PFF's take on the Ravens and advanced statistics

[5aiah]

I regularly browse PFF and have been waiting for them to do their "32 Teams in 32 Days" for Baltimore. They do an excellent job at highlighting exactly what the focusing points are for us going forward in terms of predicting what we can do this upcoming year. I also wanted to get others opinions on advanced statistics as I will be buying a subscription and could keep a thread going throughout the season if people are interested. Here is their article,it is very objective and the stats they use really tell the story. What are your guys favorite advanced stats?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/07/31/32-teams-in-32-days-baltimore-ravens-2/

 

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

I agree with the majority of this. I'm glad that they gave Webb his highly deserved credit. 

[5aiah]

I agree with the majority of this. I'm glad that they gave Webb his highly deserved credit. 

Outstanding in the slot, where he allowed an average of just 0.57 yards per coverage snap on 121 snaps in 2012

Webb is truly a excellent cover guy but you should have seen their rating for him in the run game. Haden and Revis won't do what Webb will in terms of run defense.

[Ravensfan23]

That was pretty fair. The loss of slot production is huge, but at the same time you just don't know what to expect from the guys we have. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

The interesting thing about Joe is people are wondering if that's the real Flacco that won the SB or was it just a fluke. I in turn think that Flacco will greatly improve upon his play this year. The reason Joe completely less then 60% of his passes was because there weren't enough high percentage passes in the offense. Even though Caldwell was calling the plays it was still Cam's offense.

 

Now with Caldwell and Joe having a full offseason together, the offense should be much more efficient. I'm glad to see someone else noticed the impact that the interior of the oline had during the super bowl run, instead of just giving Bmac all the credit. KO, Gino and Yanda will be huge for this team imo.

[5aiah]

This is the PFF "Page of Fame" for Fullbacks. It list the best performances in the league since 2008. Leach has the best but also made it two other times (one as a Raven and one as a texan). Also for those of us who remember Leron McClain he made the list for his performance AFTER going back to full time FB for us.

[K-Dog]

Wow.

 

I am speechless.  A well educated well written article about the RAVENS.

[cursona pirate]

Wow.

 

I am speechless.  A well educated well written article about the RAVENS.

I agree! I was surprised! 

[beasy2487]

...real analysis of the Ravens????????????? I'm going to bed. Or am I already dreaming?? I don't know anymore! #PFFception

[5aiah]

...real analysis of the Ravens????????????? I'm going to bed. Or am I already dreaming?? I don't know anymore! #PFFception

Glad you guys like their work so much, this is where i get most of my info from. Their job is to watch the games from multiple angles over and over and of course no politics or bias toward certain markets. But which advanced stats do you guys like so I know which ones to highlight in a future thread? 

[flaccopoe]

Damn, Pierce is even more impressive than I thought!  And yikes, Boldin and Pitta accounted for 72.3% of BAL's yd and 14/16 TD?  That will be very hard to replace with BAL's very nubile receiving corps.

[usmccharles]

Great article read, i agree with basically everything said.  I still think we are better than the Patriots, because look at who they lost: over 400 of his 500+ completions wont be there week one.  Bengals will be a tough team this year, its going to be interesting for sure. 

[gabefergy]

I think the best part of PFF are the numbers they give you and the signature stats. The grades by themselves give an idea, but I always like to look at the context too.

[beanfigger]

Unfortunately, it isn't the stats that are my main worry.  Our schedule is tough (and inconsistent in terms of week length, which has been an issue for us during the latest regime), and Harbaugh will be counted on to lead put our team back on the right path more than ever should we struggle for a stretch this season.  I have a lot of faith in him, but it is somewhat of an unknown considering he has had a locker room full of veteran leaders since he took over.  The other unknown is the rookie class, which will be highly relied upon, as well as our receiving corp.  If all of these things work out the way I hope and expect them to, we'll be more than fine.  However, they are unknowns without any statistical or historical basis to keep me worry-free.

[5aiah]

Damn, Pierce is even more impressive than I thought!  

I know right.Lol

 

Unfortunately, it isn't the stats that are my main worry.  However, they are unknowns without any statistical or historical basis to keep me worry-free.

Very true,I think this first season has insanely huge implications on the direction of the franchise going forward. 

[Corvus]

PFF always does some good work and seeing as they look at facts, they have the ability to be objective instead of just mindlessly bashing the Ravens as most of the media does. There are certainly some concerns as they point out, but they are one of the few sites I've seen actually acknowledge the Cam to Caldwell switch. No one here will deny that Joe needs to be more consistent in the regular season, but like Ravens fans, they understand that Cameron's playcalling and inability to properly use his players was cause for at least 50% of the blame in this situation. And they've always been very high on Lardarius so no surprise on their thoughts there, if I remember right they graded him out as their second best cornerback in the league in '11. In other words, they actually pay attention to games instead of focusing on gossip.

[5aiah]

PFF finally came to camp and gives us a look at what is going on. He revised his earlier chart and added position battles in, based on his take of our camp. He's done interesting work on the Pats,Broncos, Steelers, and Bengals(if you want to take a look at our competition).

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/06/neils-nfl-daily-august-6-2013/

[Sami84]

we have quite a few below average players. To be honest aside from Michael Oher whom i feel is an above average right tackle and dumervill who is anything but average he's got it right.

 

I just don't trust jimmy smith.

[5aiah]

we have quite a few below average players. To be honest aside from Michael Oher whom i feel is an above average right tackle and dumervill who is anything but average he's got it right.

 

I just don't trust jimmy smith.

Dumervil they feel is average overall because of how bad he is against the run. That being said I think Upshaw will be used more on early downs anyway.

[Sami84]

no player who is 29 and a 4 time pro bowler coming off an 11.5 sack season is average no matter what.

[Sami84]

Also, I for one feel Arthur Brown- Daryl Smith is the best combo. Playing alongside Daryl will help brown.

 

I noticed he downgraded flacco to above average.

[CARavensFan]

Also, I for one feel Arthur Brown- Daryl Smith is the best combo. Playing alongside Daryl will help brown.

I noticed he downgraded flacco to above average.

The hate has already begun lol
*sarcasm*

[5aiah]

CARavensFan, on 06 Aug 2013 - 6:36 PM, said:

The hate has already begun lol

That isn't hate though, we don't know what Flacco can do under these conditions. He will be called upon to lead these young guys(who don't all have the best hands) and play a less possession style offense. Dickson isn't even a Possession TE so aside from Doss(who still drops routine passes in practice) possession receivers are almost nonexistent. He has a totally different set of weapons to work with and no one knows how well he will do.


Edit: Also it seems Brown just hasn't earned the job yet. We don't just give jobs away to rookies.

[Sami84]

Here is my honest take: edit. im going to make this fun and put in my honest madden ratings.

 

ELITE

High Quality

ABOVE AVERAGE

AVERAGE

BELOW AVERAGE

CRAP

 

Marshal Yanda : Elite 98

Haloti Ngata : Elite 98

Terrell Suggs: Elite 98

Vonta Leach : Elite 97

 

High Quality

Ray Rice 94

Joe flacco 92

Daryl Smith 88

Kelechi Osemele 90

Lardarius Webb ( if he's the same player I'd put him in elite) 91 ( if back to his best 94)

Denis Pitta ( if only) 89

Elvis Dumervil 89

Sam Koch : 91

Justin Tucker : 93

 

Above Average

Michael Huff 86

Matt Elam ( im guessing this is where he is at) 85

Corey Graham 84

Torrey Smith 87

Michael Oher 87

Bernard Pierce ( best 2nd string running back in the league) 86

Chris Canty 87 

Arthur Jones 87

Courtney Upshaw 86

Arthur Brown ( I'm guessing where he is at, i think 2nd round was a steal) 85

Bryant Mckinnie 87

 

 

Average

Jacoby Jones 81

Ed Dickson 79

James Ihedibo 77

Pernell Mcphee ( could move up) 78

Jameel Mclain 79

Gino 79

Chykie Brown ( could move up) 78

Marcus Spears 76

Aq Shipley 78

 

Below Average

Jimmy smith ( i just don't believe in the kid, sorry) 75

Tandon Doss (until proven otherwise) 73

Denote Thompson ( until proven otherwise)73

Shiancoe 72

Terrance Cody: 70

 

Poor

David Reed 69

Others.

[hawkprey]

They have to stick to their rubric when grading these guys. Webb, Ngata, and Sizzle were all injured or hurt last year, so they're in the group below "elite" and Flacco didn't grade out well so he's "above average". 50 players league-wide were considered "elite" and the PFF writer(s) felt that only Yanda was deserving.

 

If you choose to believe the writer, then our starting lineup is about as talented as the Eagles and Browns.

[CARavensFan]

That isn't hate though, we don't know what Flacco can do under these conditions. He will be called upon to lead these young guys(who don't all have the best hands) and play a less possession style offense. Dickson isn't even a Possession TE so aside from Doss(who still drops routine passes in practice) possession receivers are almost nonexistent. He has a totally different set of weapons to work with and no one knows how well he will do.


Edit: Also it seems Brown just hasn't earned the job yet. We don't just give jobs away to rookies.

I actually agree with you, my previous comment was sarcastic. Sorry I didn't make that clear lol

[5aiah]

They have to stick to their rubric when grading these guys. Webb, Ngata, and Sizzle were all injured or hurt last year, so they're in the group below "elite" and Flacco didn't grade out well so he's "above average". 50 players league-wide were considered "elite" and the PFF writer(s) felt that only Yanda was deserving.

 

If you choose to believe the writer, then our starting lineup is about as talented as the Eagles and Browns.

Actually it wasn't about the grading as much for Flacco. He was downgraded after the visit to camp so this guy saw something(Flacco struggling with no blankets) and took him down a knotch, not based on last years grade. Also only Yanda is deserving of the elite title because he is the best RG in the league. None of the others on the team can say they are the best at their position.

[Sami84]

guys if flacco struggles this year its going to be bad..we might win games ( defence and running game) but he will be targeted viciously by the media

[hawkprey]

Actually it wasn't about the grading as much for Flacco. He was downgraded after the visit to camp so this guy saw something(Flacco struggling with no blankets) and took him down a knotch, not based on last years grade. Also only Yanda is deserving of the elite title because he is the best RG in the league. None of the others on the team can say they are the best at their position.

That would be stupid to change the entire category of a player because of one practice when you saw him start 20 games last year. It would also be stupid to change his category because of the players around him. I'm pretty sure the point of analyzing players individually is to judge them as individuals.

[beasy2487]

Here is my honest take: edit. im going to make this fun and put in my honest madden ratings.

ELITE
High Quality
ABOVE AVERAGE
AVERAGE
BELOW AVERAGE
CRAP

Marshal Yanda : Elite 98
Haloti Ngata : Elite 98
Terrell Suggs: Elite 98
Vonta Leach : Elite 97

High Quality
Ray Rice 94
Joe flacco 92
Daryl Smith 88
Kelechi Osemele 90
Lardarius Webb ( if he's the same player I'd put him in elite) 91 ( if back to his best 94)
Denis Pitta ( if only) 89
Elvis Dumervil 89
Sam Koch : 91
Justin Tucker : 93

Above Average
Michael Huff 86
Matt Elam ( im guessing this is where he is at) 85
Corey Graham 84
Torrey Smith 87
Michael Oher 87
Bernard Pierce ( best 2nd string running back in the league) 86
Chris Canty 87
Arthur Jones 87
Courtney Upshaw 86
Arthur Brown ( I'm guessing where he is at, i think 2nd round was a steal) 85


Average
Jacoby Jones 81
Ed Dickson 79
James Ihedibo 77
Pernell Mcphee ( could move up) 78
Jameel Mclain 79
Gino 79
Chykie Brown ( could move up) 78
Marcus Spears 76
Aq Shipley 78

Below Average
Jimmy smith ( i just don't believe in the kid, sorry) 75
Tandon Doss (until proven otherwise) 73
Denote Thompson ( until proven otherwise)73
Shiancoe 72
Terrance Cody: 70

Poor
David Reed 69
Others.

Hm...just so I'm clear, how do you feel about Jimmy Smith?

[beasy2487]

That would be stupid to change the entire category of a player because of one practice when you saw him start 20 games last year. It would also be stupid to change his category because of the players around him. I'm pretty sure the point of analyzing players individually is to judge them as individuals.

PFF is infallible. How dare you.