Fantasy football rankings: QBs

[ravensdan]

Tier one: stand alone
1. Aaron Rodgers

Tier two: lock top 5 every week
2. Drew Brees
3. Peyton manning

Tier three: likely top 5-10 every week
4. Russell Wilson
5. Tom Brady
6. Cam newton
7. matt Ryan

Tier 4: likely top 5-15 every week

8. Tony romo
9. Colin kapernick
10. Eli manning
11. Carson Palmer
12. Andrew luck
13. Matthew stafford


Tier 5: inconsistent scorers. Likely top 5 to to 20 each week, also players who will put up multiple zeros due to injury.)

14. Ben roethlesbeger
15. Joe flacco
16. Robert griffin 3
17. Sam Bradford
18. Michael Vick
19. jay cutler
20. Alex smith
21. Josh freeman

Tier 6: last resort starters, not ideal

22. Matt Schaub
23. Andy dalton
24. Phillip rivers
25. Ryan tannehill

Tier 7: uh oh, something's gone horribly wrong

26. Jake locker
27. Kolb/Manuel
28. Christian ponder
29. Matt Flynn
30. Chad henne
31. Mark Sanchez
32. Brandon weeden

Can't wait to hear the feedback. I know there are at least 5 guys here that are ranked way different than the consensus I feel strongly about.

[flaccopoe]

I think Brees is actually a better fantasy QB than Rodgers.  With The Cook, Sean Payton, back in the kitchen, Brees will be lighting up the league again.  Also, I think you should swap Cutler and Schaub's places.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I'd bump Cam to tier 2 due to his added points from running the ball effectively. Wilson could also qualify for that bump IMO if you think he won't slump this year. Also Locker should be in the last resort starters category since he puts up solid numbers when he plays. The durability limits him to last resort to this point though.

[flaccopoe]

I'd bump Cam to tier 2 due to his added points from running the ball effectively. Wilson could also qualify for that bump IMO if you think he won't slump this year. Also Locker should be in the last resort starters category since he puts up solid numbers when he plays. The durability limits him to last resort to this point though.

 

Brees or Rodgers, Senor Yahtzee?

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Brees or Rodgers, Senor Yahtzee?

They both belong in Tier 1 IMO. So the tier 1 name needs to be changed.

[flaccopoe]

They both belong in Tier 1 IMO.

 

I know, I was asking you who you preferred.

[PuRock]

I'd bump Cam to tier 2 due to his added points from running the ball effectively. Wilson could also qualify for that bump IMO if you think he won't slump this year. Also Locker should be in the last resort starters category since he puts up solid numbers when he plays. The durability limits him to last resort to this point though.

 

Agreed.  Even with the fantastic year that Peyton had last year.  Cam still finished ahead of him, I believe.

 

I have Cam a lot higher. 

[PuRock]

I'd bump Cam to tier 2 due to his added points from running the ball effectively. Wilson could also qualify for that bump IMO if you think he won't slump this year. Also Locker should be in the last resort starters category since he puts up solid numbers when he plays. The durability limits him to last resort to this point though.

 

Agreed abut Cam.  I think he is a tie 2 guy.  

[ravensdan]

I feel Rodgers is significantly ahead of Brees due to improved line play there. Remember 11 when Rodgers had time as well as a running game? He has a chance to be a record breaking fantasy player this year.

Conversely the New Orleans line is weakened. Their tackles are not as good as years past. This leaves room for Brees to take more hits than normal. Same as Peyton manning.

The difference for me of those top 3 is the consistency. They will throw successfully 10 out of 13 games in my estimation which is what separates them from the tier 2.

What keeps cam out of that is his mental make up. While he is capable of surpassing guys ahead if him. When the chips are down I don't have the same confidence in him.

Wilson is only a matter of offensive philosophy keeping him a step behind.

Now I preface all of this by saying the margin of difference between number 1 and 21 is not great at all. This is the deepest fantasy qb class ever.

As for locker, he could bump up a notch I agree with that.

[PuRock]

I feel Rodgers is significantly ahead of Brees due to improved line play there. Remember 11 when Rodgers had time as well as a running game? He has a chance to be a record breaking fantasy player this year.

Conversely the New Orleans line is weakened. Their tackles are not as good as years past. This leaves room for Brees to take more hits than normal. Same as Peyton manning.

The difference for me of those top 3 is the consistency. They will throw successfully 10 out of 13 games in my estimation which is what separates them from the tier 2.

What keeps cam out of that is his mental make up. While he is capable of surpassing guys ahead if him. When the chips are down I don't have the same confidence in him.

Wilson is only a matter of offensive philosophy keeping him a step behind.

Now I preface all of this by saying the margin of difference between number 1 and 21 is not great at all. This is the deepest fantasy qb class ever.

As for locker, he could bump up a notch I agree with that.

 

I feel that same way too.  And another major different is INTs.  I think over the last three years, Brees has thrown almost double the amount of INTs as Rodgers has.  

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I know, I was asking you who you preferred.

For fantasy? In general? Both?

[flaccopoe]

For fantasy? In general? Both?

This is a fantasy thread, what do you think?  :eyes:

[The Oakland Cathedral]

This is a fantasy thread, what do you think? :eyes:

Well, I never know with you Poe. Anyways I'd say Brees because of the offense NO runs.

[flaccopoe]

Well, I never know with you Poe. Anyways I'd say Brees because of the offense NO runs.

 

What do you mean, NO has Thomas and Ingram?

[The Oakland Cathedral]

What do you mean, NO has Thomas and Ingram?

Yes because Thomas and Ingram are amazing backs... They produce so much...

[PuRock]

What keeps cam out of that is his mental make up. While he is capable of surpassing guys ahead if him. When the chips are down I don't have the same confidence in him.
 

 

While this may be true in real life football, down the stretch last year he was the hottest QB in fantasy football.   He's only going into his third year as well!  

 

Last nine regular season games played (6 points for Passing TD & Rushing TD, 1 point for 25 yards, -2 INT):

 

Cam - 228

Wilson - 226

Brees - 224

Rodgers - 215

Manning - 202

[flaccopoe]

While this may be true in real life football, down the stretch last year he was the hottest QB in fantasy football.   He's only going into his third year as well!  

 

Last nine regular season games played (6 points for Passing TD & Rushing TD, 1 point for 25 yards, -2 INT):

 

Cam - 228

Wilson - 226

Brees - 224

Rodgers - 215

Manning - 202

 

Yep, I love me some Fig Newton-s!  His running is what makes him fantasy gold.

[PuRock]

Yep, I love me some Fig Newton-s! His running is what makes him fantasy gold.

Yep. That and his goal line ability. Those figures above are for six points per passing TD. If the number was 4 points (like many leagues), he was even that more dominant down the stretch.

[easternshore97]

I think Brees is actually a better fantasy QB than Rodgers.  With The Cook, Sean Payton, back in the kitchen, Brees will be lighting up the league again.  Also, I think you should swap Cutler and Schaub's places.

Wait a minute - how did Schaub get to be better than Cutler? Cutler and his picks are one thing. But Schaub and his inability to make the 3rd down throws (New England both times last year left a real bad taste in my mouth for him)

[flaccopoe]

Wait a minute - how did Schaub get to be better than Cutler? Cutler and his picks are one thing. But Schaub and his inability to make the 3rd down throws (New England both times last year left a real bad taste in my mouth for him)

 

I found him to be more reliable than Cutler.  We have no idea how Cutler will mesh with Trestman's system, plus Forte is injury-prone.

[easternshore97]

I found him to be more reliable than Cutler.  We have no idea how Cutler will mesh with Trestman's system, plus Forte is injury-prone.

But you know which 2 New England games from last year I'm referring to right? I mean Houston could have had a shot...that guy just never made the throws to keep the chains moving

 

I guess it's whatever. Ravensdan did say the margin of difference is slim

 

All I know is I would hate to be at a spot in the draft where I had to pick between the 2.

 

I had Cutler one year. The first year where he assaulted Brett Favre's record on INTs...he was going for 3 and 4 per night. Can't remember if I sat him or cut him or what...

[flaccopoe]

But you know which 2 New England games from last year I'm referring to right? I mean Houston could have had a shot...that guy just never made the throws to keep the chains moving

 

I guess it's whatever. Ravensdan did say the margin of difference is slim

 

All I know is I would hate to be at a spot in the draft where I had to pick between the 2.

 

I had Cutler one year. The first year where he assaulted Brett Favre's record on INTs...he was going for 3 and 4 per night. Can't remember if I sat him or cut him or what...

 

How are you feeling about this years' TEs?

[PuRock]

How are you feeling about this years' TEs?

To sum up:

There's Jimmy, then spin the wheel, then pick your poison.

[flaccopoe]

To sum up:

There's Jimmy, then spin the wheel, then pick your poison.

 

Not a Davis fan?

[The Oakland Cathedral]

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Yep, I love me some Fig Newton-s! His running is what makes him fantasy gold.[/quote]He is what won me my league last year! Don't regret taking him 7th overall one bit!

[PuRock]

Not a Davis fan?

He's a spin the wheel guy. Though the reports of him lining up as a WR are intriguing.

But Boldin might keep him inconsistent like he did Pitta.

[easternshore97]

How are you feeling about this years' TEs?

Vernon Davis, Jimmy Graham, the Minnesota kid

 

I think Fred Davis or Ed Dickson or the Indy TE would be a decent pick in later TE drafting rounds. I haven't really ever thought too much of Martellus but maybe he's a good late TE round pick too

[flaccopoe]

Vernon Davis, Jimmy Graham, the Minnesota kid

 

I think Fred Davis or Ed Dickson or the Indy TE would be a decent pick in later TE drafting rounds. I haven't really ever thought too much of Martellus but maybe he's a good late TE round pick too

 

Kyle Rudolph, lol.  Myers should be good in NYG.

[ravensdan]

While this may be true in real life football, down the stretch last year he was the hottest QB in fantasy football. He's only going into his third year as well!

Last nine regular season games played (6 points for Passing TD & Rushing TD, 1 point for 25 yards, -2 INT):

Cam - 228
Wilson - 226
Brees - 224
Rodgers - 215
Manning - 202

You just made my point for me. You mention the last 9 games, but what about the first 8? That's what keeps him just behind the other guys IMO. I have him at 6 so he's right there. I could put him over Brady and I just like Wilson better as those two should Finnish close.

[easternshore97]

Kyle Rudolph, lol.  Myers should be good in NYG.

I scooped up Rudolph last year and he was getting in the endzone.

 

Lance Kendricks or Scott Chandler could be a steal