Next Year, Who Can We Keep

[DTenGil]

coming down the stretch with all the Raven's success, I haven't heard much, if anything at all, about the futures of Suggs, Scott, and Lewis. Wasn't one of the key goals to get Sizzle signed up for the near future? Signing him to a long term deal would free up the franchise tag. Slap the tag on Lewis for next year, and we might be able to sign Scott and hang onto all three of them. any thoughts?

[Sub-Zero]

I think we will let either Scott or Suggs go, both talented but they are replaceable!

[JO_75]

Well I definitly think the front office will release the guys who are going to be FA at the end of the year who we don't need. Ray Ray and Sizzle will be the top 2 components in the off-season. Ray Lewis has said before that money isn't an issue, so with Ray I'm not worried he'll hold out or ask for more money, I'm sure he'll take less money to help the Ravens be able to re-sign Terrell, and other key players, and also would allow the Ravens to draft a big name WR and CB in the first two rounds of the 2009 draft.

[K-Dog]

Suggs has well proven his value as a player.

[1/28/01]

Just like Jamie Sharper, Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adalius Thomas etc - Scott is a product of his envirnment.

We are known for making LB's better than they really are. These players leave us and they're never the same.

We have enough LB's in the wing (McClain, Barnes etc) that can replace Scott.

WE NEED LEWIS AND SUGGS!!!!

Sorry Scott

[flynismo]

[quote name='1/28/01' post='97999' date='Dec 3 2008, 10:21 PM']Just like Jamie Sharper, Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adalius Thomas etc - Scott is a product of his envirnment.

We are known for making LB's better than they really are. These players leave us and they're never the same.

We have enough LB's in the wing (McClain, Barnes etc) that can replace Scott.

WE NEED LEWIS AND SUGGS!!!!

Sorry Scott[/quote]


First of all, I agree 100%

Secondly, you have the best name on the forum! :jealous:

[RoflDogs]

I think our third priority after ray and suggs is JASON BROWN

this guys is a tank..... if we don't lock him long term we are messing up a very young, good O-line

[1/28/01]

[quote name='flynismo' post='98002' date='Dec 3 2008, 10:30 PM']First of all, I agree 100%

Secondly, you have the best name on the forum! :jealous:[/quote]

Thanks........spent a good 15 minutes thinking about what name would be best!!

[tctony]

[quote name='1/28/01' post='97999' date='Dec 3 2008, 10:21 PM']Just like Jamie Sharper, Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adalius Thomas etc - Scott is a product of his envirnment.

We are known for making LB's better than they really are. These players leave us and they're never the same.

We have enough LB's in the wing (McClain, Barnes etc) that can replace Scott.

WE NEED LEWIS AND SUGGS!!!!

Sorry Scott[/quote]

I dunno. Sharper got dumped onto the Texans, not the ideal position to be. Boulware was good, he didn't play anywhere else I don't think, so we can't really judge him. Hartwell I don't remember being outstanding. Thomas......what a beast.

However, I hate to admit it, but Scott is probably replaceable.

Antwaan Barnes looks like he'll be good, and we have Tavares Gooden waiting for his chance.

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='1/28/01' post='97999' date='Dec 3 2008, 10:21 PM']Just like Jamie Sharper, Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adalius Thomas etc - Scott is a product of his envirnment.

We are known for making LB's better than they really are. These players leave us and they're never the same.

We have enough LB's in the wing (McClain, Barnes etc) that can replace Scott.

WE NEED LEWIS AND SUGGS!!!!

Sorry Scott[/quote]
No way Boulware! That is one guy that was not a product of the system. He was an important cog in the system. At 255 pounds Boulware was a rare figure. He could speed rush or bull rush. Like Ray Lewis he was good when our defense was an also-ran.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravens1990' post='98029' date='Dec 3 2008, 11:12 PM']I dunno. Sharper got dumped onto the Texans, not the ideal position to be. Boulware was good, he didn't play anywhere else I don't think, so we can't really judge him. Hartwell I don't remember being outstanding. Thomas......what a beast.

However, I hate to admit it, but Scott is probably replaceable.

Antwaan Barnes looks like he'll be good, and we have Tavares Gooden waiting for his chance.[/quote]

Boulware only played 8 years, you are correct. Hartwell averaged about 90-100 tackles a year and had a handful of int's in 4 years or so.....not too bad. Thomas was a beat with us, no doubt. But his year with NE last year wasnt even close to his tenure with us.

Gooden is definitely another good one.....see ya on the other side Scott

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='98005' date='Dec 3 2008, 10:36 PM']I think our third priority after ray and suggs is JASON BROWN

this guys is a tank..... if we don't lock him long term we are messing up a very young, good O-line[/quote]

and right behind him is pro bowl worthy Sam Koch

[Shawn`]

I would love to see both Suggs and Scott, great players. But if we absolutely had to get rid of 1 or the other I would go with Scott.

[H8R]

McCrary was one of my favorite Ravens, and Peter was just as much a part of the start of our defensive dynasty as dare I say RAY.

[RavenFever]

[quote name='1/28/01' post='97999' date='Dec 3 2008, 10:21 PM']Just like Jamie Sharper, Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adalius Thomas etc - Scott is a product of his envirnment.

We are known for making LB's better than they really are. These players leave us and they're never the same.

We have enough LB's in the wing (McClain, Barnes etc) that can replace Scott.

WE NEED LEWIS AND SUGGS!!!!

Sorry Scott[/quote]

Totally agree!!

This team without Lewis wouldn't be the same. His influence goes far beyond the playing field. His impact on the sideline is just as important and NOBODY is able to get this team up like he does.

Suggs is an animal (all respect intended)!! We should definately keep him.

[Macadamia]

Brown and Suggs are absolute MUST keeps! RayRay isn't going anywhere. So I agree Bad Bart is the odd man out, unfortunately. I wish him well and sure as HELL hope he doesn't end up in our division; I hate it when that happens. As for the remainder of our unrestricted and restricted free agents, I'd also like to keep Jim Leonhard and Dawan Landry. The rest I can take or leave personally as they are either getting up there in years, hurt all the time, or never really contribute much.

[MKdave]

[quote name='1/28/01' post='97999' date='Dec 4 2008, 03:21 AM']We have enough LB's in the wing (McClain, Barnes etc) that can replace Scott.[/quote]

McClain and Barnes play Suggs' position. We have no one that has proved that they can play inside linebacker at a high level other than Ray and Bart. We also have Edgar Jones that is a tremedous athlete that can play OLB but not ILB. I think that the way we utilize outside linebackers, we can draft any decent athlete and they'll excel in this system on the edge. Inside is a different story. Tavares Gooden might be good there, but we can't say that with an iota of certainty.

Suggs is more replacable than Scott.

[heapitup247]

[quote name='1/28/01' post='97999' date='Dec 3 2008, 10:21 PM']Just like Jamie Sharper, Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adalius Thomas etc - Scott is a product of his envirnment.

We are known for making LB's better than they really are. These players leave us and they're never the same.

We have enough LB's in the wing (McClain, Barnes etc) that can replace Scott.

WE NEED LEWIS AND SUGGS!!!!

Sorry Scott[/quote]

I dont think alot of people appreciate how good Bart Scott really is. Hes a playmaker and, while he hasnt statistically put up big numbers, hes there. He makes takles and he plays coverage. McClain and Barnes wont be the player Bart Scott is. I dont see why we cant shell out the 5 million Bart would want in order to keep our current #2 defense. If it aint broke, dont fix it. Lets not get rid of people because we think hes "replaceable." You dont know what you got till its gone, and i think thats exactly what would happen. We didnt see it with Adalius because we had jarett johnson who was already a good player and contributor. I dont see barnes or mcclain doing a hell of a lot besides pass rushing. theres more to playing linebacker. Plus, I like Bart Scotts swagger. Not that thats a reason, but id love to see him around next year and beyond that.

[justifythegame]

Guarantee, we keep Jason Brown - has replaced JO as the leader of the OL, and you can't just take that away from a group of inexperienced guys.

I read on NFL.com last month Ray Lewis is inking a 5-year deal that will help the team fork over a mammoth signing bonus and yet not strap the team salary-cap wise through 2013.

Suggs contract is still up in the air, his agent says they failed to get a deal done because Suggs want to [u][b]be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.[/b][/u] That means he wants more money than Dwight Freeney/Jared Allen. And even those guys are not worth their contracts. Suggs is one of the most valuable pieces to this defense, but at the same time-he would not be as good [b]without[/b] this defense. No player is worth that much money, and signing him to that much would cost the ravens their ability to resign other players and FAs in the future. To top it off, we are have 2nd worst cap problem in the NFL. He is not even the best player on the team, i know [b]at least two players[/b] on the team that are better. If Suggs cares about the team and will be reasonable (which i doubt because he files a grievance against the ravens for more money) like other players in the past (Bart Scott, Lewis etc), we will resign him. If his demands are the same he's hitting FA (i personally prefer we sign him and ship his @ss back to Arizona for Anquan Boldin).

Bart Scott's future depends on Suggs future with the team. He is a fantastic player, but we did not invest a draft pick in him and he is easily replaceable. I expect Tavares Gooden (Miami...Ray Lewis clone?) to take his starting spot whether he is on the team or not in the future.

If a WR is drafted in the first round next year, i think Mark Clayton or Demetrius Williams could be gone. I hope we resign Clayton, i think he is first round material, but he needs to be used like Steve Smith in order to be effective (which the ravens hardly ever do).

Dawan Landry's status is a question mark as well. He is almost pro bowl material when it comes to stopping the run, but his coverage skills need more work to become a completely bro powl caliber player. The Ravens have drafted Zibby, Nakamura, and Leonhard has been a huge surprise out of FA. Again i think a lot of signings depend on whether Suggs signs or not.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='K-Dog' post='97944' date='Dec 3 2008, 09:24 PM']Suggs has well proven his value as a player.[/quote]

but not agianst elite teams of "importance" although miami isn't doing too bad. i wouldnt expect them to be 7-5 right now for sure.

[Corvus]

[quote name='DTenGil' post='97816' date='Dec 3 2008, 03:03 PM']coming down the stretch with all the Raven's success, I haven't heard much, if anything at all, about the futures of Suggs, Scott, and Lewis. Wasn't one of the key goals to get Sizzle signed up for the near future? Signing him to a long term deal would free up the franchise tag. Slap the tag on Lewis for next year, and we might be able to sign Scott and hang onto all three of them. any thoughts?[/quote]

Near future means after the season. I can't really ever think of a time when a team resigned a player in the middle of the season. Not sure how Ray would like being slapped with a franchise tag after all of the time, blood, sweat, and tears he has put into the Baltimore Ravens. My guess is that we definitely resign Suggs to a big deal and Ray will get something like a 2 to 3 year contract considering his age.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='MKdave' post='98668' date='Dec 5 2008, 06:55 PM']McClain and Barnes play Suggs' position. We have no one that has proved that they can play inside linebacker at a high level other than Ray and Bart. We also have Edgar Jones that is a tremedous athlete that can play OLB but not ILB. I think that the way we utilize outside linebackers, we can draft any decent athlete and they'll excel in this system on the edge. Inside is a different story. Tavares Gooden might be good there, but we can't say that with an iota of certainty.

Suggs is more replacable than Scott.[/quote]
I agree, just wrote a whole big post about this in another thread lol, but we dont have great depth at MLB, its at OLB and Scott will come waaaayyyyyy cheaper then Suggs this year and is a strong force in the middle, he can stop any RB and can cover with the best of them usually. I know were all impressed with what Suggs has done this year, but Scott is more vital to the System given the depth and needs for next year.

The only thing that would change this imo would be selecting Ray Maualuga or Larunitus first round, but I doubt they fall to us and we pick them.

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

Not the linebacker from USC!! he's a no good cheap shotting product of the defense! Laurenitus is going to be a big time player maybe a replacement for Ray if he has a couple years under Ray's belt?

Tag suggs and trade him for Boldin? Scott is a great economy player lol Maryland should also give Ray Lewis Heap-like endorsements to give him some money he might want

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

How many of the 6 safties are we keeping??? Stone and Landry i could see not being here next year. No offense to Landry a great player

[52Kia Kaha92]

No way we let go Landry, hes a great player and worth every scent, when Ray retires hell be the leader of the defence IMO, he was turning into a leader in traing camp and is turning into a great safety,

Anyway would people please get over us trading for Anquain Boldin, it aint happening!

I would also love to draft Rey Maualuga as hes so physical and would be great in our 3-4 scheme. WE could then have Gooden and Maualuga for the next 10 years.

I want this to happen

- Resign T-Sizzle to a 5 year deal
- resign Ray to a 3 year deal full of bonuses so doesnt crush cap
- cut McAlister

We should have the cap to do this and now we can use the extra dough to sign a playmaker for Flacco.

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

Honestly i see more potential in Barnes then Suggs. Plus keeping Suggs to through out on the market as a trade would mean big money players coming in