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[Gordo52]

Battier's shooting prowess has gone down significantly the past season. He also fouls way too often. The culmination of this was that he rarely played in the Finals. He was a liability, so Spoelstra leaned on Andersen.

Benefitting from LeBron, Battier was a key component to the Heat's success. Last year he had a career high in 3P % in the regular season. Stats don't tell the whole story though. What he does best doesn't show up on the stat sheet. He played a good amount of minutes last year, It dwindled down towards the end of the playoffs because of mismatches against the pacers where Anderson was a better option against. But he came up huge in game 7 of the finals.

[flaccopoe]

Benefitting from LeBron, Battier was a key component to the Heat's success. Last year he had a career high in 3P % in the regular season. Stats don't tell the whole story though. What he does best doesn't show up on the stat sheet. He played a good amount of minutes last year, It dwindled down towards the end of the playoffs because of mismatches against the pacers where Anderson was a better option against. But he came up huge in game 7 of the finals.

He's a good rotational guy when he isn't incessantly fouling, but you have him starting.

[Gordo52]

He's a good rotational guy when he isn't incessantly fouling, but you have him starting.

He's still spitting minutes though. Pull him around 5 mins into the game. Won't come back until around 5 minutes left into the 3rd which will average him around 22 mpg and keep him fresh. He averaged 24 last year.

[Gordo52]

And he didn't even foul that much really.

[flaccopoe]

He's still spitting minutes though. Pull him around 5 mins into the game. Won't come back until around 5 minutes left into the 3rd which will average him around 22 mpg and keep him fresh. He averaged 24 last year.

 

Why not just have him come off the bench?

[Gordo52]

Why not just have him come off the bench?

I rather have him on the court to start the game, lol. It doesn't really matter if he starts or not. He's going to play his minutes. In game Adjustments would be made for match ups but ideally I'd rather start with him and close with him.

[-Truth-]

Last post-season, Martin was 38% from the field, with 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg and .3 bpg.  This despite having his minutes increased and the disappearance of Westbrook.  I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm just saying I'd be a little worried about giving him a starting role.

 

I believe that he was more so questioning the term, "raw." With relation to sports, it's used to describe an inexperienced or underdeveloped player, which gabefergy disagreed with, considering that Kevin Martin is 30 and has started for many seasons. Martin definitely struggled in the Postseason, but I wouldn't use the .3 blocks as one of the barometers for judging his performance. SGs typically don't average over 1 block per contest, and that was actually higher than his season average.

[flaccopoe]

I believe that he was more so questioning the term, "raw." With relation to sports, it's used to describe an inexperienced or underdeveloped player, which gabefergy disagreed with, considering that Kevin Martin is 30 and has started for many seasons. Martin definitely struggled in the Postseason, but I wouldn't use the .3 blocks as one of the barometers for judging his performance. SGs typically don't average over 1 block per contest, and that was actually higher than his season average.

 

I relented that he could very well benfit from starting again, as he probably will in MIN.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

This is definitely a solid team. I love Jeff Green. He's been one of my favorite under-the-radar players for quite some time. Can score from the outside, finish at the cup, and proved to be a terrific defender last season. With Dwight Howard, Greg Monroe and Andrew Bynum, the battles on the glass should be a cinch. There's an obvious health concern with Bynum, but with him now manning the 6th man role, his playing time will be a pleasant surprise rather than a nail-biting experience. The depth of capable three point shooters will allow Tyreke Evans to work inside. The only downside at all that I see for the bigs is that between the last season of all five, Jordan Hill was the best mid-range shooter at just 34%. That being said, battling this unit in the paint will be no easy feat on its own. However, it does raise a concern with spacing. With Terrence Williams being the only player on the roster to shoot over 39.6% from the mid-range, who's unlikely to see over 10 minutes per contest, defensively, an opposing team could get away with leaving two defenders at the wings and crowding three bodies in the paint. This would be less of an issue if not for the lack of an established distributor. Evans' recent assist numbers can't be taken at face value, and Monroe is certainly an above average passer for his position. But all 6 players in the backcourt are scoring Guards. It makes me wonder whether that could potentially hold back the outstanding inside duo offensively. Aside from some questions regarding defense at the first two positions, those are my only concerns.

 

 

I think it would be a major mistake to leave only two guys on the wings against this team (maybe only if Tyreke is on the floor). I reject your idea that mid range shooting is a problem, as Williams shot 41% from 16-23 ft in his last full season, Jeff Green shot 51% from 16-23 ft in 2011 (he missed a season so 2 seasons ago for him), Martin shot 43% from 16-23 last year, and Gordon is around a 45% career mid range shooter though he did have a down year last year. Then when you add the above guys to Wright, Felton, Budinger, and Jimmer, 3 point shooting becomes very present. 

 

I agree that the lack of a pass first point guard is a concern. My intention if i could actually have this team take the floor is to run a Tommy Heinsohn type of offense to decrease the role of the PG, get the ball ahead in transition, and get the ball moving in and out of the post at a quick pace. Maybe sometimes put Green at the four, Williams/Felton at the 1, and Evans at the 2 for small ball to change it up. In crunch time my ball handlers would be Green and Williams, with Martin, Monroe, and Howard on the floor with them.

 

Perimeter defense is definitely a concern as well. 

 

 

Your interior is frightening. Howard is the best center in the league. Great pick & roll player on offense, not outstanding as a post up guy, and probably never will be. But people seem to forget how good he is on the offensive end in the pick & roll, and that he actually can score in the post too, even though he don't have a great touch and many post moves. The guy can can put up 20+ ppg, while being the best rebounder in the league and a great defender. 

I also love Monroe, I think he would work very well with Howard.

Bynum, while a very good player when he's actually healthy, probably won't see heavy minutes since you already have Howard. So he's a luxury. Much like Asik is in Houston right now.

Splitter is also a great guy off the bench.

 

Green is also a very good player. But I'm not a fan of your backcourt, Evans is a ball hog, and is at his best playing a good amount of minutes as a sixth man as scorer, creator as a 2 guard imo. I'd rather start Lou Williams at the point, and bring Evans off the bench actually.

I like your team, I actually like most teams that are drafted, lots of talent when there are only 20 teams lol.

But I think it's too front heavy. I know it's a great luxury having so many good bigs, but there are only so many minutes to go around, and you would like to have your best players on the floor for the majority of the time. So personally I would've gone in a different direction in round six, even though Bynum was good value at that point. Especially when your best player mans that position. I don't think Bynum and Howard would be effective on the floor together. It would clog the paint too much.

 

I originally had it as Williams at the 1, Evans at the 2, and KMart off of the bench as a 6th man for Evans. I see what you're saying about the big man rotation but I could not resist the idea of having at least Howard or Bynum on the floor all game. 

[-Truth-]

I think it would be a major mistake to leave only two guys on the wings against this team (maybe only if Tyreke is on the floor). I reject your idea that mid range shooting is a problem, as Williams shot 41% from 16-23 ft in his last full season, Jeff Green shot 51% from 16-23 ft in 2011 (he missed a season so 2 seasons ago for him), Martin shot 43% from 16-23 last year, and Gordon is around a 45% career mid range shooter though he did have a down year last year. Then when you add the above guys to Wright, Felton, Budinger, and Jimmer, 3 point shooting becomes very present.
 
I agree that the lack of a pass first point guard is a concern. My intention if i could actually have this team take the floor is to run a Tommy Heinsohn type of offense to decrease the role of the PG, get the ball ahead in transition, and get the ball moving in and out of the post at a quick pace. Maybe sometimes put Green at the four, Williams/Felton at the 1, and Evans at the 2 for small ball to change it up. In crunch time my ball handlers would be Green and Williams, with Martin, Monroe, and Howard on the floor with them.
 
Perimeter defense is definitely a concern as well.

 

I definitely meant with Tyreke on the floor. Which website are you using for the shooting percentages? I only ask because this is the second time we've had a significant disparity between our numbers. I'm seeing a 42.8% from '11-'12 for Williams, sandwiched in-between 38.2% from '10-'11 and 37.2% from '12-'13, 40.6% for Green from '10-'11 and 38.2% from '12-'13, and 39.6% for Kevin Martin from 2012-2013. Gordon did seemingly have a down season, as he was much more efficient in his previous campaigns. And I've acknowledged your stable of downtown shooters. With that in mind, the aforementioned numbers aren't porous, and I didn't intend on painting a picture of three players camping underneath the basket throughout the entire contest. Forgive me if I did. I'm just concerned that your lack of perimeter shooting among the bigs could make it easier to leak inside in certain schemes, given the scarcity of dependable and highly efficient shooters from the mid-range.

I'm not familiar with Heinsohn's system, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Though it does sound like Monroe would be a solid fit with the current scheme.

Agreed.

[flaccopoe]

I definitely meant with Tyreke on the floor. Which website are you using for the shooting percentages? I only ask because this is the second time we've had a significant disparity between our numbers. I'm seeing a 42.8% from '11-'12 for Williams, sandwiched in-between 38.2% from '10-'11 and 37.2% from '12-'13, 40.6% for Green from '10-'11 and 38.2% from '12-'13, and 39.6% for Kevin Martin from 2012-2013. Gordon did seemingly have a down season, as he was much more efficient in his previous campaigns. And I've acknowledged your stable of downtown shooters. With that in mind, the aforementioned numbers aren't porous, and I didn't intend on painting a picture of three players camping underneath the basket throughout the entire contest. Forgive me if I did. I'm just concerned that your lack of perimeter shooting among the bigs could make it easier to leak inside in certain schemes, given the scarcity of dependable and highly efficient shooters from the mid-range.

I'm not familiar with Heinsohn's system, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Though it does sound like Monroe would be a solid fit with the current scheme.

Agreed.

 

Gordon is definitely overpayed.

[Gordo52]

Gordon is definitely overpayed.

No I'm not.

[SecretAgentMan]

Corvus' team

David Stern's Evil Empire

Starting Lineup
One: Ty Lawson - PG - 2nd Round (34th)
Off: Stephen Curry - PG/SG - 1st Round (7th)
Three: Tobias Harris - SF/PF - 5th Round (87th)
Post: Paul Millsap - SF/PF - 4th Round (74th)

Five: Ömer Aşık - C - 3rd Round (47th)

 

Reserve Team
6th Man: Danny Green - SG/SF - 6th Round (114th)

Utility: Amir Johnson - PF/C - 7th Round (127th)

Low: Andray Blatche - PF/C - 8th Round (154th)

Range: J.J. Redick - SG - 9th Round (167th)

Big: Earl Clark - PF/C - 10th Round (191st)

Swing: Carlos Delfino - SG/SF - 11th Round (204th)

Combo: Ramon Sessions - PG/SG - 12th Round (229th)

Rookie: Shane Larkin - PG - 13th Round (242nd)

Uno: Jose Juan Barea - PG - 14th Round (265th)

Back: Jerryd Bayless - PG/SG - 15th Round (279th)

 

 

Coach: George Karl & Fastbreak Two Guard Offense

 

There are a lot of problems with this team. Your players don't go well together.

 

First, Lawson and Curry are both PGs. Curry isn't athletic enough to move to the two spot. Sure, it's going to get you a lot of points because of how Lawson can attack the paint, and Curry shoot, but I think you should move one to the bench.

 

Second off, the bench doesn't have enough scorers. You don't have an option that will get you 15 points a night off the bench. Green is a very good player, but not the guy who can single handedly help the bench with scoring not shooting.

 

Third off, too many shooters. Not enough big men. You have three people on the bench that can play PF, and you want them all to rotate into center.

 

Blacthe can do that, but the others cannot.  This team has too many guards and shooters, not enough overall presence in the paint....

 

Teams will be able to out rebound you, out play you scoring wise in the paint, and will have a bit of an easier time defending you because of it.

 

The team has great shooters, but if you're going to sit back all day and shoot three's than you're going to lose. Especially since you don't have great rebounders(depth wise, Asik is a great rebounder) to help you get the ball back.

 

 

Lack of big men and too many guards, and misusing two of them does not make me like this team.

[-Truth-]

Earl Clark is miscast in the D&R thread. He's an SF/PF. I'd personally argue that the combination of Stephen Curry and Ty Lawson could work, given that Golden State was successful when utilizing both Curry and Jarrett Jack in the same line up. In fact, their best offensive line up, one that averaged 119.3 points Per 48, had them at the one and two. The shooting capacity is lights out. But while Amir Johnson and Andre Blatche have upside, especially the former, it's difficult to get by with just 4 bigs on the roster. Ending the Draft with 4 straight PGs is unexpected, especially considering the amount of depth still present among the bigs at the time. A 3rd PF, like an Elton Brand, is more likely to be on the active roster than a 6th PG.

[flaccopoe]

 

Earl Clark is miscast in the D&R thread. He's an SF/PF. I'd personally argue that the combination of Stephen Curry and Ty Lawson could work, given that Golden State was successful when utilizing both Curry and Jarrett Jack in the same line up. In fact, their best offensive line up, one that averaged 119.3 points Per 48, had them at the one and two. The shooting capacity is lights out. But while Amir Johnson and Andre Blatche have upside, especially the former, it's difficult to get by with just 4 bigs on the roster. Ending the Draft with 4 straight PGs is unexpected, especially considering the amount of depth still present among the bigs at the time. A 3rd PF, like an Elton Brand, is more likely to be on the active roster than a 6th PG.

Should've drafted Mike Muscala! :P This team could also use another in-the-paint pro, like Andersen or Lopez.

[-Truth-]

 

Should've drafted Mike Muscala! :P This team could also use another in-the-paint pro, like Andersen or Lopez.

 

That they could, for sure.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

I definitely meant with Tyreke on the floor. Which website are you using for the shooting percentages? I only ask because this is the second time we've had a significant disparity between our numbers. I'm seeing a 42.8% from '11-'12 for Williams, sandwiched in-between 38.2% from '10-'11 and 37.2% from '12-'13, 40.6% for Green from '10-'11 and 38.2% from '12-'13, and 39.6% for Kevin Martin from 2012-2013. Gordon did seemingly have a down season, as he was much more efficient in his previous campaigns. And I've acknowledged your stable of downtown shooters. With that in mind, the aforementioned numbers aren't porous, and I didn't intend on painting a picture of three players camping underneath the basket throughout the entire contest. Forgive me if I did. I'm just concerned that your lack of perimeter shooting among the bigs could make it easier to leak inside in certain schemes, given the scarcity of dependable and highly efficient shooters from the mid-range.

I'm not familiar with Heinsohn's system, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Though it does sound like Monroe would be a solid fit with the current scheme.

Agreed.

Got ya.
I use Hoops-data for stats, though I'm thinking of buying a subscription to synergy next season

[-Truth-]

Got ya.
I use Hoops-data for stats, though I'm thinking of buying a subscription to synergy next season

 

Ah, I see. I personally use Vorped.com for the shooting stats. I've been to HoopData a handful of times. Solid site. lol Great minds think alike then, because I am as well. If you get your subscription before I get mine, could you please let me know if it's worth it? I'm assuming it is, but reassurance always helps.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Ah, I see. I personally use Vorped.com for the shooting stats. I've been to HoopData a handful of times. Solid site. lol Great minds think alike then, because I am as well. If you get your subscription before I get mine, could you please let me know if it's worth it? I'm assuming it is, but reassurance always helps.

 

Will do, I hear it's fantastic. 

[-Truth-]

Will do, I hear it's fantastic. 

 

Awesome. I bet and thank you.

[SecretAgentMan]

Tune Squad 



PG Jeff Teague
SG OJ Mayo 
SF Thaddeus Young 
PF Blake Griffin 
C Marc Gasol

6. SG Gordon Hayward
7. SF Danny granger
8. SF Tayshaun Prince
9. C Kosta Koufus
10. PG CJ Watson
11. SF Quincy Pondexter 
12. PF Darrell Arthur
13. PG Andre Miller
14. PG Steve Blake 
15. C Hamed Haddadi 

 

This team is good defensively. The interior should be hard to attack, and I like the veteran experience here. Blake Griffin and Mayo should provide some offense. Hayward and Granger both are steals on the bench.Problem is, I am not the biggest fan of your scorers. Nothing personal, but Mayo, Griffen, Granger, Hayward aren't exactly cream of the crop in scoring. Griffin is good, but the rest aren't superstars.

 

I do like this team as a whole though. It should be very successful. All are very solid scorers, which is what you need in this league. Plus good defense. 

[gabefergy]

Too many Grizzlies.

[flaccopoe]

Tune Squad 



PG Jeff Teague
SG OJ Mayo 
SF Thaddeus Young 
PF Blake Griffin 
C Marc Gasol

6. SG Gordon Hayward
7. SF Danny granger
8. SF Tayshaun Prince
9. C Kosta Koufus
10. PG CJ Watson
11. SF Quincy Pondexter 
12. PF Darrell Arthur
13. PG Andre Miller
14. PG Steve Blake 
15. C Hamed Haddadi 

 

This team is good defensively. The interior should be hard to attack, and I like the veteran experience here. Blake Griffin and Mayo should provide some offense. Hayward and Granger both are steals on the bench.Problem is, I am not the biggest fan of your scorers. Nothing personal, but Mayo, Griffen, Granger, Hayward aren't exactly cream of the crop in scoring. Griffin is good, but the rest aren't superstars.

 

I do like this team as a whole though. It should be very successful. All are very solid scorers, which is what you need in this league. Plus good defense. 

Is this dizzle's team?

[Mt. Crushmore]

Is this dizzle's team?

 

Yeah.

[codizzle]

Too many Grizzlies.

Hater

[codizzle]

Wanted to get a solid 2 but Blake was falling way too far so I took him instead..

Besides I think Indiana and Memphis this year proved a good team can make it pretty far even if they don't have a top scorer

[flaccopoe]

Damn, what happened to SAM?

[SecretAgentMan]

Damn, what happened to SAM?

I have a life and an essay to write....

 

I'm streaming Bon Jovi in the back..

 

Don't bother me

[flaccopoe]

I have a life and an essay to write....

 

I'm streaming Bon Jovi in the back..

 

Don't bother me

 

Why are you on the Board, then? :p

[Yatagarasu]

Don't you guys know?

Three guard offense is legit.