2013-2014 Fantasy Discussion Thread

[flaccopoe]

TE is very deep I know.  But Graham in a ppr league could be a game changer for a line-up.  If you get Graham you don't ever have to look at another TE for the rest of the draft. Worry about their inconsistencies or injuries.  

 

Graham has always done me well in this league.  I drafted him in the 7th round in 2011 and the 2nd round last year (He helped me win the championship). I almost see him as a good luck charm.  

 

Trust me, he'll be available in the mid-2nd round.  As for injuries, he did come back from wrist surgery, so he isn't unblemished.

[PuRock]

T-Rich, Forte, Jackson.

 

Oh if Trent falls, he's getting drafted no matter what.  I took S-Jax in Gabe's league.  I'm worried about putting too much faith in him across my teams.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I'm drafting at the end of drafts.  

 

If I go RB, I'm set to go Forte (unless someone falls).

 

Good looks.  I would also recommend Morris, who should see an increased workload.

 

Nah.  Not for a ppr.  It looks like Helu's got that third down role lock up.  In standard leagues, I have Morris as a top 12 pick.  

[gabefergy]

Alright guys I need to pick your brains because I keep flip-flopping strategies in my brain..  In my long-time money league I was awarded the 12th overall pick.  (12 team ppr, 1 QB TE Flex, 2 RB, 3 WR). 

 

Assuming no one falls, I have this strange desire to go WR-Jimmy Graham.  And pray I can get two decent RBs on the next swing (it is a 3 WR league).  This is coming from a guy that loves his RBs.    Then pick up a RB with one of my two swing picks going forward.   

 

Or should I go Forte-Graham?  Forte-Jackson? Jackson-WR?  AJ Green-Dez?  So many possibilities when you draft last.  Essentially, what would you do?

If one of the top RBs doesnt fall to you, McCoy maybe? I would go Graham and probably Dez. Forte, Jackson, CJ?K....none of them inspire faith in me. I would rather dominate TE and get an elite WR in a PPR. You should still be able to get decent RBs later. Maybe Miller/Wilson or Bernard/Vereen later.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Alright guys I need to pick your brains because I keep flip-flopping strategies in my brain..  In my long-time money league I was awarded the 12th overall pick.  (12 team ppr, 1 QB TE Flex, 2 RB, 3 WR). 

 

Assuming no one falls, I have this strange desire to go WR-Jimmy Graham.  And pray I can get two decent RBs on the next swing (it is a 3 WR league).  This is coming from a guy that loves his RBs.    Then pick up a RB with one of my two swing picks going forward.   

 

Or should I go Forte-Graham?  Forte-Jackson? Jackson-WR?  AJ Green-Dez?  So many possibilities when you draft last.  Essentially, what would you do?

 

On the bright side, I won't be there to steal your picks.

[PuRock]

If one of the top RBs doesnt fall to you, McCoy maybe? I would go Graham and probably Dez. Forte, Jackson, CJ?K....none of them inspire faith in me. I would rather dominate TE and get an elite WR in a PPR. You should still be able to get decent RBs later. Maybe Miller/Wilson or Bernard/Vereen later.

Yes, you're speaking my language. Jimmy-Dez is what want if no one falls. Top TE, Elite WR.

RB is sort of deep in a 12 team league. So instead of reaching, just pool up on the middling RB talent. We have deep 8 man benches.

[Gordo52]

TE is very deep I know.  But Graham in a ppr league could be a game changer for a line-up.  If you get Graham you don't ever have to look at another TE for the rest of the draft. Worry about their inconsistencies or injuries.  

 

Graham has always done me well in this league.  I drafted him in the 7th round in 2011 and the 2nd round last year (He helped me win the championship). I almost see him as a good luck charm.  

I would go with Graham + RB.... But of course, always go with your gut. (My problem, over thinking things).

 

The next wave I would take the best two available RB's unless a stud WR falls. But I'm not that experienced with standard ppr leagues so I don't know standard ppr player values.

 

Agree with Gabe actually. Makes sense.

[PuRock]

On the bright side, I won't be there to steal your picks.

I am very glad. Honestly its sort of nice to have the back-to-back picks.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I am very glad. Honestly its sort of nice to have the back-to-back picks.

 

Yeah, but then you have to sweat out lots of picks hoping that your guys fall.

[PuRock]

I would go with Graham + RB.... But of course, always go with your gut. (My problem, over thinking things).

 

The next wave I would take the best two available RB's unless a stud WR falls. But I'm not that experienced with standard ppr leagues so I don't know standard ppr player values.

 

Agree with Gabe actually. Makes sense.

 

Well if you go RB-Graham you are almost stuck going WR next turn.  Since you have to start 3 WRs in a ppr league.  So if you go RB-Graham you have to go RB-WR the next turn.  

[Gordo52]

Well if you go RB-Graham you are almost stuck going WR next turn.  Since you have to start 3 WRs in a ppr league.  So if you go RB-Graham you have to go RB-WR the next turn.  

Then that's what I would do. Graham could finish higher than a top 5 WR this year IMO....Maybe Hilton would be a good option in the 3rd? ... I'm sorry, my brains been over worked lately. Not quite sure exactly what I'm typing. lol

 

Maybe a good scenario could be, 

Graham - C.Johnson 28/Forte/Bush? (I'd imagine Reggie's PPR value has to be really high).

 

Hilton/Amendola/Austin - Wilson/Benard/Lacy/Bell

 

I would be surprised if Dez would still be available in the 1st. If he is then I would take him with one of those picks no matter what.

[flaccopoe]

Well if you go RB-Graham you are almost stuck going WR next turn.  Since you have to start 3 WRs in a ppr league.  So if you go RB-Graham you have to go RB-WR the next turn.  

 

You need 3 WRs?!  In that case, I would draft Megatron in the 1st, then Graham, then whatever's left at WR and RB.

[PuRock]

Maybe a good scenario could be, Graham - C.Johnson 28/Forte/Bush? (I'd imagine Reggie's PPR value has to be really high).

 

Hilton/Amendola/Austin - Wilson/Benard/Lacy/Bell

 

I would be surprised if Dez would still be available in the 1st. If he is then I would take him with one of those picks no matter what.

 

Dez will almost always be available at 12.  While I like both Bush and CJ in a ppr league I don't know if I could pick them 13 overall.  Most likely TE-RB scenario is Graham-Jackson or Graham-Forte.  If I had an early first round RB, I would target Bush in late round 2/early 3.

 

The WRs on the wrap are usually guys like V-Jax, Roddy White, Cobb, maybe even Andre Johnson if I'm lucky.   

 

You need 3 WRs?!  In that case, I would draft Megatron in the 1st, then Graham, then whatever's left at WR and RB.

 

I wish I lived in a world where I could go Calvin-Graham @12/13.  That would be insane.  Calvin is one of the guys I wish would fall.  Unfortunately Calvin is usually the first WR off the board in the mid-first.  

[flaccopoe]

Dez will almost always be available at 12.  While I like both Bush and CJ in a ppr league I don't know if I could pick them 13 overall.  Most likely TE-RB scenario is Graham-Jackson or Graham-Forte.  If I had an early first round RB, I would target Bush in late round 2/early 3.

 

The WRs on the wrap are usually guys like V-Jax, Roddy White, Cobb, maybe even Andre Johnson if I'm lucky.   

 

 

I wish I lived in a world where I could go Calvin-Graham @12/13.  That would be insane.  Calvin is one of the guys I wish would fall.  Unfortunately Calvin is usually the first WR off the board in the mid-first.  

 

Feel free to draft Julio Jones or Dez Bryant, then.

[gabefergy]

Dez will almost always be available at 12. While I like both Bush and CJ in a ppr league I don't know if I could pick them 13 overall. Most likely TE-RB scenario is Graham-Jackson or Graham-Forte. If I had an early first round RB, I would target Bush in late round 2/early 3.

The WRs on the wrap are usually guys like V-Jax, Roddy White, Cobb, maybe even Andre Johnson if I'm lucky.


I wish I lived in a world where I could go Calvin-Graham @12/13. That would be insane. Calvin is one of the guys I wish would fall. Unfortunately Calvin is usually the first WR off the board in the mid-first.

Or you could potentially go AJ/Dez and get Written/Gonzo/best RB next turn. You'll be weaker at RB but dominant at WR which is the biggest point scorer in PPRs.

[Gordo52]

Someone wants RG3 for the 1st pick overall. If he also gives me Graham in doing it. I'll draft Romo #1 and have Rodgers,Romo,Martin,Foster,Graham.

I'll also try to get a 5th or 6th out of him. I have to make this deal, right?

[PuRock]

Or you could potentially go AJ/Dez and get Written/Gonzo/best RB next turn. You'll be weaker at RB but dominant at WR which is the biggest point scorer in PPRs.

 

So many possibilities.  I've thought about Dez/AJ, but I think I want to get at least two positions at 12/13 since WR is deep.  If I do skip Graham, I'll probably be waiting on drafting a TE.  With a deep bench I can nab two high potential guys.

 

In 2011 I went WR-WR.  This was before Calvin was the consensus #1 and Johnson's ADP was higher.  I went Johnson-Roddy.  Needless to say Andre was hobbled and I took the wrong WR and I struggled. 

[PuRock]

Someone wants RG3 for the 1st pick overall. If he also gives me Graham in doing it. I'll draft Romo #1 and have Rodgers,Romo,Martin,Foster,Graham.

I'll also try to get a 5th or 6th out of him. I have to make this deal, right?

 

So you get the #1 pick & Graham and potentially a 6th round pick for RG3?  

 

Does a Polar Bear poo on ice?.......Yea. (courtesy of Jacoby)

[Sizzlebshu]

Jimmy Graham in a 10 team league - when to draft?

 

Right now I have a mid-3rd to 4th round grade on him. The reason for that being you have to start 3 wideouts and I feel that it is important to make sure you grab two productive ones. In addition, while Graham is a game changer,I don't know if he is so much better than getting a guy like Roddy White for example and taking V-Davis or Witten later. Graham would need to put up top tier WR1 numbers (which he can and I put at 1200 yards + 10+ TD's) to justify it.

[gabefergy]

Jimmy Graham in a 10 team league - when to draft?

Right now I have a mid-3rd to 4th round grade on him. The reason for that being you have to start 3 wideouts and I feel that it is important to make sure you grab two productive ones. In addition, while Graham is a game changer,I don't know if he is so much better than getting a guy like Roddy White for example and taking V-Davis or Witten later. Graham would need to put up top tier WR1 numbers (which he can and I put at 1200 yards + 10+ TD's) to justify it.

Graham is much better because of position scarcity. He's 2nd rounder no doubt, you could make an argument for top 12 in a ppr. He will get you 90- catches, 1,200 yds and 10 TDs. The fact that you can compare his numbers to that of a top 10 WR shows how valuable he is. Gonzalez and Witten will put up good numbers but doubtful to be in the same stratosphere.

[Sizzlebshu]

Graham is much better because of position scarcity. He's 2nd rounder no doubt, you could make an argument for top 12 in a ppr. He will get you 90- catches, 1,200 yds and 10 TDs. The fact that you can compare his numbers to that of a top 10 WR shows how valuable he is. Gonzalez and Witten will put up good numbers but doubtful to be in the same stratosphere.

Yea but the question isn't is Graham going to be better than wide receiver x

 

the question is, is Graham and idk let's say Dwayne Bowe better than Larry Fitz/Roddy White (some early round receiver) + Jason Witten/Tony G in a format where starting 3 wideouts is mandatory?  

[RavensPunkXVX]

20-man league? :o You should try to draft a franchise QB in the 1st round, before they run out. Trust me, you don't want to get stuck with Mark Sanchez.

 

I'm just gonna keep an eye out and see what the trend is with everyone. I'd like to get a solid running back, but maybe in the second?

 

If I could get my hands on a top 2-3 QB in the first, who should I go with?

 

This has me stressing, lol. With only a need for one QB, I'd still have a shot at twelve others, ideally. 

[Gordo52]

Didn't give the dude enough credit. He's not doing it....yet. ;)

[gabefergy]

Yea but the question isn't is Graham going to be better than wide receiver x

 

the question is, is Graham and idk let's say Dwayne Bowe better than Larry Fitz/Roddy White (some early round receiver) + Jason Witten/Tony G in a format where starting 3 wideouts is mandatory?  

It is because Graham is far and away the best TE. The advantage he gives you over Witten/Tony G is substantial. Similar to Megatron vs the rest of the WR population. WR is a much deeper position than TE so chances are you can still get a player who be comparable to Roddy/Fitz in the next round.

 

So yeah, the difference between Graham and Witten is greater than the difference between Roddy and Bowe or w/e the best WR available will be. In a 10 team league you can get very good WRs in round 3-5.

[PuRock]

I just did a 12-team mock draft @ 12 and ended up with Forte/Jimmy Graham then I had Roddy White/Randall Cobb fall into my lap on the turnaround.  Grant it this was a start 2 WR RB w/ Flex.  I like that turn-out.  

 

Forte, Matt RB 1 12 191.8 Cobb, Randall WR 4 37 168.8 White, Roddy WR 3 36 171 Nicks, Hakeem RB-WR 6 61 140.2 Graham, Jimmy TE 2 13 161

[PuRock]

I just did a 12-team mock draft @ 12 and ended up with Forte/Jimmy Graham then I had Roddy White/Randall Cobb fall into my lap on the turnaround.  Grant it this was a start 2 WR RB w/ Flex.  I like that turn-out.  

 

[flaccopoe]

I'm just gonna keep an eye out and see what the trend is with everyone. I'd like to get a solid running back, but maybe in the second?

 

If I could get my hands on a top 2-3 QB in the first, who should I go with?

 

This has me stressing, lol. With only a need for one QB, I'd still have a shot at twelve others, ideally. 

 

Brees, Newton or A-Rod.

[flaccopoe]

Someone wants RG3 for the 1st pick overall. If he also gives me Graham in doing it. I'll draft Romo #1 and have Rodgers,Romo,Martin,Foster,Graham.

I'll also try to get a 5th or 6th out of him. I have to make this deal, right?

 

Why would your draft Romo in the 1st, especially seeing as you have Rodgers?  You need a WR.

[flaccopoe]

I just did a 12-team mock draft @ 12 and ended up with Forte/Jimmy Graham then I had Roddy White/Randall Cobb fall into my lap on the turnaround.  Grant it this was a start 2 WR RB w/ Flex.  I like that turn-out.  

 

 

Who is your K & D and what's your bench?

[gabefergy]

I just did a 12-team mock draft @ 12 and ended up with Forte/Jimmy Graham then I had Roddy White/Randall Cobb fall into my lap on the turnaround.  Grant it this was a start 2 WR RB w/ Flex.  I like that turn-out.  

 

That is nice, is this a PPR league? I cant believe you would get those WRs in a PPR.

[Gordo52]

Why would your draft Romo in the 1st, especially seeing as you have Rodgers? You need a WR.

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