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[SecretAgentMan]

I'll take Wall all day everyday over Kyrie. He plays a much more well rounded game despite his shooting woes.

Same here.

[flaccopoe]

I'll take Conley any day...

I'll take the PG that controls the floor and plays defense.. And can stay healthy

 

Duly noted, Grizzlies Fanatic. :p

[SecretAgentMan]

To be fair, Wall's several years older than Irving.

Two years is such a long time....

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Young, but very capable. The only bright side to CHA's season.

Bismack(somewhat), Kemba, and Jeff Taylor were all bright spots. But I love MKG!

[SecretAgentMan]

I'll take Conley any day...

I'll take the PG that controls the floor and plays defense.. And can stay healthy

Agree 100%

[codizzle]

Duly noted, Grizzlies Fanatic. :p

I think it's more old school basketball fan but you are correct ha

[SecretAgentMan]

All I know is CLE would  be basically winless without his leadership.

And 76ers would've been the front runner for the #1 pick without Holliday.

 

I can play this all day

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

I know it doesn't matter too much but he wasn't the youngest player... MKG was the youngest player in the NBA.

i know it might not matter much but you are up in the nfl draft... and the others are not getting any younger lol

[flaccopoe]

 

Same here.

 
In his rookie year, Irving scored 419 more pt and had just 13 less ast.  They both missed a comparable number of games, too.

[SecretAgentMan]

 
 
In his rookie year, Irving scored 419 more pt and had just 13 less ast.  They both missed a comparable number of games, too.

Scoring isn't everything...

[SecretAgentMan]

Conley is a better defender as well.

[codizzle]

Conley is a better defender as well.

Million times better

[flaccopoe]

 

Two years is such a long time....

Yep. Experience is key, as you preached to me earlier. :P 

[flaccopoe]

 

Scoring isn't everything...

 
I know, that's why I included the ast stat.

[flaccopoe]

 

Bismack(somewhat), Kemba, and Jeff Taylor were all bright spots. But I love MKG!

 
Did you know he and Irving played together in high school?

[SecretAgentMan]

 

Yep. Experience is key, as you preached to me earlier. :P

One year more in the NBA....

 

I guess Wall is ancient at this point. Those Wizards should look to get rid of him

[flaccopoe]

Irving also has a higher effiency rating (20) than Wall (19.3). He's rabked at # overall in PG EFF.

[flaccopoe]

 

One year more in the NBA....
 
I guess Wall is ancient at this point. Those Wizards should look to get rid of him

 
2 more years in college/NBA. Irving's already better than him, so imagine how much better he'll be in a couple more seasons.

[SecretAgentMan]

 
 
2 more years in college/NBA. Irving's already better than him, so imagine how much better he'll be in a couple more seasons.

But he's not better than him.

 

The only things Irving is better at is shooting. Wall is better in every other aspect.

His all around game is much better

[flaccopoe]

 

But he's not better than him.
 
The only things Irving is better at is shooting. Wall is better in every other aspect.
His all around game is much better

 
This is opinion. Wall rebounds slightly more; Irving has slightly less TOs. Irving has a slightly better EFF rating. Both have a pretty low AST ratio. Irving plays slightly more MPG. Wall is a better dribbler/driver.

[flaccopoe]

Could we discuss my other players now, lol?

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Could we discuss my other players now, lol?

do you have any other players then? lol...

[SecretAgentMan]

do you have any other players then? lol...

 

 

[Geving]

You might not bet on it but in a winning environment, on a team with more established players, I think Jennings would improve his decision-making and become a better player. 

 

He didn't just go to Italy to earn money (not sure why anyone would hold that against a young guy trying to take care of his family), he gained valuable experience playing against other pro players. Of course the Bucks weren't going to match his ridiculous demands but he's not the first nor will he be the last player to have an over-inflated sense of worth come free agency. I don't need Jennings to be Westbrook to field a quality team. 

 

There's going to drama within any team that has multiple capable scorers. Considering how stacked a lot of teams are, my team wouldn't be the only one to suffer this.  Regardless, I don't believe Jennings taking a backseat to Durant and West would be that big of an issue. Unlike those two and other players on my team like Billups and Pierce, he's won nothing, nor has he come close. Hypothetically, he would be phased out if he cause trouble and shipped off. Again, I've got another high-upside PG in Bledsoe. 

You could learn just as much basketball by playing in a top college as in Italy. More in my mind. It doesn't sit well with me, because it tells me something about priorities. He was a number one recruit, he was going to make millions very soon anyways. And he chose money before education. Now he wants top dollar. And by watching him play, it seems he cares more about numbers and being in the spotlight than winning and playing sound basketball.

 

No, I don't think so. Because some players come off as selfish players, while a lot of stars are unselfish with the basketball. So I don't think there will be drama with any team that has multiple scorers. I just think you picked the wrong scorer, and he will be a cancer to your team.

I've said my piece on Jennings. We obviously have different opinions on him, so to each his own.

[Geving]

How would you assess Snell, Hardaway and Gobert in Summer League?

I followed Hardaway closely this past season, and while I think he has a good motor that will work in his favor and decent athleticism. I think he will struggle to be any more than a rotational guy. He struggles to create his own shot, but he has a lot of room to improve. He also needs to get quicker. Gobert has looked decent imo, using that length to protect the rim and grab some boards. But he's a major project. I wouldn't count on him contributing in the NBA anytime soon.

I haven't watched Snell in the summer league.

But you got Olynyk right? He has looked very good. I think you might have hit on him. In the games I watched, he stood out.

But I don't really like this draft class. And I don't have any big favorites like I've had in almost any previous year.

[Ed_Reed20]

You could learn just as much basketball by playing in a top college as in Italy. More in my mind. It doesn't sit well with me, because it tells me something about priorities. He was a number one recruit, he was going to make millions very soon anyways. And he chose money before education. Now he wants top dollar. And by watching him play, it seems he cares more about numbers and being in the spotlight than winning and playing sound basketball.

 

No, I don't think so. Because some players come off as selfish players, while a lot of stars are unselfish with the basketball. So I don't think there will be drama with any team that has multiple scorers. I just think you picked the wrong scorer, and he will be a cancer to your team.

I've said my piece on Jennings. We obviously have different opinions on him, so to each his own.

 

How much do you know about Jennings that you want to talk about the guy's priorities? How do know taking care of his mother, who raised him and his half-brother after their father committed suicide when they were young, didn't factor in his decision to make money a year early, while also gaining professional experience. Of course he might have refined his game even more at college, but saying he turned his back on education is a farce when so many big-time student-athletes clearly don't focus on their academics. It's an even bigger joke considering the NBA's ridiculous policy of forcing players to attend college for at least one year (or play overseas like Jennings did). 

 

He obviously doesn't play winning basketball but I won't say he doesn't he care about winning. Hundreds of players have gone through the league that had the drive to win but attempted to do it through hero-ball. Even MJ was in that bracket early in his career. 

 

He'll be a "cancer to my team"? :lol: Fair enough. Like I've reiterated, I've got options. 

[-Truth-]

Young, but very capable.  The only bright side to CHA's season.

 

Kemba Walker.

[Geving]

How much do you know about Jennings that you want to talk about the guy's priorities? How do know taking care of his mother, who raised him and his half-brother after their father committed suicide when they were young, didn't factor in his decision to make money a year early, while also gaining professional experience. Of course he might have refined his game even more at college, but saying he turned his back on education is a farce when so many big-time student-athletes clearly don't focus on their academics. It's an even bigger joke considering the NBA's ridiculous policy of forcing players to attend college for at least one year (or play overseas like Jennings did). 

 

He obviously doesn't play winning basketball but I won't say he doesn't he care about winning. Hundreds of players have gone through the league that had the drive to win but attempted to do it through hero-ball. Even MJ was in that bracket early in his career. 

 

He'll be a "cancer to my team"? :lol: Fair enough. Like I've reiterated, I've got options. 

I don't know Jennings at all. Neither do you. Like I said in my previous post, he was going to make millions soon anyways, now he wants top dollar and seem to be all about the flash, spotlight, numbers and the money again. Maybe he went overseas with his only motivation was to take care of his family, but the other facts makes me believe otherwise. Yes, the rule is a farce, I agree. But it just adds to my opinion about him. How many other players go overseas to get money before going to the NBA instead of at least starting on a degree that you could finish later and get the value of playing for a top college team against other top college players. Which I think is more beneficial than playing overseas btw. And yes, my impression on him and his play makes me believe he's a cancer, and would be exactly that on your team. 

Are we done now? I really think we are just making the same statements now, that we did in the first posts about him.

[CalvinSmoke]

I felt robbed at first but I think your assessed the team well. They can certainly win games with their balance but it's definitely a team more geared for a future push and not so much a contender right now. Well done. (though my bench is underated :-))

[SecretAgentMan]

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