Excellent analysis of Cam Cameron vs. Jim Caldwell

[ravensfan160]

I really like Peter King's new MMQB website. They have a lot of good articles. This one in particular does an excellent job of visually illustrating the difference between the two coordinators last year. In particular he shows how Caldwell attacked the middle of the field more. It is a fun read.

 

 

 

 

 

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/06/the-post-pitta-problem-its-a-big-one/?sct=nfl_t1t_a1

 

[berad]

That wasn't Peter King writing it but was a great read. Thank you for sharing

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Excellent read, thanks for sharing.

 

I especially love the diagrams lol

[Grapple Raven]

Fantastic read, thanks for sharing! Hears to hoping we can hold on to Caldwell! lol

[beasy2487]

Cam Cam Cam!!!

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

read it this morning at work, very good read indeed

[easternshore97]

Pretty spot on. There's no reason any defense should have been able to stop our offense from 2010 - 2012. No way they should be able to take every single weapon away...no reason except for Cam

[ravensfan160]

That wasn't Peter King writing it but was a great read. Thank you for sharing

I actually didn't say it was his article. I said it's his website, but I can see how you might have thought that. Regardless, the guy who did write it did a nice job. Did you see the link imbedded in this article to another article the guy wrote breaking down how Torrey burnt Champ Baily in the playoffs? That's another good read.

[ravens533]

What the article didn't mention was Ozzie's talent for finding great players at this time of the year. If we get to the regular schedule and still have not got answers for the middle, then I will worry.

[berad]

I actually didn't say it was his article. I said it's his website, but I can see how you might have thought that. Regardless, the guy who did write it did a nice job. Did you see the link imbedded in this article to another article the guy wrote breaking down how Torrey burnt Champ Baily in the playoffs? That's another good read.

 

I know I was just making the distinction. Peter King hasn't gone that deep into football in a long time.

 

And I hadn't but I just clicked on it. That was awesome. I really need to get on All-22 for these offseasons

[easternshore97]

Just one other thought from the article, funny how people said boo and hiss @ the Ravens for making a change this late in the year because nothing good can come of it.

 

Yet another reason for all the naysayers to go and kick rocks

[billick]

When Joe stood upright, holding the ball, it was because what he was told to see was not able to be seen. It was not present when he was told it would be.

 

The blame was Cam Cam's, not Joes. But, Cam Cam was not holdng the ball. All people could see was Joe standing around.

 

Be where you are supposed to be, see what you are supposed to see. But, it has to be there before you can see it.

 

I just don't understand why Cam Cam stayed so long.

[jimmypowder]

The biggest difference between Cameron & Caldwell was Cam did not call

plays geared to a  players' strengths and Caldwell does.

 

I always got the feeling that Cam had a gameplan and if the ship was sinking

he stuck with the gameplan .

 

I get none of this feeling with Caldwell .Nada.

[Blackbirds Rule]

[jazz1988]

that was good to read it really prove how important Boldin was  also Pitta.  I think people really underrate how important a dangerous slot receiver can  do for offense  especially if you combine that with dangerous outside receiver; Tandon Doss , Deonte Thompson and David Reed have to step up because unless the ravens sign some solid veteran slot receiver it may be some problems on offense well not fully since the run game will be very good .

[sliceanddic3]

Good article, Flacco haters need to read this before arguing that Joe is only "average".

[ravensfan160]

The main thing I took away from the article was Caldwell has common sense whereas Cameron kept trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. It sounds harsh but the results speak for themselves.

[CARavensFan]

That was very interesting to read and to see how the change at the top can lead to some very subtle, but critical, differences.

[beasy2487]

that was good to read it really prove how important Boldin was also Pitta. I think people really underrate how important a dangerous slot receiver can do for offense especially if you combine that with dangerous outside receiver; Tandon Doss , Deonte Thompson and David Reed have to step up because unless the ravens sign some solid veteran slot receiver it may be some problems on offense well not fully since the run game will be very good .

I don't think folks are underrating the importance of a dangerous slot receiver. Rather they are expressing confidence that one of the other guys we've been developing for years can step into that role.

What I don't understand, is that although it's clear that Q and Pitta got better because Caldwell put them in better spots, for some reason we aren't confident that he can do the same things for our other guys? Especially having a whole offseason to scheme for them.

On top of all of that, I think we've proven that simply signing a vet that had success in the past right before the season is no guarantee. See: Lee Evans, Housh, et al.

[jaege]

I have yet to hear anything from camp that one of these young guys has broken out, and Housh did a fair job. He was also not used correctly by the Idiot(Cam). I just hope that Caldwell can get at least one of the young guys to make that leap.

[5aiah]

I don't think folks are underrating the importance of a dangerous slot receiver. Rather they are expressing confidence that one of the other guys we've been developing for years can step into that role.

What I don't understand, is that although it's clear that Q and Pitta got better because Caldwell put them in better spots, for some reason we aren't confident that he can do the same things for our other guys? Especially having a whole offseason to scheme for them.
 

We don't have anyone who are near the level Q and Pitta were in the slot though. None of them have the hands,route running,or physicality. DT could surprise though since he has something they did not. But for all the praise being heaped onto Doss he is still dropping routine passes and passes before contact. 

[Irish Raven]

Super article

[mgridda]

My eyes are going to be on Tandon Doss tomorrow.

 

Like, 100% of the time, on offense. If he's not on the field, then maybe Juice-check, or Deonte. I think Tandon has to be the answer. He really does. If these young guys at tight end aren't panning out over the pre-season, then I'd like us to sign Dallas Clark or Todd Heap.

[T3hRaven]

I appreciate his route analysis but it feels like he only wrote half an article and basically ignored any discussion of possible solutions. I don't think we need a tank like Q was across the middle. Not many players can do that and plenty of teams are successful at working the middle of the field without that (Manning with the Colts comes to mind). I'm not that worried, Caldwell impressed me last season and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt to figure it out.

[jazz1988]

We don't have anyone who are near the level Q and Pitta were in the slot though. None of them have the hands,route running,or physicality. DT could surprise though since he has something they did not. But for all the praise being heaped onto Doss he is still dropping routine passes and passes before contact. 

the ravens have alot of options when it comes to finding that solid slot guy it could be Doss, Thompson,Shiancoe, Klye J, David Reed(hes my sleeper wideout) and etc .Doss has been solid in camp so far i havent heard to many negatives about him and yes he has drop some passes also has had some bad days in camp but that can happen with any player even  elite  pass catching recievers.

 

Im not too worried about whoms going to fill the slot void because of pitta and Boldin departure(pitta not technically  a departure but you should get it). I overall have a feeling that Doss and Thompson are going to do fine  and dont forget Reed i think he might surprise some people

[izvoodoo]

My eyes are going to be on Tandon Doss tomorrow.

 

Like, 100% of the time, on offense. If he's not on the field, then maybe Juice-check, or Deonte. I think Tandon has to be the answer. He really does. If these young guys at tight end aren't panning out over the pre-season, then I'd like us to sign Dallas Clark or Todd Heap.

We signed Shiancoe, who's probably better than both.

[PurpleReign92]

The difference is Cam has been here since 07 and we come close.  With Caldwell 1st year in the job and we go to the helm and he gets a ring..

[Militant X 1]

i didn't have to read anymore after reading this....

 

So what was Cameron’s problem? His offense didn’t use all the threats in unison, or to their full potential. The Ravens had the pieces to attack all three levels to the defense—Rice, Pierce and fullback Vonta Leach in the short field; Boldin and Pitta in the middle; and Smith and Jones deep—but synergy never materialized because Cameron failed to use Boldin and Pitta in the best way possible.

 

^ we all have been saying this for years!!  good article though.

 

~Mili

[PurpleCityLights]

Cam Cam Cam!!!

You should stop before you look in the mirror & he's standing behind you holding a clipboard.

[berad]

You should stop before you look in the mirror & he's standing behind you holding a clipboard IHOP menu.

Scary stuff!

Cameron wasn't terrible, definitely compared to what we had pre-2008. His system just grew stale and he wasn't adapting to the players the Ravens got him. You don't send Anquan Boldin and TJ Houshmandzadeh on 20 fly routes in a game.