as the doom and gloom guys. Then you come along with a post that illustrates my point completely.

[Tank 92]

Huh? I really was only saying the passing game(first team) was suspect before training camp started, and that these two games did little to refute that notion.Also that guys like you will still make it out to be no big deal are the same as the doom and gloom guys. Then you come along with a post that illustrates my point completely.

 

 

 

What?  It's PRE SEASON FOOTBALL!  Sure, it`s a little disconcerting that we look like scrubs, but it`s not completely unexpected and means nothing but that there is work to do and we`re not mentally prepared yet. There is no reason, and there never has been, to use pre season games as an indicator as to how the Team will perform come that first Thursday night in Denver. it just doesn`t work that way. Never has and never will.

[Ravenslifer]

Huh? I really was only saying the passing game(first team) was suspect before training camp started, and that these two games did little to refute that notion.Also that guys like you will still make it out to be no big deal are the same as the doom and gloom guys. Then you come along with a post that illustrates my point completely.

 

All most of us have pointed out is that, it is preseason, and the history of preseason, not just for this team, but for every team since I can remember starting to watch football, tells us that preseason means absolutely nothing as to how anyone will do in the regular season.  Ever.  Everyone comes up with a prediction on the season based on the preseason, and it never comes true.  Case in point with this football team - 2008 Flacco wasn't "ready to start".  He did just fine for a rookie.  2009 Rice "didn't look as good as McClain". Rice's first trip to the probowl.  2010 "Heap, Mason, and Boldin are too old".  Did just fine.  2011 "The Ravens will miss Heap" and "Tandon Doss is better than Torrey Smith".  Torrey exploded and Dickson and Pitta combined to have a better season than Heap ever had for us in the Harbaugh era.  2012 - "Jacoby Jones is a bust and a waste of a signing" - Mile High Miracle.

 

The 2007 Patriots went 2-2 and Matt Cassel seriously outplayed Tom Brady in the preseason.  Brady went 18-0.  2008 Lions went 4-0 in the preseason, then went 0-16 in the regular season.  The 2010 Vikings and 2011 Vikings went 3-1 and 2-2.  One team finished 6-10, the other 4-12.  The 2009 Vikings failed to score more than 17 points in each of their first 3 preseason games, went on to 12-4.

[arnie_uk]

Really like tyrods development aswell. Looks like he could provide a nice new element to the offense esp in redzone. He seems like he could do a job for a couple games of joe was out aswell. Def more accurate than even just last yr

[GrimCoconut]

Really like tyrods development aswell. Looks like he could provide a nice new element to the offense esp in redzone. He seems like he could do a job for a couple games of joe was out aswell. Def more accurate than even just last yr

I'd agree with this. I want ready to say good stuff about Tyrod against Tampa but I liked what I saw from him versus Atlanta. I'm still a bit iffy because neither of those teams have standout defensive depth.

[arnie_uk]

I'd agree with this. I want ready to say good stuff about Tyrod against Tampa but I liked what I saw from him versus Atlanta. I'm still a bit iffy because neither of those teams have standout defensive depth.

doesn't really matter who you play. If your putting the ball between the numbers as he is you can tell the accuracy has improved. They had comp for him last yr and he needed it but they must have saw a good improvement early in the season to not bring a third guy in.

He's been a standout with asa jackson.

[berad]

doesn't really matter who you play. If your putting the ball between the numbers as he is you can tell the accuracy has improved. They had comp for him last yr and he needed it but they must have saw a good improvement early in the season to not bring a third guy in.

He's been a standout with asa jackson.

Indeed. There were times last year when our reserve receivers couldn't really get anything done because Tyrod would either be taking off on a scramble or throwing the ball to an imaginary friend. Remember, it was Curtis Painter who put Deonte Thompson on the map. This preseason, he's done SO much better - so much more polished. He's said that he's become more comfortable in the offense and is able to make checks and protection calls.

[arnie_uk]

U def notice hes more comfortable in the pocket and just being the guy when he's in there. Be interesting to see him rice juice leach and smith all on the field for a play or two during the season lol

[GrimCoconut]

doesn't really matter who you play. If your putting the ball between the numbers as he is you can tell the accuracy has improved. They had comp for him last yr and he needed it but they must have saw a good improvement early in the season to not bring a third guy in.

He's been a standout with asa jackson.

In terms of his accuracy and his desire to run yeah. I agree with that. He definitely doesn't run as much. He barely ran against Atlanta.

[5aiah]

What?  It's PRE SEASON FOOTBALL!  Sure, it`s a little disconcerting that we look like scrubs, but it`s not completely unexpected and means nothing but that there is work to do and we`re not mentally prepared yet. There is no reason, and there never has been, to use pre season games as an indicator as to how the Team will perform come that first Thursday night in Denver. it just doesn`t work that way. Never has and never will.

 

All most of us have pointed out is that, it is preseason, and the history of preseason, not just for this team, but for every team since I can remember starting to watch football, tells us that preseason means absolutely nothing as to how anyone will do in the regular season.  Ever.  Everyone comes up with a prediction on the season based on the preseason, and it never comes true.  Case in point with this football team - 2008 Flacco wasn't "ready to start".  He did just fine for a rookie.  2009 Rice "didn't look as good as McClain". Rice's first trip to the probowl.  2010 "Heap, Mason, and Boldin are too old".  Did just fine.  2011 "The Ravens will miss Heap" and "Tandon Doss is better than Torrey Smith".  Torrey exploded and Dickson and Pitta combined to have a better season than Heap ever had for us in the Harbaugh era.  2012 - "Jacoby Jones is a bust and a waste of a signing" - Mile High Miracle.

 

The 2007 Patriots went 2-2 and Matt Cassel seriously outplayed Tom Brady in the preseason.  Brady went 18-0.  2008 Lions went 4-0 in the preseason, then went 0-16 in the regular season.  The 2010 Vikings and 2011 Vikings went 3-1 and 2-2.  One team finished 6-10, the other 4-12.  The 2009 Vikings failed to score more than 17 points in each of their first 3 preseason games, went on to 12-4.

No offense but these are strawmen. Once again just to obliterate this fallacy, I never said that the preseason was an absolute indicator of what was to come in the regular season. You guys made that up to have something to argue against instead of my actual point. The Ravens traded Boldin(one of Flacco's security blankets), ok lets see how the passing attack does, then we lost Pitta,uh ok still have some guys who can step up, then Dickson goes down and might miss the opener and misses a ton of time with Flacco on the field, hmm ok a lot more questions now. Then the WRs are still suspect and no one can beat the other out for the WR2 spot(including the incumbent) despite them all being a bit shaky. "Sure, it`s a little disconcerting that we look like scrubs, but it`s not completely unexpected and means nothing but that there is work to do and we`re not mentally prepared yet." 

I don't think we look like scrubs, those are your words not mine for sure. I think we look like a team that needs a lot of time to gel on the field as well as get our starters back. So we aren't even on the same page about how our team looks. As to the rest of that sentence that is all I have been saying, you decided to disagree with that and attack a point that was manufactured by yourself, and then backtrack and say what I was saying, at the same time. COME ON MAN! Like I said it is a big deal that we haven't been able to prove our passing game is truly good to go after all that we have lost, but it isn't the end of the world either because IMO the run game and defense will really stand out among the best in the league and get us through this.

[arnie_uk]

This guy

[omar586]

I just hope Harbaugh gives all WRs chance, not pick his favorites

[arnie_uk]

I just hope Harbaugh gives all WRs chance, not pick his favorites

im worried about that with mellette. More so draft status than favourite tho. I hope they haven't predetermined him as an ir guy

[billick]

We have 16 regular season games to get ready for the play offs.

 

Were any of you posters before the Super Bowl ?

[Ravenslifer]

Really like tyrods development aswell. Looks like he could provide a nice new element to the offense esp in redzone. He seems like he could do a job for a couple games of joe was out aswell. Def more accurate than even just last yr

 

I'd like to see him get a few reps as a RB/WR.  It's not going to do any good with a Gadget play if Tyrod is only ever out there for them.  If he gets more offensive snaps in general, teams won't see him coming out and automatically know what the play is going to be.

[Ravenslifer]

I just hope Harbaugh gives all WRs chance, not pick his favorites

 

I always wondered how much of that was Cam and how much was Harbs.  I guess we'll find out this season - if Caldwell follows the Indy philosophy, he'll be getting as much of our offensive personnel out there as possible every game.

[Ravenslifer]

No offense but these are strawmen. Once again just to obliterate this fallacy, I never said that the preseason was an absolute indicator of what was to come in the regular season. You guys made that up to have something to argue against instead of my actual point. The Ravens traded Boldin(one of Flacco's security blankets), ok lets see how the passing attack does, then we lost Pitta,uh ok still have some guys who can step up, then Dickson goes down and might miss the opener and misses a ton of time with Flacco on the field, hmm ok a lot more questions now. Then the WRs are still suspect and no one can beat the other out for the WR2 spot(including the incumbent) despite them all being a bit shaky. "Sure, it`s a little disconcerting that we look like scrubs, but it`s not completely unexpected and means nothing but that there is work to do and we`re not mentally prepared yet."
I don't think we look like scrubs, those are your words not mine for sure. I think we look like a team that needs a lot of time to gel on the field as well as get our starters back. So we aren't even on the same page about how our team looks. As to the rest of that sentence that is all I have been saying, you decided to disagree with that and attack a point that was manufactured by yourself, and then backtrack and say what I was saying, at the same time. COME ON MAN! Like I said it is a big deal that we haven't been able to prove our passing game is truly good to go after all that we have lost, but it isn't the end of the world either because IMO the run game and defense will really stand out among the best in the league and get us through this.

Uh, wrong. A Strawman argument is when you turn one argument into a completely different argument and start attacking that - which ironically is what you are currently doing e.g. My argument is preseason means little to the regular season, and you talk about me claiming the team looks like srubs (WHICH I NEVER SAID - I bolded your claim). You said "the passing game looked suspect in TC" and I said "What we see in the offseason often has little bearing on what we see in the regular season". You claim to be worried because of PRESEASON performances, and now you are talking in circles. We look like a team who hasn't shown anything in the preseason, just like every other good team in the league. I merely point out preseason performance has no bearing on regular season performance in the majority of cases, and used history to point that out. You can't dispute that, so now you are trying to act like that's an invalid argument.  I never said I liked us looking as bad as we do, I merely point out that it doesn't tell us what this team will look like in the regular season.  You have a hard time understanding my point.  

[5aiah]

Uh, wrong. A Strawman argument is when you turn one argument into a completely different argument and start attacking that. You claim to be worried because of PRESEASON performances, and now you are talking in circles. We look like a team who hasn't shown anything in the preseason, just like every other good team in the league. I merely point out preseason performance has no bearing on regular season performance in the majority of cases, and used history to point that out. You can't dispute that, so now you are trying to act like that's an invalid argument.

No I claimed I was worried way before preseason(before Pitta was injured) and this has done nothing to help. You don't even have a grasp on what my point was. You were attacking a completely different argument. I said "preseason doesn't help my previous notion that the passing game will struggle" and you argued against"preseason is a indicator of how regular season will go".Lol. If that isn't a strawman I don't know what is.

 

Huh? I really was only saying the passing game(first team) was suspect before training camp started, and that these two games did little to refute that notion.Also that guys like you will still make it out to be no big deal are the same as the doom and gloom guys. Then you come along with a post that illustrates my point completely.

This was my post.

[Ravenslifer]

No I claimed I was worried way before preseason(before Pitta was injured) and this has done nothing to help. You don't even have a grasp on what my point was. You were attacking a completely different argument. I said "preseason doesn't help my previous notion that the passing game will struggle" and you argued against"preseason is a indicator of how regular season will go".Lol. If that isn't a strawman I don't know what is.

 

This was my post.

 

Whatever.  You claim the passing game was suspect based on nothing, and now you say it's proven to be suspect based on nothing.  Once again, preseason is meaningless.  And what I said certainly wasn't a Strawman argument.

[arnie_uk]

No I claimed I was worried way before preseason(before Pitta was injured) and this has done nothing to help. You don't even have a grasp on what my point was. You were attacking a completely different argument. I said "preseason doesn't help my previous notion that the passing game will struggle" and you argued against"preseason is a indicator of how regular season will go".Lol. If that isn't a strawman I don't know what is.
 

This was my post.

and he replied by saying preseason over the years isn't indication of our regular season. Am I missing something here, he directly refuted the point you were making by saying you have no point because what you see now is not what you will see against denver.

[dirtybird10]

That's not what I'm saying.

 

I'm saying instead of reading the coverage, it's like there's a conscious effort to get Jacoby the ball or he's just forcing it.  If it were regular season I'd be worried.  But in preason it seems like they might just be trying to get Jacoby the ball.  You just don't know in preseason.

 

I understand, and it does seem like they are trying to get it to Jacoby purposely. Personally I would rather they keep Smith out the rest of the preseason and let him work with just the guys he needs to get work in with.

[arnie_uk]

I understand, and it does seem like they are trying to get it to Jacoby purposely. Personally I would rather they keep Smith out the rest of the preseason and let him work with just the guys he needs to get work in with.

i think the consensus want this but I'm not sure it will happen

[Ravenseconbeast]

Where is berad aka mr.spellchecker when you need him?

[GrimCoconut]

If we cut Jacoby and traded for a guy like Nate Washington I wouldn't be upset. Right now Jacoby is looking very overpaid. I also think that Visanthe won't make the cut based off of what I'm seeing from him but he probably will. I'm just not terribly impressed by him.

[PolishRifle]

Huh? I really was only saying the passing game(first team) was suspect before training camp started, and that these two games did little to refute that notion.Also that guys like you will still make it out to be no big deal are the same as the doom and gloom guys. Then you come along with a post that illustrates my point completely.

I didn't illustrate your point. I made a joke on the panic or concern, that sets in, after two pre-season games, that quite frankly are of more value to coaches than fans. The offense didn't do much worse than it did last year in it's first 2 preseason games and that was with Boldin, Dickson and Pitta on the roster.

The one game next week, is the one that actually matters for the starters and gives a more accurate representation of what the offense will look this season.

[dirtybird10]

i think the consensus want this but I'm not sure it will happen

 

doubt it, but it would be nice. We know what we have in Smith and yet again I saw him come up looking lame again, and had a knot in my stomach for it. Though I think he just came out of his shoe again lol. I'd rather we avoid any exposure with Torrey and see Joe get his work in with the rest of them. Doubt it will happen, like you said, but it would be nice.

[PolishRifle]

If we cut Jacoby and traded for a guy like Nate Washington I wouldn't be upset. Right now Jacoby is looking very overpaid. I also think that Visanthe won't make the cut based off of what I'm seeing from him but he probably will. I'm just not terribly impressed by him.

I don't see that happening, but I do think that Jacoby finally lost his grasp on the #2WR spot. Whoever does the best in training camp now is going to line up in that position next Thursday. I can see Thomspon (I think he might be in the position to get it) in there, Stokley will probably get a crack at it due to his experience and I hope Mellette and Laquan atleast get a chance for first team reps. Streeter or Doss not so much.

[rmw10]

If we cut Jacoby and traded for a guy like Nate Washington I wouldn't be upset. Right now Jacoby is looking very overpaid. I also think that Visanthe won't make the cut based off of what I'm seeing from him but he probably will. I'm just not terribly impressed by him.

 

I agree about Shiancoe.  I have not been impressed with him at all.  Dickson makes it.  Clark most likely makes it.  That leaves one spot open between Shiancoe, Bajema, and Furstenburg (with Juice as a "4th TE").  I'd go with Bajema and Furstenburg over Shiancoe, but I'm not sure that happens.

 

Kind of a side note: I really think people are writing off Bajema because he's not flashy, but man is he great at blocking.  I kind of keyed in on him a bit and he operates like a lineman.

[PolishRifle]

I agree about Shiancoe.  I have not been impressed with him at all.  Dickson makes it.  Clark most likely makes it.  That leaves one spot open between Shiancoe, Bajema, and Furstenburg (with Juice as a "4th TE").  I'd go with Bajema and Furstenburg over Shiancoe, but I'm not sure that happens.

 

Kind of a side note: I really think people are writing off Bajema because he's not flashy, but man is he great at blocking.  I kind of keyed in on him a bit and he operates like a lineman.

Furstenburg is a great athlete. I hope we keep him. He might become a major receiving threat. I also agree on Bajema.

[JoeyFlex5]

We have 16 regular season games to get ready for the play offs.
 
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