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hgh testing....


Not sure if you're just joking but perhaps you're saying that because of the testing them no one is using and therefore getting hurt? Hmmmm
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Did anyone bring up MIA WR DeAndre Hopkins got a concussion yesterday?  Yet another blow to their passing game.

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Champ Bailey's ankle sprain is serious and could take "weeks" to heal. That pretty much says he won't play in Week 1.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/266657/report-champ-baileys-foot-sprain-serious

 

Also Houston may be in trouble as Arian Foster's status for week one as Foster is dealing with back and calf issues.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/266660/arian-fosters-week-1-availability-in-doubt

 

As for Foster, I'll believe it when I see it.  He'll suit up week 1.  I bet him and Kubiak have an agreement for him to sit out TC since he had such a heavy load last year.  

 

There seem to be an amazing amount of injuries right now.

 

Seems like everyone who got injured this weekend (besides Keller) dodged bigger injuries yesterday.

 

Did anyone bring up MIA WR DeAndre Hopkins got a concussion yesterday?  Yet another blow to their passing game.

 

Doesn't sound like a major one.  He's had a good camp and learned the playbook, so he should be good to go at the latest by week 1.  

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Not sure if you're just joking but perhaps you're saying that because of the testing them no one is using and therefore getting hurt? Hmmmm

sort of twisting the knife but it raises eyebroes. Obv an injury like keller got would happen either way but others maybe could be linked
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Did anyone bring up MIA WR DeAndre Hopkins got a concussion yesterday?  Yet another blow to their passing game.

Hopkins plays for the HOU Texans not the MIA Dolphins. 

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Dustin Keller tore his acl mcl and Pcl and dislocated his kneecap

My dear god...


It's really tough to imagine.

For you medical guys. Is it even possible to recover from this to the point of playing pro football again?!?
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Dustin Keller tore his acl mcl and Pcl and dislocated his kneecap

My dear god...

Heard on Mike & Mike a great statement. DJ Swearinger said he didn't want to go after his legs, but that's what happens in this league where Goodell has referees flagging you for everything in the vicinity of the numbers. He also said that a guy can come back in the event of a concussion whereas it's very difficult to come back from a knee injury.

 

Very very poignant statement.

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Don't want to make up a whole new thread dedicated to Von Miller, but he could in fact miss more time than originally planned: http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9581214/von-miller-denver-broncos-likely-get-6-game-ban


Good thing since there are already 3 threads. This one is still open for discussion:

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/53461-von-miller-facing-4-game-suspension-for-violating-drug-policy/#entry1519611
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Heard on Mike & Mike a great statement. DJ Swearinger said he didn't want to go after his legs, but that's what happens in this league where Goodell has referees flagging you for everything in the vicinity of the numbers. He also said that a guy can come back in the event of a concussion whereas it's very difficult to come back from a knee injury.
 
Very very poignant statement.


What's the alternative? Don't flag the headshots and continue getting sued by former players, keep scaring people from the game, have players blame their financial/behavioral problems on head trauma, and (heaven forbid) a couple more suicides? The leagues between a rock and a hard place on the issue. At least they're being proactive and confronting the issue instead of pushing it under the rug as they did for decades.

DJ Swearinger would also like to ask for prays to Justin Keller... smh

https://twitter.com/JungleBoi_Swagg/status/368948386746990593
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What's the alternative? Don't flag the headshots and continue getting sued by former players, keep scaring people from the game, have players blame their financial/behavioral problems on head trauma, and (heaven forbid) a couple more suicides? The leagues between a rock and a hard place on the issue. At least they're being proactive and confronting the issue instead of pushing it under the rug as they did for decades.

DJ Swearinger would also like to ask for prays to Justin Keller... smh

https://twitter.com/JungleBoi_Swagg/status/368948386746990593

Safer Helmets - I saw a segment on ESPN where an outsider claimed the helmets weren't as safe as they could be. I don't know if the guy was right, but it begs the question as to whether they have explored all possibilities.

 

They also have to re-think the in-game approach. A guy just got his knee blown apart in 3 different ways. I think there is a lot of merit to what Swearinger is saying regardless of whether he knows the opposing players name. I can't remember if it was the AFC Championship game where Ray Lewis got the UR or PF call for hitting Aaron Hernandez. Replays show that Hernandez clearly lowered his helmet while Ray was in perfect position. I think that's what Swearinger is referring to. Same thing happens when Ed Reed hits one of the Steelers in the regular season game and gets flagged for the "same penalty", then gets suspended for a game, only to later get a letter from Ted Cottrell overruling the suspension but still fining him.

 

The defensive players have made adjustments. In the Mike & Mike segment they reference a James Harrison hit on Eric Decker in the playoffs. Harrison has to chose - do I hit this guy in the numbers where there's a 90% chance I get flagged, or do I hit this guy in the legs where there's a 55% chance I can end his season.

 

To your point about the lawsuits, the NFL has not ever done the right thing with players. They rush guys back from injuries. Players know that their paycheck is not guaranteed. There are questions as to what the league knew about head trauma. While they are being proactive, it can be argued they aren't going about it the best way. They are trying to save themselves. The solution can't be about the lesser of 2 evils and then the problem is "solved"

 

Also - I've heard 2 personalities suggest Goodell has gone "too far" with the way they are addressing the issue. DBs are not used to form tackling big tight ends and most aren't strong enough so if they can't hit you up top, they are coming after your legs with their shoulder. It is what it is whether any of us like or dislike

 

Tangent: similar argument could be made regarding Goodell's desire for 18 games. Where's the safety in giving players more opportunity to get injured?

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Safer Helmets - I saw a segment on ESPN where an outsider claimed the helmets weren't as safe as they could be. I don't know if the guy was right, but it begs the question as to whether they have explored all possibilities.


Undoubtedly they are. That's something to talk to Riddell about, they're the official NFL outfitter for helmets. There's a ton of new technology and equipment coming into the game because of concussion research.
 

They also have to re-think the in-game approach. A guy just got his knee blown apart in 3 different ways. I think there is a lot of merit to what Swearinger is saying regardless of whether he knows the opposing players name. I can't remember if it was the AFC Championship game where Ray Lewis got the UR or PF call for hitting Aaron Hernandez. Replays show that Hernandez clearly lowered his helmet while Ray was in perfect position. I think that's what Swearinger is referring to. Same thing happens when Ed Reed hits one of the Steelers in the regular season game and gets flagged for the "same penalty", then gets suspended for a game, only to later get a letter from Ted Cottrell overruling the suspension but still fining him.

The defensive players have made adjustments. In the Mike & Mike segment they reference a James Harrison hit on Eric Decker in the playoffs. Harrison has to chose - do I hit this guy in the numbers where there's a 90% chance I get flagged, or do I hit this guy in the legs where there's a 55% chance I can end his season.


Players said this when it came out and perhaps so but I think the NFL is a lot more concerned with the relatively unknown, longer-lasted effects on brain trauma. If not for safety, then just for financial reasons. Can't sue the NFL for getting your knee blown out but you can sue them for undermining research into concussion-related trauma. Head/neck injuries are generally a lot more severe than knees.

I don't think James Harrison is the poster child for those adjustments. He's just moving his kill shots a little further south. The real emphasis the NFL is trying to make is on form tackling - wrapping up, hitting the target with your shoulder pads not your helmet. The "Heads Up" campaign or whatever they call it.

Swearinger did the same thing. Kill shot to the knee. Legal but not what the NFL wants by any means.

I figure I don't need to remind people of Brandon Meriweather but here goes. Kill shot to the head of Todd Heap (along with launching). Really, one of the hits that started the ball rolling on all this head trauma.

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Along with good ole' buddy Harrison. Kill shot to the head of Josh Cribbs.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/10/james-harrison-knocks-out-browns-cribbs-massaquoi-video-animated-gifs/#axzz2cRWwvl7n

Swearinger and Harrison are doing basically the same thing, only a few feet lower. Kill shot to the knees instead of the head.

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The league would rather go back to wrap-up tackling which is infinitely safer than kill shots - although most of the time not as cool. Injuries are going to happen but, in my opinion, I think the NFL would rather see understandable, treatable injuries (knees) than the relatively unknown, longer-lasting head ones.
 

To your point about the lawsuits, the NFL has not ever done the right thing with players. They rush guys back from injuries. Players know that their paycheck is not guaranteed. There are questions as to what the league knew about head trauma. While they are being proactive, it can be argued they aren't going about it the best way. They are trying to save themselves. The solution can't be about the lesser of 2 evils and then the problem is "solved"

 
That's why the new precautions of 'if you have concussion-like symptoms, you're pulled from any game/practice' except now the teams are trying to skirt that - see Hines Ward's "neck injury" or the Colt McCoy controversy.

Of course the league is just about money and branding. If it didn't hurt their bottom line, the league would not change the game and let these massive men headbutt each other into submission. The 'trouble' only started once the players turned around and filed lawsuits.

The NFL is taking the most direct approach (not the best) in trying to eliminate these head injuries. It's about their bottom line, that's something the NFL does not trifle with.
 

Tangent: similar argument could be made regarding Goodell's desire for 18 games. Where's the safety in giving players more opportunity to get injured?


That has nothing to do with safety - it's all money. Again, Goodell's name is dragged up but he is only the voice. The owners desire a longer season to rake in more cash.

edit - sorry for the long post, but I threw in some pictures :)
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What's the alternative? Don't flag the headshots and continue getting sued by former players, keep scaring people from the game, have players blame their financial/behavioral problems on head trauma, and (heaven forbid) a couple more suicides? The leagues between a rock and a hard place on the issue. At least they're being proactive and confronting the issue instead of pushing it under the rug as they did for decades.

DJ Swearinger would also like to ask for prays to Justin Keller... smh

https://twitter.com/JungleBoi_Swagg/status/368948386746990593

The alternative is a smarter assessment of helmet-to-helmet and a smarter assessment of "defenseless receiver". You can't tell the offensive player he has the opportunity to react and then tell the defensive player he doesn't have the same opportunity to react.

 

You made a pretty big stretch in the potential backlash. That's the easy way out that the league is taking. That's the lip service they are giving. It is a dangerous sport. You will get injured. Ask Brett Favre and Peyton Manning.

 

The league slipped up in the past - how much did you know about head trauma? And the response to that question was not to make responsible changes, but rather make really really over the top drastic changes that have some unexpected backlashes that they have no clue how to address (like the "kill shot" to the knees that you reference).

 

Policemen and firefighters don't sue their municipality. Boxers and MMA fighters don't sue their governing bodies either.

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Safer Helmets - I saw a segment on ESPN where an outsider claimed the helmets weren't as safe as they could be. I don't know if the guy was right, but it begs the question as to whether they have explored all possibilities.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook-110719_virginia_tech_helmet_study&sportCat=nfl

 

http://www.sbes.vt.edu/nid.php

 

I hit on that and said my piece in another thread, but there are some articles on some helmets not being up to par.  It's interesting to see that Riddell stopped making the VSR4, which was their best selling helmet and I believe was the league standard, considering Virginia Tech's rating system gave it only 1 star.  Again, some players who had concussion problems like Aaron Rodgers, and I believe Desean Jackson did as well, have not had problems since switching helmets.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook-110719_virginia_tech_helmet_study&sportCat=nfl

 

http://www.sbes.vt.edu/nid.php

 

I hit on that and said my piece in another thread, but there are some articles on some helmets not being up to par.  It's interesting to see that Riddell stopped making the VSR4, which was their best selling helmet and I believe was the league standard, considering Virginia Tech's rating system gave it only 1 star.  Again, some players who had concussion problems like Aaron Rodgers, and I believe Desean Jackson did as well, have not had problems since switching helmets.

Cheers.

 

Thank God for academia. Only thing is that these sorts of studies should have been spearheaded by the league and not a university. How on earth could a partner be selling a product for so long, and it's not up to par.

 

I appreciate some of the changes that the league has made. I really do. But when players say we have to err on the side of pre-caution, even though that pre-caution has a higher probability of career-ending injury, that's a bigger problem and that's probably when you're legitimately "scaring people from the game"

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Pretty funny watching Darren Sharper say 'you never want to see anyone get hurt' on NFLN. ummm bounty program?
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Pretty funny watching Darren Sharper say 'you never want to see anyone get hurt' on NFLN. ummm bounty program?


Ha, too good.
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Safer Helmets - I saw a segment on ESPN where an outsider claimed the helmets weren't as safe as they could be. I don't know if the guy was right, but it begs the question as to whether they have explored all possibilities.

 

There are a couple different manufacturers (2 or 3) that make concussion resistant helmets.  The NFL does not, I repeat, does NOT require the players to wear them.  So guess what?  Nobody in the NFL wears them.  Why?  Because they look different.

 

If the NFL were serious about this, why in the world wouldn't they require these helmets to be worn?  I'm pretty sure it's a requirement at the high school level, probably not college though.

 

Anyone else read TMQ (Tuesday Morning QB)?  Gregg Easterbrook is the author, he was on NFL.com last year.  Anyway, it was one of his articles that I read about this.  It was during last season, or the previous season.

If I find some time to kill, I'll try to go through his archive and post a link to it.

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There are a couple different manufacturers (2 or 3) that make concussion resistant helmets.  The NFL does not, I repeat, does NOT require the players to wear them.  So guess what?  Nobody in the NFL wears them.  Why?  Because they look different.

 

If the NFL were serious about this, why in the world wouldn't they require these helmets to be worn?  I'm pretty sure it's a requirement at the high school level, probably not college though.

 

Anyone else read TMQ (Tuesday Morning QB)?  Gregg Easterbrook is the author, he was on NFL.com last year.  Anyway, it was one of his articles that I read about this.  It was during last season, or the previous season.

If I find some time to kill, I'll try to go through his archive and post a link to it.

Thank you. They are so full of it. Again, I appreciate the rules on guidance on the new strike zone and no launching yourself, but the administration of it - specifically helmet to helmet and defenseless receiver is just a bunch of mularkey. But what else is to be said that hasn't already been said

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What's the alternative? Don't flag the headshots and continue getting sued by former players, keep scaring people from the game, have players blame their financial/behavioral problems on head trauma, and (heaven forbid) a couple more suicides? The leagues between a rock and a hard place on the issue. At least they're being proactive and confronting the issue instead of pushing it under the rug as they did for decades.

DJ Swearinger would also like to ask for prays to Justin Keller... smh

https://twitter.com/JungleBoi_Swagg/status/368948386746990593

Thoughts on the fine for this hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kD6h4tPNCk

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easternshore97, on 21 Aug 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:
Thoughts on the fine for this hit

From what I saw: he hit the receiver in the head with his head.
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